Posted on 10/12/2017 7:43:41 PM PDT by vladimir998
The brilliant German monk never intended to start his own Church
A few years ago, a Lutheran friend sent me a link to her favourite website: Lutheran Satire. The brainchild of a US Lutheran pastor, it focuses on Church humour from a Lutheran angle. The goal is catechesis through comedy, and no issue or religious leader is too sacred to poke. One of the site’s most popular videos is a cartoon called “The Reformation Piggybackers”. The plot is simple: Luther nails his 95 Theses to the door of the Wittenberg church...
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“https://bible.org/seriespage/appendix-doctrine-soul-sleeping";
Pretty much confirms my own beliefs. It also confirms my assessment that Tyndale’s error is a minor issue.
Further, it’s amazing that he had such a clear understanding of true Bible doctrine given the absence of it in the apostate church he lived among and which was constantly at war with those seeking to learn and propagate the Bible.
It’s a far cry from the crimes against God’s word committed in the name of Christ by Catholics and others who tortured and killed people for translating the scriptures and for disagreeing with the official church teachings, even when these teachings clearly contradict the Bible.
Since your evidence supports that Tyndale was not a heretic, I’ll accept your apology for your insults against me, and your denunciation of his murder whenever you are ready.
“Protestant apologists know Tyndale was in error”
I already said soul sleep is in error.
You’ve just proved your claims wrong. This does not rise to calling Tyndale a heretic.
Peter, even as a godly apostle made the error of hypocritically separating from Gentile Christians at meals. Paul, even as a godly apostle, reviled the high priest in error. Mark became weary and failed to complete his duties on his first mission trip with Paul and Barnabas.
These men all wrote Scripture and have great rewards in Heaven. And the people who tortured and killed them, did so as enemies of Christ.
So, if Tyndale was just a man who made “errors” (as all of us do) and not a heretic, then what is your justification for his “execution?”
Tyndale was a heretic. He was executed for heresy. Psychopannychism is a heresy.
Bearing false witness is a sin. You’re bearing false witness. You will not repent. I, on the other hand, made no errors at all on this subject. Everything I said is factually correct. You apparently know so little about these issues and events that you couldn’t even get the timeline of events correct - as you yourself admitted. I made no such error.
You can’t get the basic facts about Tyndale correct: when things happened, or why they happened, so you apparently have chosen to attack Catholics and the Catholic Church instead.
You keep proving Newman right: “To Protestantism False Witness is the principle of propagation.” (John Henry Newman, Lecture 4. True Testimony Insufficient for the Protestant View).
You continue to justify the murders and tortures committed by official representatives of your religion.
I have named numerous heresies that your religion promoted at the time of these murders, and still promotes today.
These heresies include the heresy that supports burning men (and women) at the stake for contradicting the religious tenets of the accusers.
“False Witness is the principle of propagation”
As opposed to your methods of murder and torture.
“Tyndale was a heretic.”
You’re a heretic.
“He was executed for heresy. “
You advocate murder.
“Psychopannychism is a heresy.”
Your own post provided the proof (from Bible.org) that his position is not a heresy.
“Bearing false witness is a sin.”
So stop doing it then. And while you’re at it, stop advocating for murder, as that is also against God’s commandments.
“You can’t get the basic facts about Tyndale correct”
Liar. Bearer of false witness. I corrected my error. Therefore, by your own words, you are a false witness.
“you apparently have chosen to attack Catholics and the Catholic Church”
I never burned anyone at the stake like your church did and like you advocate doing.
You posted this “article” which is no more than an anti-evangelical screed. Then you get your feelings hurt because you get rebuked for your proud, stubborn, wicked, unrepentant, heretical ways.
Why don’t you share your views on Tyndale’s death to your local congregation? Maybe you can have an inquisition to see if all of those attendees agree. Then you could kick out the ones who do not agree. Of course you will not have the legal option, the one you advocate and defend, of burning them at the stake, but at least you could keep your church pure of the “heretics.”
Tyndale was a heretic and was arrested and tried for heresy. He was convicted and executed for heresy. He was, of course, a heretic for he believed and taught heretical doctrines such as Psychopannychism.
Some snowflakes can’t handle these irrefutable facts so what they do is lash out with false accusations - especially if those snowflakes have a history of bearing false witness. But more on that in a minute.
This is to be expected. After all as John Henry Newman noted in the 19th century, “To Protestantism False Witness is the principle of propagation.” (John Henry Newman, Lecture 4. True Testimony Insufficient for the Protestant View). We shouldn’t be surprised then to see some Protestants literally invent fictions in desperate attempts to deflect attention from the facts they either do not know, or cannot change or counter.
“I corrected my error.”
I just didn’t make any errors at all. It’s always easier to just get everything absolutely correct from the beginning so that’s what I did.
Now, when you’re dealing with someone who has a snowflake mentality, you always know how it will go. When he can’t argue history, makes numerous errors, and starts inventing things that no one said out of desperation, if you dare to note these things, he’ll start to act unhinged. Just like that University of California, Riverside student who stole the MAGA hat right off a kid’s head and claimed it (the MAGA hat) was somehow connected to genocide of a “bunch of people” the snowflake wannabee will claim you support “murder” or “torture” or who knows what else. He will make false claims that you are doing what he himself had already done - such as bear false witness - even if you did no such thing and he can’t even offer any cogent or coherent evidence of such a thing. This is bound to happen. Just let him keep posting - in fact encourage him to do so - since his increasingly strange and irrational posts will only serve to undermine his case (not that he actually has a “case” of course; such a thing would require knowledge and ability and they are bound to be in short supply on his side since he is starting off with error as his friend and dishonesty as his master).
You argument here is prime example for why to not be Roman Catholic. Partaking of that sordid & horrid assemblage of error can poison the mind, the heart, and the soul.
Falling asleep in Christ a "heresy"? Why of course [not] the Gospel of Christ teaches that persons who believe in such things should be put to death. Do God a favor and kill them! Kill them! That'll teach 'em all about that falling asleep business...
Such murderous activity as having a man like Tyndale burned at the stake is not found within Scripture (in regards to gifts of administration). The spirit which led men in power to commit such acts (or else perhaps yet worse -- to compel others to commit such acts) arose from depths of hell, rather than come down from on high.
Thank God for having sent men such as Tyndale, Martin Luther, and hundreds, even thousands of others to have assisted in re-turning men's understandings better towards things of the Lord as those are revealed in Scripture, compared to how it (the Church) had under long centuries of illegitimate administration of bishopric of Rome grown into being like evil weeds choking a garden of it's grains and fruit.
“Tyndale was a heretic”
You are a heretic who advocates murdering people who disagree with you.
That is the worst heresy I’ve seen promoted on this forum.
“was arrested and tried for heresy”
Funny how you avoid answering the question of what Joan of Arc was “executed” for.
“After all as John Henry Newman noted in the 19th “
Ad nauseam.
John Henry Newman was found guilty of libel by a jury of his peers. He was forced to retract some of his writings. Ironic since you cite him (over, and over, and over) to justify attacks on a person’s honesty.
You are dishonest. Everyone sees it.
You may argue that John Henry Newman did not receive a fair trial. Well, bingo. That’s the point. It is not a fair trial when ...
YOU DEMAND A MAN LIKE TYNDALE TO LIE AND REJECT HIS DIVINE CALLING TO SUBMIT TO YOUR HERIES OR YOU WILL CONDEMN HIM TO BE BURNED A THE STAKE. THAT’S AN UNFAIR TRIAL.
Your rants are meaningless. You are no different than Obama feigning outrage over some meaningless issue of propriety while promoting the death of babies.
You are driven by madness and bloodlust. You are hellbent on promoting your wicked heresies such as the abominations of idolatry in the name of Christ, and the murder of the true saints of God for refusing to bow the knee to Rome, the place where much Christian blood was shed.
“Just like that University of California, Riverside student who stole the MAGA hat right off a kid’s head and claimed it (the MAGA hat) was somehow connected to genocide of a ‘bunch of people’ the snowflake wannabee will claim you support ‘murder’ or ‘torture’ or who knows what else.”
What do you know about Make America Great Again?
You reject one of the most basic principles of religious freedom this nation was founded on.
It’s particularly disgusting when real Christians had to flee for their lives to escape the bloodthirsty murders of Rome and other false religion in order to worship God according to the dictates of their conscience, and then we have people like yourself mocking the martyrs who paved the way for this Reformation.
What a liar you are. You add quotes around “martyr” and “torture” as if these are not historical facts. And then, out of the other side of your lying mouth, you claim “execution for heresy” is simply an unassailable, historical fact.
And hypocritically you will not even acknowledge the same about Joan of Arc.
I don’t have to wonder what it would be like to deal with the phony, religious hypocrites of the days of Christ and the apostles. You have managed to epitomize all of their nastiness.
Thank God that the Constitution has not yet been destroyed by people like you who are frothing at the mouth to destroy First Amendment protections for Protestants (who founded the nation by the way).
The First Amendment was written precisely to protect people like me from people like you. It allows you to publish your nasty lies and heresies, but it does not allow you to torture and kill me. And you can not stop people from exposing your lies and hate. Although it might be debatable whether listening to your tirades is cruel and unusual.
“I just didn’t make any errors at all. It’s always easier to just get everything absolutely correct from the beginning so that’s what I did.”
You’ve posted nothing but error.
Your post of this article, if it can be called that, as it is nothing more than a screed, was your first error. And you’ve posted nothing but error since.
You’ve contradicted yourself numerous times.
First, you claim the murder of William Tyndale was “execution for heresy.” You defend your statement as “historical fact.” But when confronted with the implications of your pretzel logic about people you call saints, such as Joan of Arc, you clam up. You run and hide.
Won’t you defend you saints? Was Joan of Arc murdered or executed? Was she a heretic or merely accused of being one? Is this a fact or opinion.
You won’t answer because you are like a snake. You don’t have a leg to stand on. You are caught in the web of your own making. You backed yourself into a corner and must hide from the light.
Second, you asserted that Tyndale is a heretic by Protestant standards.
Since you will either ignore this charge or deny it, because you are a liar, I will post the quote and link so others can see what a lying hypocrite you are.
“Protestants de facto denouncing Tyndale as a heretic by his association with heresy” #238
“Tyndale was a heretic according to even most Protestants. Irrefutable.” #237
“most Protestants would admit if they already agree that psychopannychism is heretic” #218
“Tyndale was executed for heresy and was in fact a heretic according to what even most Protestants think. This fact,,,” #216
You quoted Bible.org in #236:
“Actually, such a belief should not be classified as heresy, but rather simply a doctrinal aberration from the teaching of Scripture.”
So, by your own standard, you’ve made false claims against me and Tyndale. By your standard for what bearing false witness means, you have been bearing false witness.
“’To Protestantism False Witness is the principle of propagation.’ (John Henry Newman, Lecture 4. True Testimony Insufficient for the Protestant View).”
You posted your anti-Protestant screen like you delight in doing so you can fill your sick and demented need to attack the Gospel of Christ.
And then you post this nasty comment, on this thread alone, five times.
You are like nasty vermin that get into homes and scurry around defecating on everything. And people get ill because they don’t realize they’ve touched something contaminated.
John Henry Newman was convicted of libel by a jury of his peers. Fortunately he was not burned at the stake for his libel.
“Tyndale was a heretic and was arrested and tried for heresy. He was convicted and executed for heresy.”
By your standards, Joan of Arc was a heretic and was arrested and tried for heresy. She was convicted and executed for heresy.
Also, it is a historical fact that John Henry Newman was convicted of libel by a jury of his peers.
“Just let him keep posting - in fact encourage him to do so - since his increasingly strange and irrational posts will only serve to undermine his case”
You sound like Screwtape writing advice to his nephew Wormwood. Could have been ripped from the pages practically.
To post this “article” and defend the indefensible murders of men like Tyndale, Evangelical Protestantism must keep you awake at night. You must lose sleep over not being able to see people burned at the stake for not sharing your heretical views.
How deep your hatred for the Bible and the Gospel must be.
Tyndale was arrested for heresy. He was convicted of heresy. He was executed for heresy. He was, in fact, a heretic.
You can keep bearing false witness all you like - only you are hurt by it. You can keep saying I said this or that (when I never said any such thing). That only hurts your soul. If a Protestant out of desperation lies about me on the internet it does not hurt me in the least.
Everything I said was absolutely correct. Nothing I said has been or will be refuted. Tyndale was a heretic. Tyndale was executed for heresy. Those are the facts.
Since you cannot make any argument against what I have correctly said about Tyndale, you repeatedly make up out of thin air, insane accusations against me. And, of course, I already, correctly, noted this would happen in post #245.
Another example of the bizarre nature of your posting is the sheer number of posts. I posted one comment, a relatively short one at that, and you post no fewer than six responses (all to post #246). None of your posts say anything particularly new. They are largely just attacks on me. This will not help your cause. Tyndale was a heretic. He was executed for heresy.
vladimir998 is a heretic who advocates the execution of people he deems to be a heretic.
He posts screeds condemning the Reformation and all Protestants.
And he wraps himself in the mantle of his false religion to condemn others and justify the murders done in the name of his religion in the past.
He breaks with the traditions of the true Church, Christ, the apostles, the early church fathers, and even his modern co-religionists who do not share his vile hatred for Protestants and his rationalization of their murder and torture in the past.
He attempts to distract observers from these facts by going down numerous rabbit trails.
He boasts of never making any errors, though he is highly prone to them.
He hypocritically chastises those who correct their errors, but as for his own errors, he covers them up with lies.
When he paints himself into a corner with faulty logic, he lashes out rather than address the issues at hand.
He loves to copy and paste useless and irrelevant text in order to appear to carry his side of a discussion.
But it is entirely one sided as he admits to not reading and not listening.
He promises not to listen or reply but continues to do so because, while he does not want anyone else to be able to be heard, he insists that he must be.
Anyone who wishes can trace the thread of my conversation with him to observe that I have thoroughly and accurately addressed every question and issue he has raised, while he has ignored numerous points and questions I have put forward.
He is like a pest that defecates all over the forum with his filth and runs for the shadows when the light of truth is turned on.
A person who justifies the murder of Protestants for disagreeing with his religion is quite out of place on a website dedicated to, among other things, conservative principles, Constitutional governance, and freedom of religion.
Perhaps when I have more time I will compile a list of the numerous unanswered questions and points I have raised. But of all the very long posts I have made on this thread, it would almost certainly be the longest.
And if I break it into separate posts he will protest and complain about that. But, of course, he will still refuse like a stubborn child to address a single issue which could have been addressed long ago. And he will hypocritically posts repeats of the same nonsense he has already posted and which has already been answered fully.
The facts remain as they always have been:
Tyndale was arrested for heresy.
Tyndale was convicted of heresy.
Tyndale was executed for heresy.
Tyndale was, in fact, a heretic.
You can repeatedly bear false witness against me all you like but those facts will never change.
Tyndale was arrested for heresy.
Tyndale was convicted of heresy.
Tyndale was executed for heresy.
Tyndale was, in fact, a heretic.
Bearing false witness against me changes nothing about Tyndale’s heresy.
Everything I said was absolutely correct. Nothing I said has been or will be refuted.
Tyndale was arrested for heresy.
Tyndale was convicted of heresy.
Tyndale was executed for heresy.
Tyndale was, in fact, a heretic.
Those are the facts. Attacking me rather than dealing with the facts changes NOTHING.
vladimir998 bears witness against himself that he is a liar, hypocrite, and a heretic.
He repeatedly and constantly posts anti-Protestant screeds.
This entire thread is an example of this.
Then he gets all huffy and indignant when these character flaws and false theology of his get exposed.
He does not take correction.
He does not hear reproof.
The Bible calls such men “proud and haughty scorners.”
There is no worse false doctrine or heresy, excluding a false Gospel (which vladimir998 surely also promotes), than the one vladimir998 has put forward on this thread.
vladimir998 advocates that it is moral and justifiable to murder Bible translators for disagreeing with his theology.
vladimir998 hates that the Reformation, a movement caused by God Himself and blessed by God Himself, occurred.
vladimir998 wishes to undo the Reformation and bring back the days when he could gleefully have Protestants, especially those who translate and spread the Bible to other languages, arrested, tortured, and murdered.
The modern Catholic Church does not burn men at the stake for disagreeing with it. It resorts to more traditional and biblical approaches such as “come let us reason together.” And many modern Catholics truly know and love Jesus, in spite of the persistent bad theology and erring traditions of the Catholic Church.
Many modern Catholics recognize that their church is in dire need of reformation and repentance today. Perhaps some will give a second thought to the similar need that occurred centuries ago as evidenced by the murder of William Tyndale.
Perhaps some modern Catholics will discern the false theology and vile hatred of men like vladimir998 and flee to the truth.
While vladimir998 is still alive there is hope for him, but he is a truly stubborn, proud, unrepentant heretic, and this will only change if he experiences a Damascus road-like encounter with Jesus.
If you discuss theology with vladimir998, double-check if he has repented of these things.
Otherwise beware of the leaven of vladimir998.
Everything I said was absolutely correct. The facts remain:
Tyndale was arrested for heresy.
Tyndale was convicted of heresy.
Tyndale was executed for heresy.
Tyndale was, in fact, a heretic.
Someone can bear false witness against and it will change none of the facts. I made no errors at all. I made no errors at all about Tyndale.
It’s sad that someone would resort to bearing false witness - apparently because he’s desperate to avoid the facts - but no number of false claims against me change any of the facts: Tyndale was arrested for heresy. Tyndale was convicted of heresy. Tyndale was executed for heresy. Tyndale was, in fact, a heretic.
Everything I said was absolutely correct. Nothing I said has been or will be refuted. Those are the facts. Attacking me rather than dealing with the facts changes NOTHING.
Please pray for unlearner. He clearly needs prayers.
Space wasting repeats, except this:
“Please pray for unlearner. He clearly needs prayers.”
Yes, we all do. Especially those who justify the murder of Christians for translating the Bible.
I welcome prayers (to God through Christ).
First kind word I’ve seen posted by vladimir998 on this (his own) thread, though I will admit to not reading everything he has posted to others.
May God reward those who pray sincerely in like manner as they pray.
If all you’re doing is really posting attacks on me - and that’s what you’re doing - then you’re wasting everyone’s time.
And prayers are good, but the sinner still needs to repent. When someone bears false witness in dozens of posts - as you have - and never repents of that obvious false witness the spiritual obstacles are clear. Also, when that same person goes so far as to accuse others who have not once made a single false statement in the entire thread of supposedly bearing false witness - and that’s what you did - the hypocrisy also becomes clear.
In any event, here’s what is entirely irrefutable:
Tyndale was arrested for heresy. He was convicted of heresy. He was executed for heresy. Tyndale was, in fact, a heretic.
Keep unlearner in your prayers. Pray that he repents of his false witness.
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