Posted on 02/05/2016 4:09:36 AM PST by metmom
"The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit, be with you all" (2 Corinthians 13:14).
Though there is only one God, He exists in three Persons: God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit.
God is one, but He exists in three distinct Persons. We call this the Trinity, a contraction of "tri-unity," meaning "three in one." The word Trinity doesn't appear in the Bible, but God's existence as three Persons in one God is clear from Scripture.
Old Testament evidence of God's plurality can be found in the very first verse: "In the beginning God . . ." (Gen. 1:1). The Hebrew word used for God is Elohim, which is a plural noun. Isaiah 42:1 speaks of the Messiah: "Behold, My Servant, whom I uphold; My chosen one in whom My soul delights. I have put My Spirit upon Him; He will bring forth justice to the nations." The Messiah says in Isaiah 48:16, "The Lord God has sent Me, and His Spirit."
The New Testament is more explicit about God's triune nature. After Jesus' baptism, the Spirit of God descended upon Him as a dove, and the Father said, "This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well-pleased" (Matt. 3:17). The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are together in the same scene.
Jesus says, "And I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever; that is the Spirit of truth" (John 14:16-17). Paul closes 2 Corinthians by saying, "The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit, be with you all" (13:14). Peter declares that believers are chosen "according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, by the sanctifying work of the Spirit, that you may obey Jesus Christ" (1 Peter 1:2).
So God is one, but God is three. This is a profound mystery that no human illustration can adequately describe and no scientific explanation can prove. The Trinity is something we have to take on faith, because God has taught it in Scripture.
Suggestions for Prayer
Praise God that He is so far above our finite understanding, yet has chosen to reveal Himself to us.
For Further Study
Read John 14-16.
What does Jesus teach about His relationship with the Father and the Spirit? What do you learn here about the different functions or ministries of each member of the Trinity?
Eight full days??
Lol, go and talk to a Jewish rabbi and he will explain inclusive reckoning. Any part of a day counts as a full day to a Jew, same as it did in Jesus day.
The ignorance is just stunning.
Luke 24 settles it, but some people are too stupid to realize it.
Subtitle Oh the humanity!
Subtitle 2: Comprehension/Retention failure.
Note: The heart of the earth is not the grave!
Yeshua makes two separate yet very similar statement in the book of Matthew, here they are.
Matthew 12:38 Then some of the scribes and Pharisees answered, saying, “Teacher, we want to see a sign from You.â€
39 But He answered and said to them, “An evil and adulterous generation seeks after a sign, and no sign will be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah. 40 For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
And
Matthew 16:1 Then the Pharisees and Sadducees came, and testing Him asked that He would show them a sign from heaven. 2 He answered and said to them, “When it is evening you say, ‘It will be fair weather, for the sky is red’; 3 and in the morning, ‘It will be foul weather today, for the sky is red and threatening.’ Hypocrites! You know how to discern the face of the sky, but you cannot discern the signs of the times. 4 A wicked and adulterous generation seeks after a sign, and no sign shall be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah.†And He left them and departed.
The second statement has no 'three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.' Well, if you read from chapters 12 to 16 you'll find there's three days and three nights between these two statements!
Follow the rabbit trail...
Matthew 13:1 On the same day Jesus went out of the house and sat by the sea. 2 And great multitudes were gathered together to Him, so that He got into a boat and sat; and the whole multitude stood on the shore...
...Matthew 15:32 Now Jesus called His disciples to Himself and said, “I have compassion on the multitude, because they have now continued with Me three days and have nothing to eat. And I do not want to send them away hungry, lest they faint on the way.â€
Ergo: The heart of the earth is the region of Galilee
Another Yonah link:
Luke 8:22 Now it happened, on a certain day, that He got into a boat with His disciples. And He said to them, “Let us cross over to the other side of the lake.†And they launched out. 23 But as they sailed He fell asleep. And a windstorm came down on the lake, and they were filling with water, and were in jeopardy. 24 And they came to Him and awoke Him, saying, “Master, Master, we are perishing!â€
Then He arose and rebuked the wind and the raging of the water. And they ceased, and there was a calm. 25 But He said to them, “Where is your faith?â€
And they were afraid, and marveled, saying to one another, “Who can this be? For He commands even the winds and water, and they obey Him!â€
Yeshua and Yonah were both asleep in a ship in a storm, both were awakened but the stories have different results.
But this brings us to another question?
Yeshua says A wicked and adulterous generation seeks after a sign, and no sign shall be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah
Wicked and adulterous? You'd think they'd be in the same category but they're not. The wicked, well they are headed to Gehenom, nothing else to add there. The adulterous, married but they fool around, as in hanging out with Jezebel. I'm not going into all the verses here except to list a couple.
Note: Sexual immorality is a metaphor for false teaching.
See: Proverbs 7 and Revelation 2:20
Which brings us to, what is the sign for the wicked and adulterous? Another Yonah reference.
2 Kings 14:25 25 He was the one who restored the boundaries of Israel from Lebo Hamath to the Dead Sea, in accordance with the word of the Lord, the God of Israel, spoken through his servant Jonah son of Amittai, the prophet from Gath Hepher.
Sign of the prophet Yonah, the restored borders of Israel,
1967, the Six Day War
Psalm 49:4 I will incline my ear to a proverb; I will disclose my dark saying on the harp.
Google: harp sea of Galilee / parables... it goes on a bit...
BTW, the 'trinity' description of GOD is nonsense!
**While Christ was on Earth He voluntarily limited himself to a human body and being subject to space/time. He returned to full glory after His resurrection. During the time on earth he was voluntarily limited and that’s why the Father would know some things He didn’t**
**I agree Mom. I think Jesus temporarily limited himself. He was probably not aware of what was going on in the Philippines at the time He was on earth.**
Yet he knew Nathanael was sitting under the fig tree, before he physically met him...
Knew Lazarus was dead, before anyone could actually tell him....
Knew how many times the woman at the well had been married and that the man she was living with was not her husband....
What it boils down to is, just as the Son declared, that the Father in him was giving him the words, and doing the miraculous works (read John14:10,11).
The Father told the Son what he needed to know, when he needed to know it, even after the resurrection, but before ascending to the Father to be glorified, telling Mary Magdalene:
“..I ascend unto my Father, and to your Father, and to my God, and to your God.” Jn 20:17
..And before his ascension to heaven after being glorified:
“It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.” Acts 1:7
..And after his ascension to heaven:
“The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass..”. Rev. 1:1
“..These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;” Rev. 3:14
Luke?
REALLY??
Doncha know that guy is FAMOUS for not doing his research!
I’ve heard he was a doctor.
Why didn’t he stay with pill pushin’ and leave politics; ooops! - I mean religion - to the smart folks?
More than can get the point.
On it; I mean.
What difference does that make for our salvation?
So I decided to research this 'inclusive reckoning' that you mention...As it turns out, the argument for inclusive reckoning is a ruse used by your religion to convince people like you to believe you can turn about 36 hours into 3 days and 3 nights to justify it's false teaching on burial and resurrection of Jesus...
Inclusive reckoning is not something unique to first century Jews...It is something we all use and have used since men started speaking to each other...And of course your version of inclusive reckoning has no accuracy to it since inclusive reckoning never includes the first day...Only the last day...It may be odd to a sheepish Catholic but we can know when inclusive reckoning applies by simple words attached to the time frame such as 'on the third day', after the third day, when three days were accomplished, etc...
By applying your ridiculous method of 'inclusive reckoning' in the scriptures let's say a Jewish farmer had a broke down tracter...He has it hauled to the local mechanic and gets there about 4:00 in the afternoon...
The mechanic looks it over and tells the farmer it's going to take a day to get the tractor back on it's feet...The farmer says, 'no problem', I'll just wait around and I can drive it back home and be there in time for supper...
So you have to believe that ridiculous story or you're trying to deceive me (us)...An hour does not equate to a day for the farmer any more than it did to Jesus when he died...
I read thru a number of 'Catholic' pages on this 'inclusive reckoning' and what a hoot that was...
No it doesn't...It means there is no 'Good Friday'...It means Jesus wasn't put in the tomb on Friday...
Btw, who is this Yeshua you mention?
No difference except if you believe the truth of the Scriptures and Christian Faith matter.
I see the doubt and dissension this type of falsehood creates and I know where it comes from.
I hope you take notice I never got an answer to my question.
Those that pedal the Wednesday crucifixion day always run away when forced to defend it from the Scriptures.
Besides, it is another way to portray Christians as idiots for 2,000 years and the Muslims and other enemies of the cross love it.
You may think it is a “hoot”, but it is how days are counted in the Scriptures and if you have a problem with it, you have a problem with the Holy Spirit since He ordained it.
So if you ever run into a real rabbi, ask him this:
A Jewish boy is born on Tuesday the 5th five minutes before sundown. On what day must he be circumcised on?
The answer is the eighth day, or Tuesday the 12th.
Bonus question, if someone were to die on the Tuesday the 5th and rise from the dead on the third day, on what would he rise?
Answer is on Thursday the 7th.
The ignorance of the Scriptures is really stunning.
Ok, please tell us:
What day did Jesus die?
What day did Jesus rise from the dead?
We will see if your answer matches the Biblical record.
But if he rose from the dead when three days were accomplished he would be raised on the 8th...
Wrong.
Today - 5th
Tomorrow - 6th
Third day - 7th
In the BIble, the third day is the day after tomorrow. Tomorrow is always the day after today.
Please look up how Jesus counted days in Luke 13.
That is why there is absolutely no doubt, none, that we can say with 100% certainty that Jesus died on the sixth day ( Friday ) and rose on the third day ( Sunday )
No, that's your interpretation. The holy spirit is the spirit of God the father and/or Christ the son as they interact in our lives. It is NOT a separate person in the Godhead other than them. Acts 5 is lying to the holy spirit of God.
I've shown you verse after verse of the heavenly realm..the Godhead....and there is no indication or hint that there is another divine personage named "holy spirit". In ever letter that Paul writes he sends greetings ONLY from the father and son. Never from a "person" called the holy spirit.
And again the whole doctrine of the trinity did NOT exist as part of church teaching until more than 300 years after the death of Christ. That's exactly because it's not evident in scripture at all.
Matthew 28 declares the Holy Spirit part of the Godhead.
No, it does not. It's a baptismal formula. One is baptized in the name of the father and the son and receives the holy spirit of God.
If it means what you think it means then you have to explain why people are only baptized in the name of Jesus in the bible:
Act_2:38 Then Peter said to them, "Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
I know this is difficult for you to believe but scripture and history is clear.
You are too kind, Delchiante.
I know time is precious, and I thank you so much for offering to share. Know that I will take all that you have time to type and send. ALL.
If you want to start with the 30 of the 30/60/100, that will be just fine. Alternatively, information on the real calendar will be great too!
You are a blessing, indeed. ;-)
SC
Does Jesus refer to the Holy Spirit as “he”?
Did Jesus say he was going to send another counselor?
Matthew 28 uses the singular name of Father, Son and Holy Spirit. It doesn’t say to baptize in the name of the Father and Son and you will receive the Spirit.
As far Acts saying be baptized in the name of Jesus, that means by the authority and command of Jesus.
The actual baptismal formula is as Jesus commands in Matthew 28.
Your knowledge of Church history is lacking. The Trinity was always believed since the Apostles taught it. When a priest named Arius challenged the doctrine, the Church settled the matter once and for all.
So what is the history of your belief. Did anyone believe this doctrine before you? If so, who was the first person or people to teach your unique belief ( after 95ad, since I can see you will say the Apostles, lol )
So, then, you are saying that it makes a difference where we spend eternity based on what day of the week we believe that Jesus died and arose?
I am not involved in the thread to know or really care whether you got some question answered. And I don’t have the time for it now. But because of the way you worded a post, I was curious to know if you believe that our salvation depends on what we believe are correct days of His death and resurrection. Do you?
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