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The Extraordinary Feature of Pope Francis's Mass: Latin
The Atlantic ^ | September 23, 2015 | Emma Green

Posted on 09/23/2015 2:54:03 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o

As a visitor to the United States, Pope Francis faces a minor challenge: His English isn’t so great. Over the course of the trip, he’ll give 18 speeches, and only four of them will be in English; he’ll mostly use his native language, Spanish, to give homilies and addresses.

But at Wednesday’s mass in Washington, D.C., at which Francis will canonize Father Junipero Serra, he’ll add another linguistic twist. The main prayers of the service, along with the celebration of the Eucharist—the part of the service when people take communion—will be in Latin.

Latin! This is an exclamation-mark-worthy fact for a few reasons. “It’s very unusual,” said Father John O’Malley, the Georgetown University professor and author of What Happened at Vatican II. “It’s not unheard of, but it doesn’t make much sense, if you’re in an English parish, or a Spanish parish, to do it in Latin.”

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...That’s why it’s so interesting that Francis has chosen to include Latin in his D.C. mass:... “He’s the first pope in 50 years not to have participated in the Council,” O’Malley said. “That’s good, because he’s not fighting the battles of the Council.”

The mass that will be celebrated in D.C. on Wednesday is not the pre-Vatican II mass. The service will include English, Spanish, and several other languages, according to a Vatican spokesperson, and the pope won’t be following the Tridentine liturgy....

More likely than not, the decision to use Latin in the mass is a matter of comfort: The pope isn’t very good at English and he’ll already be speaking a lot of Spanish, so the mass offers an opportunity to incorporate another language into this visit. But it’s a small reminder that no move the pope makes come without complicated history—and symbolism—attached.

(Excerpt) Read more at theatlantic.com ...


TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Prayer; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: english; latin; serra; spanish
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To: jtal

Prescinding from religion, the Tridentine Mass is sublime performance art.


61 posted on 09/23/2015 3:37:53 PM PDT by gasport (Immigration reform means arriving in air-conditioned comfort.)
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To: Eccl 10:2

Actually, I concluded in 11th grade that God’s language is Trigonometry.


62 posted on 09/23/2015 3:39:08 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Semper Fi.)
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To: jtal

Wow! That was incredible!

Thanks for posting it!


63 posted on 09/23/2015 3:39:19 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (The 17th Amendment was the beginning of the end. The end was the 19th ;) Thank God for the 21st!)
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To: miss marmelstein

I lived through the change to English, and the priest facing the congregation, at a vulnerable age. After nineteen-hundred and some odd years, I came along and everything changed. Bad timing on my part. It did shake my Faith a bit.


64 posted on 09/23/2015 3:39:31 PM PDT by HandyDandy (Don't make-up stuff. It just wastes everybody's time.)
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Well, the pope is from Latin America.


65 posted on 09/23/2015 3:40:46 PM PDT by matt1234 (Note to GOPe lurkers: I and thousands like me will NEVER vote for Jeb Bush)
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To: knarf

Many of us can read, speak and chant Mass Latin, after all, it is printed in both languages side by side. It is easy to see the cognates and it is easy to pronounce. The three major religions all have a liturgical language, ours is Latin.


66 posted on 09/23/2015 3:41:11 PM PDT by pbear8 (the Lord is my light and my salvation)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I have a pic with a priest friend on a jet ski.


67 posted on 09/23/2015 3:42:04 PM PDT by pbear8 (the Lord is my light and my salvation)
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To: Bryanw92

Thank God Martin Luther disintegrated into 30,000 different brands of Protestantism that many of its scholars and theologians have converted to Catholicism leaving behind the fools stranded on ships that accept married gay ministers and the tenets of Joel Osteen and other hucksters.


68 posted on 09/23/2015 3:44:16 PM PDT by Steelfish
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To: freedumb2003

You’re welcome.

Full disclosure - It is my privilege to sing in the Gregorian Chant schola at my TLM parish.

We don’t often get to sing Mass IX though - usually we do Mass VIII (de Angelis) which is beautiful but a bit over-exposed.


69 posted on 09/23/2015 3:45:29 PM PDT by jtal (St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle ....)
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To: Jamestown1630

Thank you so much for that.
It was beautiful.
And as a bonus, other videos listed on the side, will give me pleasure as I listen to each one.

Thanks again, James


70 posted on 09/23/2015 3:45:39 PM PDT by Maris Crane
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To: Argus

It’s called the LATIN rite for a reason!


71 posted on 09/23/2015 3:54:09 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: pbear8
Then there's the ever-popular Nuns On Roller Skates meme.


72 posted on 09/23/2015 3:57:04 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Semper Fi.)
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To: jtal
Oh, I love that! I learned it is 7th grade and still remember every one of those little square Gregorian notes.

I used to sing it to my firstborn when I was nuRrsing him, and my adopted son when we would rock in Mom's Big Rocking Chair. What a wonderful memory of peace.

73 posted on 09/23/2015 4:08:17 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Semper Fi.)
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To: Steelfish

>>Thank God Martin Luther disintegrated into 30,000 different brands of Protestantism

That’s an often-repeated lie. Its more like 200 actual divisions. Your stat assumes that each non-denominational church is a different “brand of Protestantism”.


74 posted on 09/23/2015 4:10:54 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: jtal

all I remember is puella pukra .. or something like that


75 posted on 09/23/2015 4:11:38 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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To: vladimir998

>>So humankind was ready for Jesus Christ, but not for a German monk? Your view makes no sense whatsoever.

You don’t understand the work of Christ. He didn’t bring an intellectual understanding of god. He brought God himself. He brought Grace and delivered the Holy Spirit. That changed man forever, but even the Spirit-led man had to exist in a world of paganism that required a strong, centralized political church. Note that even that church split several times before the Reformation, so division was not an invention Luther.

IN fact, he did not split the church at the Reformation. It was the Roman Church that murdered (or more correctly, had papal-controlled secular leaders murder) Reformers and eventually the Roman Church expelled them all. Then, a short time later, that same church admitted that it was wrong and ENACTED many of Luther’s reforms.


76 posted on 09/23/2015 4:15:37 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Bryanw92
He didn’t bring an intellectual understanding of god.

And how, pray tell, can you possibly line that up with sola scriptura?

77 posted on 09/23/2015 4:20:16 PM PDT by don-o (I am Kenneth Carlisle - Waco 5/17/15)
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To: miss marmelstein; Mrs. Don-o

<<” ...or what happens when you don’t make it a caucus... “ >>


Mercy. After Mr. Robinson went to all that trouble..... Thanks for pointing out the natural feeding of anything but the sheep, here. Should have been a caucus. In spades. I would post, but blood sport is a bit too much for anyone but the cool kids, who put this crap up on open forum.


78 posted on 09/23/2015 4:21:03 PM PDT by RitaOK ( VIVA CRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming)
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To: knarf

puella pulchra == pretty girl


79 posted on 09/23/2015 4:33:34 PM PDT by jtal (St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle ....)
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To: Steelfish

I sense that God is starting to bring unity back into the Church by bringing home those who have searched for holy truth.


80 posted on 09/23/2015 5:06:30 PM PDT by Biggirl ("One Lord, one faith, one baptism" - Ephesians 4:5)
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