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The Vortex—Stolen Property
churchmilitant.com ^ | May 6, 2015 | Michael Voris

Posted on 07/09/2015 8:03:43 PM PDT by Morgana

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To: cothrige
a big 'ol bump-a-roony to what just said, FRiend.

Well stated.

This not aimed at you, but towards the often breathless near-mindlessness of "news" in general, and squabbling usually (except for when I'm asserting my own rights, even those given by God to all of us, if we could but gently grasp those without crushing, and distorting those, possibly harming ourselves and others in the process -- which last though not entirely prohibited is yet to be avoided as much as possible without surrendering the blessings);


61 posted on 07/11/2015 9:44:07 AM PDT by BlueDragon (don't ask me to think, I was hired for my looks)
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To: Elsie

I apologize, the tract implied Paul’s and Christ’s words from scripture supported the statement ‘that there would be a few ravenous wolves among Church leaders’. It uses scripture passages as a reference, when scripture doesn’t support that contention. It looks like the claim is made, scripture referenced, good to go, no one will ever check to see if scripture actually supports the contention just made. Scripture says neither ‘few’ nor that the wolves be ‘leaders’.


62 posted on 07/11/2015 11:16:27 AM PDT by xone
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To: boatbums
I never cease to be amazed at how some here can go on and on about “Catholic bashing” whenever there is even the slightest bit of disagreement on tenets of the Christian faith, yet never seem to recognize when they do the exact same thing against non-catholic Christians. Apparently, it’s not bashing when they insist ONLY Catholics believe the correct things.

Yes, followers of a sacred cow can trash competition but cannot tolerate imputation of fault to her.

63 posted on 07/11/2015 6:12:27 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned and destitute sinner+ trust Him to save you, then follow Him!)
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To: metmom
There was evil and inexcusable acts done by both sides and it’s always a power and control thing. And frequently, religion is used for the justification of it.

Yes, always very human motives, e.g. power, politics, etc, and when something can be used to support the action, especially religion, then it will be used. But, as we can see in the person of Henry VIII himself, when religion gets in the way, it is thrown aside and remade in a way which will no longer be a problem. Religion may matter to this or that person, but politics usually matters more.

And it’s WRONG when done by both sides, and both sides need to admit their own culpability in it.

Well, for me personally, I think everybody who did these things has been dead for ages, and their culpability went to the grave with them. I don't really care about culpability in things like the Inquisition, or Elizabeth I's actions, or whoever. They did nothing to me, and so that is that. I really only care about historical accuracy, and that usually means not looking to blame churches, since they rarely really do these things or drive them directly. Politics is the problem, then and now.

It is like the IRA. A while back, when that was all over the news, reporters and people would go on and on about the Catholics vs the Protestants. Complete crap. That had nothing to do with anything. It was Irish vs the English. The republican movement was, from very early on, multi-faith. Many significant Protestants were involved from the start. They wanted the English rulers out just as the Catholics did. Anyone remember Parnell?

If the tired old Catholic/Protestant hatred trope were really the truth then there would have been no wars between countries before the Reformation. Oops. Not quite. Plenty of Catholic kings have fought other Catholics, and some even fought on the side of Protestants later on. People go to war because they will get something out of it, and people persecute other people for the same reason. Governments, and other similar human organizations, just honestly have never been that pious, ever. Catholic kings and queens have been corrupt and warlike, and so have Protestants. As much as we want to think our churches just turn people around and make them perfect saints, and so any future conflict can only be some other group's fault, it just isn't true.

It is all political. That is what motivates kings and parliaments, not religion. And when it looks like religion that usually means some politician is using faith to justify what he wanted to do politically. So, we should stop blaming each other, and our mutual churches, and start blaming the politicians.

64 posted on 07/11/2015 6:50:58 PM PDT by cothrige
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To: onedoug

Worried about physical death more than spiritual?


65 posted on 07/12/2015 5:23:38 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: xone

It’s easy to make misteaks like this. I dew them all of the thyme.


66 posted on 07/12/2015 5:24:34 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

No.


67 posted on 07/12/2015 6:51:55 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: Elsie

“Why should Citizens in every country be taught to love the Lord and His Church every day. Why is it that some people do not love the Lord and do not study and obey the Magisterium? Because it’s a heresy?”

Good question. Yes, it is a mystery. The Blessed Mother asked the Lord to help with the wine. She seems to help with other tasks, too, such as help with faith and obedience. Perhaps the failure to say the rosary leads to the failure to acknowledge the Lord and to appreciate His cool Church which blows away every other church and religion in terms of science, art and missionary work.


68 posted on 07/12/2015 11:02:44 PM PDT by Falconspeed ("Keep your fears to yourself, but share your courage with others." Robert Louis Stevenson (1850-94))
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To: Falconspeed
The Blessed Mother asked the Lord to help with the wine.

No; she did not.

This teaching of Rome is NOWHERE to be found in the BIBLE Rome assembled.


Behold; the entire account...
 
 
 
 
 
John 2 Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)

1 And the third day, there was a marriage in Cana of Galilee: and the mother of Jesus was there.

And Jesus also was invited, and his disciples, to the marriage.

And the wine failing, the mother of Jesus  saith to him: They have no wine.

And Jesus saith to her: Woman, what is that to me and to thee? my hour is not yet come.

His mother saith to the waiters: Whatsoever he shall say to you, do ye.

Now there were set there six waterpots of stone, according to the manner of the purifying of the Jews, containing two or three measures apiece.

Jesus saith to them: Fill the waterpots with water. And they filled them up to the brim.

And Jesus saith to them: Draw out now, and carry to the chief steward of the feast. And they carried it.

And when the chief steward had tasted the water made wine, and knew not whence it was, but the waiters knew who had drawn the water; the chief steward calleth the bridegroom,

10 And saith to him: Every man at first setteth forth good wine, and when men have well drunk, then that which is worse. But thou hast kept the good wine until now.

11 This beginning of miracles did Jesus in Cana of Galilee; and manifested his glory, and his disciples believed in him.

12 After this he went down to Capharnaum, he and his mother, and his brethren, and his disciples: and they remained there not many days.

69 posted on 07/13/2015 6:35:07 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Falconspeed
Perhaps the failure to say the rosary leads to the failure to acknowledge the Lord and to appreciate His cool Church which blows away every other church and religion in terms of science, art and missionary work.

FORCE the Catholics to do so!

It's Rome's ball that is being dropped.

Get RID of the ones who WILL not toe the line!

70 posted on 07/13/2015 6:37:16 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

Thank you for your clarifications. I appreciate it.


71 posted on 07/15/2015 9:48:39 PM PDT by Falconspeed ("Keep your fears to yourself, but share your courage with others." Robert Louis Stevenson (1850-94))
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