Skip to comments.Utah Baby Names (That distinctive name that says, "I'm Mormon.")
Posted on 01/24/2003 4:41:20 PM PST by A.J.Armitage
When my husband and I moved from Utah to the Washington, D.C. area seventeen years ago, we knew nothing of the inadvertent legacy we carried from our four years in Utah. Shortly after we arrived in our new home, we saw a television commercial for a local grocery store chain. The spokeswoman's name was the unusual "Odonna." "She's gotta be from Utah," I said to my husband. "That's a Utah name if I ever heard one."
We eventually learned that Odonna was, indeed, Utah born and bred.
It dawned on us that many names we'd heard during our college careers, and found only mildly remarkable, were indeed unique to the Utah Mormon culture. Thus began our quest to define what makes some names singularly Utahn, and what sets them apart from ethnic names with roots in other cultures, such as Juanita or Shoshanna; or African-American names such as Tawanda and Shaquille; or the newly common, soap-operaesque handles such as Skylar, Tiffany, Raven, and Adrienne. There's a difference, and it's not just the obviously Mormon scriptural names like Mahonri or Nephi or Moroni. Often identifying a Utah name is a gut feeling akin to Justice Potter Stewart's definition of pornography: you know it when you see it.
The quintessential Utah name often has a French-sounding prefix such as Le-, La-, Ne-, or Va-. Often names appear to have genesis in the combined names of the parents--Veradeane or GlenDora, for example. Related is the practice of feminizing the father's name--as in Vonda (dad is Vaughan) or Danetta. Others, such as Snell or Houser, appear to be surnames called into service as first names.
Related is the curious tendency, more common in Utah than elsewhere, for men (women do not seem to do this) to use the first initial, then the full middle name as the given name, such as L. Flake Roberts, who ran for office in Utah County when we lived there. (Come on, you've noticed this habit among the general authorities of the LDS church!) Besides puzzling over why someone would want to be known as "Flake," it makes one wonder just what the "L" stands for.
[Hmmmm. Where have we heard about that before? --A.J.]
So my husband and I entertained ourselves by collecting the often bizarre names we found in Utah publications (including the obituaries, which indicates that this is not a recent fad) and of Utah natives we met. We compiled a list and shared it with our friends, who often as not had a few more to add. We really hit a bonanza when one woman shared our observations with her mother, who worked at a Utah bank and had access to lots of names. She started her own list and began sending the names to us. (My personal favorite, LaNondus, came from this source.) Another friend told us of a set of sisters, all of whose names began with "Ja."
Once my husband had Internet access, he collected more names and corresponded with another couple who amused themselves the same way. They made cleverly categorized lists: "The ward choir director's daughters: LaVoice, Choral, Audia."
It makes you wonder what some parents were thinking when, for instance, they named their baby girl Lanae (la-nay)--and she unfortunately ended up with a big nose (le nez [la-nay] in French means "the nose"). Or the girl named M'Lu--are clever wags endlessly asking her to skip to it? And how the heck do people with apostrophes in their names fill out computerized forms? There's no apostrophe space. The guy I really pity, though, is the one saddled with the unfortunate moniker, Rube.
Of course, parents cannot predict what new interpretations the marketplace will bring to the names they lovingly bestow on their offspring. I once worked at a company which had dealings with a woman named LaPriel (pronounced la-prell). When I told my former roommate about this inexplicable first name, she sardonically replied, "What's her sister's name--LaTegrin?"
With the generally larger-than-average family, often saddled with the very ordinary surnames Smith, Johnson, or Young, it's not surprising that many Utah parents look for unique given names for their children. When you throw in the reverence for family and ancestors forwarded by the LDS Church, it seems inevitable that someone would end up with LaEarl, KDell, Arnolene or Hariella.
Some names, though, seem to defy description--if not pronunciation. While pride of place may have spawned Utahna, how did somebody come up with Wealtha? And while Lloydine's genesis seems plausible, how on earth were Printha or Noy coined? And I have no idea what constitutes the correct pronunciation for Kairle or Tawhnye. (I suspect they may be wildly creative spellings of Carol and Tonya.)
Perhaps the following list (by no means comprehensive) will amuse you. Perhaps it will offend you. Perhaps you will find your name, or the name of a relative, on it. Or perhaps you will be so enchanted by a particular name that you'll want to bestow it upon one of your own offspring. If that is your plan, first do this: go to the back door, fling it open and yell the name at the top of your lungs six or eight times, because that's how it's going to be heard for the next eighteen years. And remember, when little Wynante (boy or girl, you choose) grows up, you'll have to live with the consequences.
The new parents couldn't be happier: Gladell & Delightra (sisters), Luvit, Delecta, Delite, Joyette, Joi, Joyia, Joyellen, Joycell, Hallah Lujah [How about Hallah Back Y'all? --A.J.], Bliss, Joyanne
Cleanliness is next to Godliness: Zestpoole, Sparkle
The Ward Choir Director's Daughters: Aria, Audia, Aurel, Choral, LaVoice, Tonilee, Capella, Chime, Rocksan Violin
Jewels every one: Amulet, Pearlette, Pearlene, Emerald, JewlyAnn, Ahmre Jade, Treasure Tonya, Turquoise Nova, Sequin, Amethist.
Girls you just know have big, floofy hair: Blondeen, Rayette, Faundaree, Shazette, Shasheena, Honilynn, Najestica, Teasa, Shazzanna, Pluma, Bobbette, Blonda, Breezy, Wenderella, Aquanetta, Brinderella, Dazzlyn
Maybe they're in the Klingon Ward: Tchae, Xko, Corx, G'ni, Vvhs, Garn, Ka, Deauxti, Xymoya, Sha'Kira [Her older sister is called Macare'na.], Zy, Xela, Tscharna, Nivek, Zon'tl, Zagg, Xan, Judziah Datz (a female, named after a character in Star Trek), K'lar (ditto), Jarna Nazhalena, Chod, Xarek, Grik, Stod, T'Shara, Tral, Sherik, Curg
[I am Krang the Merciless!! And I'm a Mormon!]
The Worth of a Soul: Cashley
Astronomical: LeVoid, Sunan, Moonyene, Starlene, Sunelly, Luna, Lunia, Solinda, Sunirae, Staryl, Marandastarr, Season, Aries, Starlyn, Cressent, Celestial Starr, Summerlyn, Astrolena
Could only be LDS: Cumorah Hill, Liahonna, Ensign, Nauvoo, Kirtland, Templa, Templer, Tempella, Tempalia, Ziona, Deseret (and Desereta), Tabernacle, Woodruff, Pratt, Tithing, Quorum, Helamans Warrior, Iron Rod, Morona, Manti, Stripling, Nephi Courage, Celestial Glory, Celestian, Brighaminie, Zion, Xione (pronounced "zion")
Parents were BYU math majors: Alpha Mae, Seven, Seavenly, Twenty, Prime, Omega Lee, Jennyfivetina, Tenna [Mormon porn star: Tenna Tameson.], Elevena, Ninea, Eighta
[How would you like to be named after your birth order?]
You can name a kid this, but you shouldn't ingest it: Cola, Vinyl, Orlon, Chlorine, Clorene, Florene, Florine, Lexann, Dow, Tide, Downy, Codiene, Daquari, DeCon, Starbuck, Crayon, Treasure Cocaine
[Classy. Real classy.]
Names inspired by the family car: Audi, Fairlene, Celecta, Pontiac, Vonda, Vonza, Auto, Cherokee, Lexus, Porsche, Skylark, Truckston, Avis, Chevrollette, Chevonne, Caprice, Dodge
["Honey, nothing says class like Lexus. Now go make some jello."]
Wishful thinking: Darlin', Courage, Winsome, Justan Tru, Pictorianna, Paradise Sunrise, Sage, Angelic, Breed, Godlove, Myrth, LaVirgin, DeFonda Virtue, Chastice, Normalene, Lovie Angel, Precious Blessing, Heavenly Melanie, Glee, Mormon Beauty, Pledger, Jentill, Devota, Coy, Fondd, Bridella, Verna Noall, Vervine, Viva, Golden Noble, MarVel, MemRee, Brunette, Merrily, Merry Ann, Celestial, Cherrish, Kash, Cashelle, Teton, Forever, Luvit, Mystiq, Worthy, Truly, Pleasant, Speedy, Hereditary, Shrudilee, Halo, Gentry, Truthanne, Finita, Mavryck, Amen, Merrijane, Marvelous Man.
Dad's hobby is obvious: Justa Cowgirl, Rode O, Hazer, Durango, Rifle, Laker, Jazz, Truck. Granite, Garnet, Gneiss (and other sisters with rock names beginning with “G.”)
Conversational: Whisper, Chat
Indications of possible birthplace: Arizonia, Floria, Montania, Utah, Utahna, Idahana, Idaho, Mauntana [Flunk spelling, name you kid Mauntana. Study hard!], Michigan, Nevadna, Okla, Vermont, Wyoming, Wyoma, Cache, Jordana, Payson, Vernal, Boise, Brookelynn, Lexington, Demoyn, Fredonia, Leremy, Platte, Salina, Seattle, Takoma, Tulsa, Tustin, Vail, Lundyn, Londyn, Irelynd, Irelan, Madrid, Manila, Cairo, Damascus, Tyre, Desert, Shahara, Trinidad, Houston, Cachelyn, D'Asia, Edon, Takoda, Orem, Shannon doah, Davenport Shore
No man (or woman) is an island - exceptions: Oahu, Irlanda, Tonga, SeaBreaze, Tiki Lou
Possible conception placenames: Hilton, Nafeteria, Bridges, Castle
Indications of possible birthdates: Juneth, Junola, LaJune, Julyn, Halloween, Novella, Summerisa, Winnter, Christmas Holiday, Merrienoel, Kris Miss, Tuesdee, Aprella
The day dawn is breaking: Dawnae, Dawnia, Dawnel, Dawnelle, Dawnene, Dawnalyn, Dawnette, Karadawn, RaDawn, Keturah Dawn, SheriDawn, LuDawn, LaDawn, Le Dawn, El Dawn, Dawnetta, Dawnese, Mistidawn, Berva Dawn, Celestial Dawn, Bodawn, Honey Dawn, Sunrise, Dawny, Yodawn, Dawnika, Dawnray, Denverly Dawn, Sunni Dawn, Dusty Dawn, Taradawn, Twyla Dawn, Georgia Dawn, Iva Dawn, Marva Dawn
Dad was a plumber: Valva, BeDae, Latrina, La Jonne, Digger
Dad worked for the postal service: Mailene
Dad's a lawyer: Justicia
Dad had a hernia: Truss
Less is more: La, Oa, NB, T, M, Q, JJ
I hope the computer will accept apostrophes in the name fields: D'Ann, D'Aun, D'Bora, D'Dee, D'Elise, D'Loaf, D'Shara, E'all, L'Deane, L'orL, Ja'mon, J'Costa, J'dean, J'Leen, J'net, J'Shara, J'Vonna, La'Donis, Me'shell, M'Jean, M'Kaaylie, M'Kenna, Mi'Lara, M'Lisa, M'Liss, M'Lu, M'Recia, O'lea, R'dell, R'lene, Shan'l, Young'n, B'andra, De'lys, D'Dree
["And the called her... O'Lestra. She had the runs a lot."]
Future names of prescriptions: Lyravin, Monalaine, Nyleen, Merlaine, Monease, Naquel, Ronalene, Nylan, Rolayne, Tyron, Lexine, Lyrin, Mikatin, Artax, Xtrin, Tylene, Qedrin, Tamrin, Denilyn, Kevrin, Nicolin, Xylan, Tolex, Zylan, Daycal, Falycid, Zerin, Davon, Sydal
Wow! What a Babe!: Wavie, Zhalore, LaTanna, Tressa, LaDreama, Amourette
Fluid-related: Thermos, Soda, Logan River, Jordan River, Susquehannah, Canteen
When simple alphabetic characters aren't enough: K-8 (pronounced "Kate," I guess)
[Kids: that's happens when you're illiterate. Stay in school!]
Politically incorrect: Sambo, Aryion
[Maybe they weren't thinking "Aryan", but "Arian". Heretics gotta stick together!]
Heard chanted in the Salt Lake airport: Ara-Om
Has food connotations: Dianarea, Dicey, Vindalu, Blenda, Strawberry, Sugarlee, Beena, Pork Chop, Sesami, Jar, Karmel, Kresent, TaffiLyn, Chipo
Had breathing problems in the hospital nursery: Azure, Syrullean
You might find in a forest: Wrendie, Jilbear, Timber, Oaks, Pixie, LaFawnduh, Fawn-Dew, Ember, Bird, Magpie, Serenity Fawn, Paradi, L'Aire, Brookelle, Sylvan, Fawna, Lawn, Rain, Gazelle, El Fawn ["El" makes it masculine, "Fawn" makes it girly-poofy. El Fawn: expressing pride from Salt Lake City to San Francisco.], Aspen, Acacia, Panda, Briar, Rhodendra, Fernnola, Birdene, Hummingbird, Disney, Chinchilla Zest, Haven, Glade
No doubt about it, this kid's in charge: Rexina, Rexine, Queenola, Dominee, Ruger, Messiah Angel, Oden, RexDee, Navy, Jentry, Czar, LeeMaster, Quintessa, Marquessa, Leviathan, Captain.
Smells: Cachet, Reaka, Violeet, Avon, Budla
Faux ethnic: Laddie, Walkasheaqua, Bsjonet, Hishla, Chilnecha, Forthilda, Kaltighanna, Alainka, Chip-wa, Pawnece America, Zem Saxon, O'Ann, WaThene, Sheighlagh, Valliere
Commemorating something or another: Welcome Exile, Confederate American, Southern Justice, Liberty Lulu, Young Elizabeth, Genesis, MistiNoele, Imagine, Thankful Flood, Friends Forsaken, Joyous Noel, Tennyson, Knight Train, Miracles Precious One, Sunday's Hoseana, Disney, Blessing Ream, Stormy Shepherd, Denim Levi, Vernal Independence, Sincere Devotion, Mothers, Elvoid, Noah-Lot, Mormon Miracles, MyLae, Nightrain Lane, Zion Anakin, Jeopardee, Statehood, Denim Levi
Let's hope not: Rube, Sleeza, Nymphus, Golden P., Burns, Hydra, Non, Malis, Talon, Beefea, Patches, Storm, Slayer, Sterile, Slaughter, Jynx, Hyde, Prynne, StormiAnn, Sham, Apathy, DeRail, Dull, Gamble
In a class of their own (In fact, I'm not sure I believe these but we asked for details and a confirmation and got convincing replies, so here they are): NaLa'DeLuhRay, Phakelikaydenicia, Zaragrunudgeyon ("Zarg," for short), Jennyfivetina, Tiarrhea, Nudity, VulvaMae, DaLinda LaDale, Tugdick, Saunsceneyouray, and, yes... Clitoris.
["Well, it sounded pretty when the doctor said it, and my wife Placenta likes it."]
Guaranteed to get last place on our list (or anyone else's): ZZkora
I can't think of anything clever to write but these must be mentioned: Barbeli, Revo Cram, Feramorz, Glint, LaNondus, Wynante, Camera, Lecoya, AureJudd, NaNon, Bimberly, DavidO, Leumas ("Samuel" backwards), Ralphene, Shimber, T-vive, Synthi, CoJane, Nona-rene, Gaylawn, Txanton, LaZello, Daycal, Sancie D'Wan, RaVoe, Zenus, Gatobon, LaEarl, Trystal, AndiOdette, Serenity-Tabitha-Ann, Alexavier, X Y Zella, Bonquisha, Musser Cenia, Jubeltine, Oryeon, Shlori, Danlonaga, Zedwain, Casualeen, Young'n, Shambertine Crille, Canon, Malique, LeeWitt, Jazzeri, DeRaunz, Teru, Aaro, Divid, Cimemthymia, LaDonnaJosephrania, LaDeeDee, deRalph, MaddLynAlain, Vyquetoriya, Falycid, Rophis, Mick BonScott, Kaysional Tempest, Darianlelo, DeLaVerne, BoChe', Minnet, Kandle, Seena Tawnya, Dwodger, J Thoral, Xanderrick, Abcde, KNikkol, Demeatrice, LLean Shanalyn, Scytha Solena, HiDee
Your Spirit brother!
All Spirit babies
are spirit siblings!
Dear Sister and Brethen help me to hold my tongue!
Was this a lie?
From Time magazine interview with Hinckley August 4, 1997
On whether the LDS Church holds that, "God the Father was once a man, he sounded uncertain, I dont know that we teach it. I dont know that we emphasize it ... I understand the philosophical background behind it, but I dont know a lot about it, and I dont think others know a lot about it," Hinckley told Time.
And they think the idea of the Trinity is too confusing. :-)
The Subject is cloning?
You do know the differents don't you?
I am starting to wonder about you!
Rest, first of all your position is nuts. You stated: clones evolve from a test tuble and when they expire they they no longer exist not even in the spirit world, and are NOT resurrected on Judgement Day!
So the implication is that babies who are conceived or evolve??? in a test tube have no soul. Now if you mean that only cloned test tube babies have no soul that still does not make your argument any more sane. Your position on this case completely lacks any scientific or theological basis. The fact of the matter is that there are millions of clones in this world today. I used to date one. About one in every 100 births is a clone.
Now if you can give me any scriptural or scientific basis for your theory that these people have no soul, I would appreciate it.
And is your position the official position of the LDS Authorities?
A Clone is DNA from a previous living or living being!
Test tube babies are created from a ~
Sperm & Egg
There are no proven human clones in existence !
Yet PM said he dated one!
"The fact of the matter is that there are millions of clones in this world today. I used to date one. About one in every 100 births is a clone."
Another such example is a woman in SLC heard about a hospital in Guatamala who were wrapping the babies in newspaper to send home with their mothers. This LDS woman sprang into action, and enlisted the women in her ward's Relief Society to make quilts for newborns for this orphanage. I know upwards of 800 quilts were sent down in a very short time. A woman in my home ward who is a quadriplegic (she has limited use of her hands and arms) has made over 400 dresses for little girls, the dresses are sent to Africa. In the ward I am visiting right now, at our RS Enrichment night, we put together 370 newborn kits (comprising a fleece blanket, a nightie, a pair of booties, a pkg of diaper pins, a bar of soap, and some white cloth for diapers.) The women in that ward had spent the previous six months sewing the blankets, booties, and nighties, and donated the money for the other items. I don't want to go on because I feel like I am boasting.
I think it is wonderful what Samaritan's Gift is doing. I went out to their website and looked around. Wow, it is very impressive. I think the point is to serve others who are less fortunate than we are, where ever they may be. The members of the LDS church have always been active in serving others and providing service to the communities that they live in. It has been very exciting to have the Humanitarian Center also, each ward has a couple of specialists that are assigned to organize activities that will bless the lives of others. I've made blankets that are donated to the police department to give to frightened children who are taken from their parents for whatever reason (abuse, etc). On an ongoing basis, I knit tropical sore bandages (for those who suffer from leprosy). They range from 4 feet to 7.5 feet long.
I guess I didn't realize it was a competition between churches to see how much we donate monetarily to others, or how much time. I think the point is that we serve others, as we have been admonished by Jesus Christ: "Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me."
If you want more information about the Humanitarian Center or other things that the LDS church does in service to other, here is the URL: Humanitarian Center. For me, it is exciting to have such resources available, I try my best to serve in the local community, but it is a good feeling also to be able to give to those in immediate need also overseas, etc.
And one more item I found (sorry, I didn't mean to go on so long). Humanitarian Services often partners with other humanitarian organizations to help provide relief to those in need. The impact is much greater than each organization could have made alone. Humanitarian Services partners with organizations that have a strong local presence and understand local needs.
However, I will set the record straight on my father and others who serve as mission presidents (I have firsthand knowledge of that.) They are provided a home to live in, a car to drive, and a frugal budget. They are called for three years and serve 24/7. The money comes from the tithes of the members of the LDS church. He was very blessed to be called to serve the Lord in this capacity, and did so honorably.
And I do not begrudge any of our leaders anything. You may cast aspersions upon their heads, if they are misspending the money for "nice suits", they will be held accountable for it. Period. It is kind of ironic that you say that poor people can't serve in the LDS church or be called to certain positions because of money, and yet if they have temporal needs, you then cast aspersions because they are taking money from the LDS church for those temporal needs while serving.
For me, it is an act of faith to pay my tithing. I am showing obedience to my Heavenly Father and to Jesus Christ by doing so. I have seen in my life blessings for paying tithing, I have seen how that tithing money is spent. It is not wasted, the people administering the money are very careful and prayerful in their decisions. It is also an act of faith to trust in the Lord and in those whom he has directed to use tithes properly. Audits do go on in the LDS church, each ward is accountable for the money that comes in and is spent, each stake is, and so on up the line.
But I think it is more titillating to say that the figures aren't made public, so of course some hanky panky MUST be going on. I like to have more trust than that.
BTW who makes a profit on the sale of the underwear ..that is handled by the local bishop right? What other things is he the middle man for? Does he have a credit card for fuel etc?
No profit is made from the sales of garments. I can give you prices, it is well under what underwear costs, that is all I will say. No, one can purchase them at Distribution Centers, at Beehive Clothing stores (located in various communities, mostly in Utah), and in the same communities as there are temples. There is no middle man who gets paid. The bishop is not the middle man, and doesn't have a credit card from teh LDS church. There are no secretive people getting rich off of our tithing funds. It just isn't so.
I've been in leadership positions, and been in ward council meetings where the ward yearly budget is discussed. It is out in the open, and is discussed at the yearly ward conferences, where the ward clerk makes an accounting of the funds for that ward. You really are barking up the wrong tree here.
No, it is not considered a virtue to lie. Where are you getting this information from? Yikes. The LDS church does work with Catholic charities, there are some places where the charities have been established, and the two churches work together to fill the needs of those in that area.
KJV Luke 11:42
42. But woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over judgment and the love of God: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.KJV Luke 18:10-13
10. Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.
11. The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
12. I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
13. And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
NIV Leviticus 27:30
30. "`A tithe of everything from the land, whether grain from the soil or fruit from the trees, belongs to the LORD; it is holy to the LORD.NIV Numbers 18:21
21. "I give to the Levites all the tithes in Israel as their inheritance in return for the work they do while serving at the Tent of Meeting.NIV Deuteronomy 12:5-6
5. But you are to seek the place the LORD your God will choose from among all your tribes to put his Name there for his dwelling. To that place you must go;
6. there bring your burnt offerings and sacrifices, your tithes and special gifts, what you have vowed to give and your freewill offerings, and the firstborn of your herds and flocks.NIV 2 Chronicles 31:5-6
5. As soon as the order went out, the Israelites generously gave the firstfruits of their grain, new wine, oil and honey and all that the fields produced. They brought a great amount, a tithe of everything.
6. The men of Israel and Judah who lived in the towns of Judah also brought a tithe of their herds and flocks and a tithe of the holy things dedicated to the LORD their God, and they piled them in heaps.NIV Malachi 3:8-10
8. "Will a man rob God? Yet you rob me. "But you ask, `How do we rob you?' "In tithes and offerings.
9. You are under a curse--the whole nation of you--because you are robbing me.
10. Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse, that there may be food in my house. Test me in this," says the LORD Almighty, "and see if I will not throw open the floodgates of heaven and pour out so much blessing that you will not have room enough for it.
KJV Hebrews 7:1-12
1. For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;
2. To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;
3. Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.
4. Now consider how great this man was, unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils.
5. And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:
6. But he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises.
7. And without all contradiction the less is blessed of the better.
8. And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth.
9. And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham.
10. For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him.
11. If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
12. For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
The Scriptures teach that GOD is the owner of all persons and things, that men His stewards of both life and possessions, that GOD's ownership and man's stewardship ought to be acknowledged, and that men shall be held personally accountable to GOD for the exercise of their stewardship. To this end all His children should faithfully tithe and present offerings for the support of the gospel.STOREHOUSE TITHING: Storehouse tithing is a scriptural and practical performance of faithfully and regularly placing the tithe into the church to which the member belongs. Therefore, the financing of the church shall be based on the plan of storehouse tithing, and The Wesleyan Church shall be regarded by all its people as the storehouse. All who are a part of The Wesleyan Church are urged to contribute faithfully one-tenth of all their increase as a minimum financial obligation to the Lord and freewill offerings in addition as GOD has prospered them.
NIV Genesis 14:20
20. And blessed be God Most High, who delivered your enemies into your hand." Then Abram gave him a tenth of everything.NIV Genesis 28:22
22. and this stone that I have set up as a pillar will be God's house, and of all that you give me I will give you a tenth."
NIV Leviticus 27:30-32
30. "`A tithe of everything from the land, whether grain from the soil or fruit from the trees, belongs to the LORD; it is holy to the LORD.
31. If a man redeems any of his tithe, he must add a fifth of the value to it.
32. The entire tithe of the herd and flock--every tenth animal that passes under the shepherd's rod--will be holy to the LORD.NIV Deuteronomy 14:22
22. Be sure to set aside a tenth of all that your fields produce each year.NIV Proverbs 3:9
9. Honor the LORD with your wealth, with the firstfruits of all your crops;NIV Proverbs 3:9-10
9. Honor the LORD with your wealth, with the firstfruits of all your crops;
10. then your barns will be filled to overflowing, and your vats will brim over with new wine.NIV Proverbs 11:24-25
24. One man gives freely, yet gains even more; another withholds unduly, but comes to poverty.
25. A generous man will prosper; he who refreshes others will himself be refreshed.NIV Malachi 3:10-11
10. Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse, that there may be food in my house. Test me in this," says the LORD Almighty, "and see if I will not throw open the floodgates of heaven and pour out so much blessing that you will not have room enough for it.
11. I will prevent pests from devouring your crops, and the vines in your fields will not cast their fruit," says the LORD Almighty.NIV Matthew 23:23
23. "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices--mint, dill and cummin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law--justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former.NIV Acts 4:34-35
34. There were no needy persons among them. For from time to time those who owned lands or houses sold them, brought the money from the sales
35. and put it at the apostles' feet, and it was distributed to anyone as he had need.NIV Acts 6:1-4
1. In those days when the number of disciples was increasing, the Grecian Jews among them complained against the Hebraic Jews because their widows were being overlooked in the daily distribution of food.
2. So the Twelve gathered all the disciples together and said, "It would not be right for us to neglect the ministry of the word of God in order to wait on tables.
3. Brothers, choose seven men from among you who are known to be full of the Spirit and wisdom. We will turn this responsibility over to them
4. and will give our attention to prayer and the ministry of the word."NIV 1 Corinthians 16:1-2
1. Now about the collection for God's people: Do what I told the Galatian churches to do.
2. On the first day of every week, each one of you should set aside a sum of money in keeping with his income, saving it up, so that when I come no collections will have to be made.NIV 2 Corinthians 8:13-15
13. Our desire is not that others might be relieved while you are hard pressed, but that there might be equality.
14. At the present time your plenty will supply what they need, so that in turn their plenty will supply what you need. Then there will be equality,
15. as it is written: "He who gathered much did not have too much, and he who gathered little did not have too little."NIV Hebrews 7:1-91. This Melchizedek was king of Salem and priest of God Most High. He met Abraham returning from the defeat of the kings and blessed him,
2. and Abraham gave him a tenth of everything. First, his name means "king of righteousness"; then also, "king of Salem" means "king of peace."
..6. This man, however, did not trace his descent from Levi, yet he collected a tenth from Abraham and blessed him who had the promises.
..9. One might even say that Levi, who collects the tenth, paid the tenth through Abraham,
NIV Luke 6:38
38. Give, and it will be given to you. A good measure, pressed down, shaken together and running over, will be poured into your lap. For with the measure you use, it will be measured to you."
2 Corinthians 91. There is no need for me to write to you about this service to the saints.
2. For I know your eagerness to help, and I have been boasting about it to the Macedonians, telling them that since last year you in Achaia were ready to give; and your enthusiasm has stirred most of them to action.
3. But I am sending the brothers in order that our boasting about you in this matter should not prove hollow, but that you may be ready, as I said you would be.
4. For if any Macedonians come with me and find you unprepared, we--not to say anything about you--would be ashamed of having been so confident.
5. So I thought it necessary to urge the brothers to visit you in advance and finish the arrangements for the generous gift you had promised. Then it will be ready as a generous gift, not as one grudgingly given.
6. Remember this: Whoever sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and whoever sows generously will also reap generously.
7. Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.
8. And God is able to make all grace abound to you, so that in all things at all times, having all that you need, you will abound in every good work.
9. As it is written: "He has scattered abroad his gifts to the poor; his righteousness endures forever."
10. Now he who supplies seed to the sower and bread for food will also supply and increase your store of seed and will enlarge the harvest of your righteousness.
11. You will be made rich in every way so that you can be generous on every occasion, and through us your generosity will result in thanksgiving to God.
12. This service that you perform is not only supplying the needs of God's people but is also overflowing in many expressions of thanks to God.
13. Because of the service by which you have proved yourselves, men will praise God for the obedience that accompanies your confession of the gospel of Christ, and for your generosity in sharing with them and with everyone else.
14. And in their prayers for you their hearts will go out to you, because of the surpassing grace God has given you.
15. Thanks be to God for his indescribable gift!
What the 10% does is help one to keep their focus on the Lord in many areas in their life.
When one is consistant soon the blessing will over flow and it has happen for many of the LDS that have been faithful.
Some still are caught because of debt and living beyond one means and it dose make it a struggle to fullfil. Yet when the effort is applied along with prayer and daily scripture reading the Lord is able to free up those forces that was holding one hostatge. There are endless stories of where folks were in great trouble money wise and when they learn the laws of money they are amazed how the same amount could meet those obligations. And the door opens for an increase in funds.
This is learning how to exercise faith and grow in the ways of the Lord! One of the ways to exercise the Spiritual muscle!
I think it is wise not to let anti-LDS know where the LDS invest the money. We get enough oppostion in trying to build the Lord's Temples, or other land investments or what ever the Lord servants need to do to fulfill the Lord work!
This sort of reminds me how some liberals wants our President to tell all what he knows about the sites of Saddam Arms hideouts to be revealed.
Some time when there is a war or a spiritual war it is not wise to show your hand!
I will not post a LONG treatise on this issue here, as others have chosen to do, but I will refer you to Biblical teaching on this subject. The Christian and Government: Paying Your Taxes
The relevant section is about 1/3rd of the way down, under the heading:
2. In Israel. When God established the nation of Israel, did He have a taxation system?
a) The Lord's tithe
I humbly offer this lesson as a means of expanding the discussion and bringing another perspective to the issue. Please take the time to read it, it is very well done.
Got news for you spirits are wait to enter the body of the baby! And when you die the spirit returns to God until Judgement day unless you are wicked then you reside inspirit prison!
SO! if a Spirit returns than it had to pre-exist!
Yet if you read this same words in a novel about a father and son you would not put them in the same spiritual forum.
It is a fact Jesus has a resurrected Body of Flesh and Bone! So if he is the Son of Heavenly Father, His Father to would have a Body of Flesh and Bone! It is you guys that reject logic!
The Bible teaches that to reveal Himself to mortal man, the Second Person of the Trinity humbled Himself, and took on flesh, and became a Man - John 1:14
And the Man, the Second Adam, died on a Cross for you and me, to take away our sin, and to make available to us eternal life.
36 ¶ And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.
38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?
39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
(those who die are spirit and Jesus is explaining that he has a resurrected body not like those who die and had to wait to receive the resurrected body)
40 And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.
41 And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?
42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.
43 And he took it, and did eat before them.
44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
48 And ye are witnesses of these things.
49 ¶ And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.
50 ¶ And he led them out as far as to Bethany, and he lifted up his hands, and blessed them.
51 And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from them, and carried up into heaven.
52 And they worshipped him, and returned to Jerusalem with great joy:
53 And were continually in the temple, praising and blessing God. Amen.
Now who has a Spirit?
2-Fallen angels like Lucifer! will never receive a body of Flesh and Bone
3-Those who pass on are leave their mortal body and are Spirits until Judgement Day
Who has an immortal Body?
1-Jesus has a resurrected body of Flesh and Bone
2-Two angels men in Sodam during the time of Lot
3-Those who rose from the grave after the resurrection of Jesus.
4-Two Angels that were there when Jesus accendant to Heaven!
The Father and Son are one in mind.
The Son Talks to the Father and the Heavenly Father talks to the Son.
The Father said this is my beloved Son hear him.
24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him MUST worship him in spirit and in truth.
So we to MUST worship God in SPIRIT! Our Spirits are to worship God.(we are also Spirit and body of Flesh and Blood!
17 Now unto the King ETERNAL, IMMORTAL, IMVISIBLE, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen
Now we read that the Heavenly Father is -
The light of the Heavenly Father is so bright that you could not endur seeing him in you natural form.
Jesus is -
1- Eternal- (so are our spirits eternal)
3- Invisible- Now we would have to be taken up not in our natural state to see him.
The Random House Webster's Unabridged Dictionary defines 'eisegesis' as: an interpretation, esp. of Scripture, that expresses the interpreter's own ideas, bias, or the like, rather than the meaning of the text.
To continue this thread with you would make me guilty of casting "pearls before swine."
Enjoy your twisted, tortured re-interpretation of Scripture. My guess, if you are like most Mormons,is that none of what you have said is based on your own thinking, but has been fed to you by false prophets, who are anit-Christ.
So, barring some amazing twist, I am through on this thread.
Our prophets and our apostles are some of the most profoundly wise men ever put on this planet.
Which group comes in second, the Imperial Wizards of the Ku Klux Klan?
Ah, racism is beside the point.
The real issue is, is the Mormon Jesus the real Jesus? It's been argued over, here and elsewhere. But I don't think anyone's yet asked a simple question. If the Mormon Jesus isn't the real Jesus, who is he?
No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. (John 6:44)
But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I had said unto you. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: and I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any hand pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them to me, is greater than all, and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. I and my Father are one. (John 10:25-30And who do the Mormons attribute the above teachings to?
Joe Smith flipped Jesus and Satan.
The Mormon Jesus is Satan.
As the_doc would say, Mormons are caught in a weird trap: they worship Satan, and they don't even know it.
Can the blind lead the blind? Shall they not both fall into a ditch? (Luke 6:39b)
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