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4 Books That Made a Priest Leave the Church
CCC Discover ^ | May 24, 2017 | Nicholas Davis

Posted on 06/30/2017 4:43:54 PM PDT by Gamecock

The year 2017 is the year of Martin Luther—or at least it should be. Nearly 500 years ago on October 31, 1517, Luther nailed (or “mailed,” for some historians debate this point) his 95 theses to the door of Wittenberg Castle Church.

Even so, Luther didn’t become a full-fledged protestor of the church in that single moment. It took him about eight years (1513-1521) to challenge and hammer out a more robust understanding of the gospel.

Have you ever wondered what Martin Luther was reading during this crucial time in his life? Maybe I’m just a nerd, but I thought at least someone else might be interested in what Luther was reading during his slow, but steady, transition out of the medieval church and into the world of reformation.

Remember, Luther’s goal wasn’t to invent or start an entirely new church. His goal was to reform the church and call her to repentance and faith in the abiding Word of God.

Here are four books Martin Luther read that made him question everything:

1. The Psalms Luther spent time studying and lecturing through the Psalms in the Bible. He began to realize that the Bible teaches we are not generally sinful, we are totally sinful. Here, Luther had the beginnings of what theologians later would refer to as “total depravity,” meaning that we are sinful in our thoughts, words, and deeds.

2. Romans After that, Luther lectured through Paul’s letter to the Romans. He came across Romans 1:17, “For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith for faith, as it is written, ‘The righteous shall live by faith.’” The last part of this verse is a direct quotation from Habakkuk 2:4.

Luther began to see something that he never saw before. He began to see the doctrine of imputation—that we are declared right before God not by our own righteousness, but by the righteousness of another. He began to understand that the righteousness of God that was such a terror to him as a priest (because it told him that he was unholy and unworthy), was actually the righteousness from God that told him he was holy and worthy. God gives this right standing by faith alone. It is a righteousness that is received as a gift and not earned.

3. Galatians It wasn’t until Luther started lecturing through Galatians that he began to realize that faith does not justify us before God. Faith is merely an instrument that God uses. Faith is a tool by which we embrace Jesus Christ as he is offered to us in the gospel.

Faith is, as John Murry once said, “extrospective.” It looks outward—not inward—to embrace the God who gives himself. In other words, faith is only an empty hand. It justifies because it grabs hold of the Jesus who justifies (Rom. 3:26).

4. Hebrews The last book that turned a medieval priest into a true Reformer was the letter to the Hebrews. Luther began to embrace an entirely different understanding of how the Old and New Testaments relate to one another. He realized that the law is not simply the Old Testament and the gospel is the New Testament, but that the gospel of God can be seen as preached throughout both Old and New Testaments.

The same Jesus of the same gospel was offered freely to both Jew and Gentile alike, throughout the whole Bible. Sure, there was a greater and fuller proclamation of that message, such that it went out to the whole world instead of only Israel and their close neighbors—but the gospel was preached nonetheless!

In short, reading and studying the Bible is what ultimately made Martin Luther “protest” the medieval church. Luther was convinced that the Bible was worth listening to. So this year we celebrate the anniversary of a “recovery of the bright light of the gospel.” To God alone be all the glory (Soli Deo Gloria).


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To: MHGinTN
On these two hang the all the Laws and the Prophets’ Is that enough of a hint for you?

There are nine "I say unto you" instances in this text, new commandments as it were, in addition those explicitly referenced in the Law.

Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee; Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.

Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison. Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing.

Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. And if thy right hand offend thee, cut if off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement: But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.

Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths: But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne: Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King. Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black. But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.

Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloke also. And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain. Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.

Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same? And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so? Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect


Matthew, Catholic chapter five, Protestant verses seventeen to forty eight
as authorized, but not authored, by King James

121 posted on 07/01/2017 6:35:18 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: af_vet_1981
36“Teacher, which commandment is the greatest in the Law?” 37 Jesus declared, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 All the Law and the Prophets depend on these two commandments."

"A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another."

122 posted on 07/01/2017 6:53:09 PM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: amihow; redleghunter; Springfield Reformer; kinsman redeemer; BlueDragon; imardmd1; Luircin; ...
And who made Luther smarter and more accurate than the persons Christ conferred authority on some 1,400 years prior?

Then came the officers to the chief priests and Pharisees; and they said unto them, Why have ye not brought him? The officers answered, Never man spake like this man. Then answered them the Pharisees, Are ye also deceived? Have any of the rulers or of the Pharisees believed on him? But this people who knoweth not the law are cursed. (John 7:45-49)

What is the basis for your assurance of truth? For it seems that the RC argument is that an assuredly (if conditionally) infallible magisterium is essential for determination and assurance of Truth (including writings and men being of God) and to fulfill promises of Divine presence, providence of Truth, and preservation of faith, and authority.

And that being the historical instruments and stewards of Divine revelation (oral and written) means that such is that assuredly infallible magisterium. Thus any who knowingly dissent from the latter must be in rebellion to God.

Agree or disagree?

123 posted on 07/01/2017 7:39:17 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Tust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + folllow Him.)
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To: panzerkamphwageneinz; DesertRhino
He did it all while banging a nun- Luther had a sex problem

You mean married to a former nun?

Meanwhile,

Cardinal Bellarmine:

 "Some years before the rise of the Lutheran and Calvinistic heresy, according to the testimony of those who were then alive, there was almost an entire abandonment of equity in ecclesiastical judgments; in morals, no discipline; in sacred literature, no erudition; in divine things, no reverence; religion was almost extinct. (Concio XXVIII. Opp. Vi. 296- Colon 1617, in “A History of the Articles of Religion,” by Charles Hardwick, Cp. 1, p. 10,)

 • The Avignon Papacy (1309-76) relocated the throne to France and was followed by the Western Schism (1378-1417), with three rival popes excommunicating each other and their sees. Referring to the schism of the 14th and 15th centuries, Cardinal Ratzinger observed,

"For nearly half a century, the Church was split into two or three obediences that excommunicated one another, so that every Catholic lived under excommunication by one pope or another, and, in the last analysis, no one could say with certainty which of the contenders had right on his side. The Church no longer offered certainty of salvation; she had become questionable in her whole objective form--the true Church, the true pledge of salvation, had to be sought outside the institution.

"It is against this background of a profoundly shaken ecclesial consciousness that we are to understand that Luther, in the conflict between his search for salvation and the tradition of the Church, ultimately came to experience the Church, not as the guarantor, but as the adversary of salvation. (Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger, head of the Sacred Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith for the Church of Rome, “Principles of Catholic Theology,” trans. by Sister Mary Frances McCarthy, S.N.D. (San Francisco: Ignatius, 1989) p.196). http://www.whitehorseinn.org/blog/2012/06/13/whos-in-charge-here-the-illusions-of-church-infallibility/)

Catholic historian Paul Johnson additionally described the existing social situation among the clergy during this period leading up to the Refomation: 

Probably as many as half the men in orders had ‘wives’ and families. Behind all the New Learning and the theological debates, clerical celibacy was, in its own way, the biggest single issue at the Reformation. It was a great social problem and, other factors being equal, it tended to tip the balance in favour of reform. As a rule, the only hope for a child of a priest was to go into the Church himself, thus unwillingly or with no great enthusiasm, taking vows which he might subsequently regret: the evil tended to perpetuate itself.” (History of Christianity, pgs 269-270)

124 posted on 07/01/2017 7:39:29 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Tust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + folllow Him.)
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To: Sontagged
This is more problematic for Catholics, because it shows that Peter was not infallible in his person, or his personal words, as Catholics erroneously presume Peter was the first Pope.

Good overall post, but on the above, as RCs will tell you, the (novel and unScriptural) RC doctrine of ensured perpetual magisterial infallibility does not hold that Peter was infallible in his person or his personal words, nor would his supposed successors be, but that this protection from error only applies when formally declaring something on faith or morals to all the church.

For Rome has presumed to infallibly declare she is and will be perpetually infallible whenever she speaks in accordance with her infallibly defined (scope and subject-based) formula, which renders her declaration that she is infallible, to be infallible, as well as all else she accordingly declares.

125 posted on 07/01/2017 7:39:38 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Tust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + folllow Him.)
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To: amihow; Luircin
I argue from logic. Can you tell me where , in the authentic teachings of the Catholic Church any of Luther’s accusations were taught?

The 95 thesis were actually intended to correct the Roman church from abuses regarding indulgences, the doctrine of which was not all that official. But if not against "authentic teachings of the Catholic church," then it seems that pope was mistaken in warning Luther in his edict "Exsurge Domine" that he risked excommunication unless within 60 days he recanted 41 sentences drawn from his writings, including the Ninety-five Theses. But that is not all that Luther taught after being persecuted for these 95 appeals, arguments and exhortations, and certainly, among others, Luther's rejection of the novel and unScriptural premise of ensured perpetual magisterial infallibility, and of required submission of faith, or of mind and will based on it is contrary to Catholic teaching.

But the question must be asked, just what do you consider "authentic teachings of the Catholic Church?" Only infallible teachings, or also encyclicals, bulls, social teaching, whatever the V2 and or the CCC says?

For we have variant beliefs on this among RCs, even here.

126 posted on 07/01/2017 7:39:51 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Tust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + folllow Him.)
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To: amihow
P.S. Rome does not kill, although Priests may.

When a pope and council requires RC rulers to exterminate those she defines as heretics then it is indeed Rome doing the killing, if by proxy. Denial of that is simply sophistry.

127 posted on 07/01/2017 7:40:30 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Tust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + folllow Him.)
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To: daniel1212

Just stop your hate please. The Protestants killed Catholics all over England and Ireland for not being heretics.

The only historical time I know of when the Pope sent out legions was to defeat the Muslims at the battle of Lepanto. Do you object to that?


128 posted on 07/01/2017 7:52:24 PM PDT by amihow (.size)
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To: amihow

Who sent the official Inquisitors?


129 posted on 07/01/2017 8:10:15 PM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: MHGinTN

Funny. He’s spent many posts arguing with you about the Law.

I challenge him with four passages about the Gospel far upthread and ask him to respond. Utter silence.


131 posted on 07/01/2017 8:22:38 PM PDT by Luircin
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To: Gamecock

Bump


132 posted on 07/01/2017 8:25:49 PM PDT by The Mayor (Honesty means never having to look over your shoulder.)
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To: The Mayor

Placemarker


133 posted on 07/01/2017 9:08:25 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: editor-surveyor; Gamecock
>> “The same Jesus of the same gospel was offered freely to both Jew and Gentile alike, throughout the whole Bible” <<

This statement is essentially gibberish. “Jews” are followers of Phariseeism. Jews didn’t exist until the second temple period. Did you mean Israelites, or Hebrews?

What about the term "Mordecai the Jew" used in the OT book of Esther (see Esther 5:13; 8:7; 9:29; 10:3)? The Hebrew word used was "Yehudi" which means: Jewish (see http://biblehub.com/hebrew/3064.htm).

134 posted on 07/01/2017 10:52:52 PM PDT by boatbums (The Law is a storm which wrecks your hopes of self-salvation, but washes you upon the Rock of Ages.)
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To: Golden Oldie Song Qigong

Rules on the religion forum are more restrictive than on the main one. Don’t be surprised if this reply of yours is deleted.


136 posted on 07/01/2017 11:22:33 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: Gamecock

Thanks!


137 posted on 07/02/2017 12:52:36 AM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: Gamecock
Good for Luther, but it only took me one verse to leave the Catholic Church. John 3:3. 😇😁🙏👍
138 posted on 07/02/2017 1:29:29 AM PDT by Mark17 (Genesis chapter 1 verse 1. In the beginning GOD....And the rest, as they say, is HIS-story)
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To: Charles Henrickson; Gamecock; daniel1212
I memorized the whole book of Hebrews, word for word. It took nine years. Not a moment was wasted, repeating it over and over again. Also Romans 1, 6, and 8. Psalms 1, 2, 122, 134, 139, and many verses from it.

Praise God for the blessings contained in them.

I believe one of the best verses of the Bible is Psalm 128:1 AV:

"Blessed is every one that feareth the LORD; that walketh in (H)is ways."

Let me guess that it was reading these in, and knowing the nuances of the Koine that impressed Luther.

And actually, thogh he was a leader of the Reformation, the Dutch priest and humanist known as "Desiderius Erasmus" in producing a fine Byzantine.Majority Textform was the true Father of the Reformation.

139 posted on 07/02/2017 1:35:22 AM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: boatbums
Amazing, isn't it, how totally unteachable some folks are?

Yes, it is, but at least you and me, and a few other ex Catholics here, were teachable. Most of the Catholics around here, are Berean types. They want to know the truth. I never tell them to leave the Catholic Church. A few have stayed in it, but most leave it on their own. 😀😂😊

140 posted on 07/02/2017 1:51:22 AM PDT by Mark17 (Genesis chapter 1 verse 1. In the beginning GOD....And the rest, as they say, is HIS-story)
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