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Priest (Fr. Benedict Groeschel) plays down abuse crisis; helps clergy keep jobs
Dallas Morning News | 3/2/2003 | Brooks Egerton

Posted on 03/02/2003 8:54:18 AM PST by sinkspur

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To: sinkspur
Reread the quote in the article. Your quote is not accurate. Fr. Groeschel is not quoted as referencing the pervert as anything but a "poor priest". He certainly did not refer to him as a "good man" but rather as a "sick man." Who can disagree? However criminal or sinful, that priest/pervert's behavior is certainly sick.
101 posted on 03/03/2003 8:45:22 AM PST by BlackElk (Viva Cristo Rey!)
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To: B Knotts
And a tip of the antlers to you, sir, for discovering and exposing the real root of this article: the zealous hatred of the Roman Catholic Church by the "gays" and lesbians and specifically by Mr. or Ms. Brooks Egerton in his/her/its capacity as chairman of the Texas Chapter of the National Gay and Lesbian Journalists. Do members of his/her/its group implicitly tell the lies necessary to the support of their perversions as a condition of membership?
102 posted on 03/03/2003 8:51:32 AM PST by BlackElk (Viva Cristo Rey!)
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To: Dajjal
Speaking of agendas!!!!!!!!!!!!
103 posted on 03/03/2003 9:09:16 AM PST by BlackElk (Viva Cristo Rey!)
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To: BlackElk
Happy to be of service! :-)
104 posted on 03/03/2003 9:34:59 AM PST by B Knotts
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To: BlackElk
Well done, BE.
105 posted on 03/03/2003 10:25:02 AM PST by Antoninus (In hoc signo, vinces †)
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To: BlackElk; sandyeggo; american colleen; Polycarp; Siobhan
Your argument relies rather ridiculously on the premise of "the author is a fag, we won't believe him". What are you going to do when you embarrassedly realize that the facts stated were correct? Just how will you spin that one?

I am going to point out that in the past few months, the uber Catholics of FR have pretty much destroyed a previously thriving and pleasant Catholic Caucus that had a lot of participants and several non-Catholic defenders. Think about it - how many Catholics want to post and hear the endless screams of "you're not Catholic enough" from those of you who are more theologically pure than the Curia? Already, only a handful of you post in order to pat one another on the back, you are occasionally joined by a very few SSPX folks, and sinkspur is about the only person on here who has the wit and the patience to put up with this nonsense on a routine basis.

You want to know why your Church is in crisis? Look in a mirror, and ask yourself how you treat all around you.

106 posted on 03/03/2003 10:51:17 AM PST by Chancellor Palpatine (those who unilaterally beat their swords into plowshares wind up plowing for those who don't)
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To: Chancellor Palpatine; BlackElk
Look in a mirror, and ask yourself how you treat all around you.

Go back to your nude cruises, you moral degenerate.

You are in no position to lecture us Catholics here.

107 posted on 03/03/2003 10:57:47 AM PST by Polycarp
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To: sinkspur
For later read.
108 posted on 03/03/2003 10:57:52 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
What are you going to do when you embarrassedly realize that the facts stated were correct? Just how will you spin that one?

Groeschel has counseled literally hundres of priests. If he had a recidivism rate of 3 out of several hundred, that's not too damn bad.

Go back under your rock, troll.

109 posted on 03/03/2003 11:00:19 AM PST by Polycarp
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
Are you offereing your criticism as an ambassador for the Dark Side of the Force or as an Eastern Orthodox layman or as a 'clothing optional' enthusiast?
110 posted on 03/03/2003 11:01:40 AM PST by Siobhan (Saint Joseph, pray for us.)
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To: Polycarp
In other words, you won't address the fact that average, everyday Catholics no longer feel comfortable posting to Catholic threads here on FR. I'm saying that it is directly related to the scorn, derision and moral condecension heaped by your merry little band upon any of those who dare to differ from your stern theological line - especially as evidenced by your reaction to this article.
111 posted on 03/03/2003 11:04:13 AM PST by Chancellor Palpatine (those who unilaterally beat their swords into plowshares wind up plowing for those who don't)
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To: Siobhan
I'm offering this up as someone who just read a nasty and shameful treatment of a poster and a topic. You are the one who should be most embarrassed of all, because you were nastiest, and I can say I find your invocation of a prayer in tagline to be the grossest display of pharisaic hypocrisy I've ever seen on this board.
112 posted on 03/03/2003 11:08:57 AM PST by Chancellor Palpatine (those who unilaterally beat their swords into plowshares wind up plowing for those who don't)
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To: Chancellor Palpatine; Siobhan
Get behind me, Satan:

To: MarMema

Nor do you.

All one needs do is review Chancellor Palpitine's posts for the last several months to see that 1) he is a recent convert to Orthodoxy, 2) he is frequently engaged in discussions of legal issues/law cases, and uses language familiar to the legal profession (not medicine, as he has claimed to me to be in the med field) 3) he frequently discusses/criticizes the red-neck culture of his southern state and surrounding states (to the complete abscence of any comments about his earlier supposed location of Alaska, which he has since changed to "USA") 4) he is still obsessed with posting Catholic clergy scandal stories, and uses exactly the same phrases in his screeds, 5) he is still obsessed with anti-Catholic views that have no roots in reality, and 6) he pings the same anti-Catholics to threads now as he did under the OPH screen name, 7) he attacks the same Catholic FReepers as he did under the OPH screen name, 8) he makes the same anti-pro-lifer comments as he did under the OPH screen name, and 9) he makes the same inane statements about my own profession as he did under the OPH screen name.

The gigs up, MarMena. It doesn't take a rocket scientist.

I also know that regardless of his abuse victimhood, there is simply no excuse for CP/OPH's behavior, willful deceptions, and slanders on this forum.

Again, I have seen you post too many bogus anti-Catholic statements to trust that you would not help hide OPH's identity. Dishonesty is usually habitual.


40 posted on 01/19/2003 9:34 PM EST by Polycarp ("I am a Christian...so I do not expect "history" to be anything but a long defeat.." --JRR Tolkien)
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To: MarMema; sinkspur

do you really check posts

When a poster habitually slanders an entire faith and all its adherents, then leaves the forum, only to be replaced by another poster using the same one-trick-pony bigotry, its not a bad idea to figure out why.

Especially when that poster's objectivity, and thus veracity, is compromised by extensive subjective involvement in the issue under debate.

Sink,

I stand by my assertion. OPH has obviously decided that now that he is "anonymous" using this new screen name, he can insult any Catholic he damn well pleases.

Just how many Kentucky (?)-lawyer-convert-to-Orthodoxy-anti-Catholic-sex-scandal-obsessed Americans do you think live in this country?

And of those few, how many do you think FREep?

Its OPH till proven otherwise Sink.

Sorry your old buddy OPH has decided to screw you too. You are Catholic, and under his new screen name, you're fair game.


45 posted on 01/20/2003 1:44 AM EST by Polycarp ("I am a Christian...so I do not expect "history" to be anything but a long defeat.." --JRR Tolkien)
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To: MarMema

Is OPH taking the naked cruise or the naked flight? He posted a personal journal on these threads a couple of years ago about the nudist cruise vacation he took with his wife. It was bizarre. That completely framed his every post against the church, for me, from that day forward. One Particular Harbor couldn't overcome his own particular guilt, or lack thereof, and the Church's unyielding official standard of morality was a bit nettlesome for him. He had a fascination with porn and stripping and defending Orthdoxy over Catholicism. Well, MarMema, you keep company with him? I am not surprised. Paging Chancellor Palpatine-be sure to always carry sunblock. V's wife.


63 posted on 01/20/2003 11:19 AM EST by ventana
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To: ventana

Didn't OPH leave the Forum over a revelation of marital infidelity?


65 posted on 01/20/2003 11:58 AM EST by Polycarp ("I am a Christian...so I do not expect "history" to be anything but a long defeat.." --JRR Tolkien)
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To: Polycarp

I don't know about that, I just know he went on this wacky trip and his wife went and everybody was standing around on board the cruise sipping cocktails in their birthday suits, and I found the whole thing bizarre. Especially since he was also fond of talking up the benefits of strip clubs and massage parlors. While also talking down the Church. Actually, on a lot of other posts he was a funny, informed guy who sounded like a pretty good lawyer. I just always thought his fixation on porn stuff and strippers and particularly his cruise, seemed a little odd, especially after he set himself up to tackle the sins of Church. I also find it and found it odd with him, that the position so many non Catholic's take is that we loyal Catholics in any way excuse pervert priests: nobody does! Nor does anyone to my knowledge excuse negligent hierarchs. We may be greived, but we don't excuse. It seems like a convenient way for people who already hate Catholicism to vent. And they expect us to throw the baby out with the bathwater. We have a problem, we are talking about it. In recognizing it, it seems silly for them to expect us to leave the Church. I didn't leave the USA when Bill Clinton was President, I did start freeping a lot. Anyway, in all things charity. I wish there were more charity between non-C's and C's. Similarly, between Orthodox C's and the more mainstream. I like reading what you, or American Colleen or Ultima and Sinkspur have to say. I find others in the Protestant camp informative. I only wish we could explain our differences and yet maintain charity towards each other. V's wife.


70 posted on 01/20/2003 12:48 PM EST by ventana
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113 posted on 03/03/2003 11:10:59 AM PST by Polycarp
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
Thank you so very much. Coming from you I am encouraged more than you can know!
114 posted on 03/03/2003 11:12:39 AM PST by Siobhan (Saint Joseph, pray for us.)
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To: Polycarp
Non-sequitur.

Address your responsibility for what you've done to the Catholic Caucus.

115 posted on 03/03/2003 11:17:19 AM PST by Chancellor Palpatine (those who unilaterally beat their swords into plowshares wind up plowing for those who don't)
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To: Siobhan; Chancellor Palpatine
Coming from you I am encouraged more than you can know!

LOL!!!

he went on this wacky trip and his wife went and everybody was standing around on board the cruise sipping cocktails in their birthday suits, and I found the whole thing bizarre. Especially since he was also fond of talking up the benefits of strip clubs and massage parlors. While also talking down the Church.

...his fixation on porn stuff and strippers and particularly his cruise, seemed a little odd, especially after he set himself up to tackle the sins of Church.

116 posted on 03/03/2003 11:21:20 AM PST by Polycarp
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
LOL! I owe no more answers to you, pervert, than Groeschel owes to the pervert author of this hit piece.
117 posted on 03/03/2003 11:22:23 AM PST by Polycarp
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To: Chancellor Palpatine; .45MAN; AKA Elena; al_c; american colleen; Angelus Errare; Antoninus; ...
average, everyday Catholics no longer feel comfortable posting to Catholic threads here on FR...directly related to the scorn, derision and moral condecension heaped by your merry little band upon any of those who dare to differ from your stern theological line

Address your responsibility for what you've done to the Catholic Caucus.

Let the Catholic Caucus address it.

Catholic Caucus,

I'm also pinging the approximately 80 Catholics on my ping list. If I have sinned against you, mea culpa.

(If I have not, please join me in politely telling Chancellor Palpatine --otherwise known as One_Particular_Harbour-- to get lost ;-)

118 posted on 03/03/2003 12:22:08 PM PST by Polycarp
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To: Polycarp
this is a waste of time

naturally old pants-on-fire-palpatine will claim that ANYone who responds favorably is no doiffeent than old ornery evil polycarp

we'll see
119 posted on 03/03/2003 12:34:32 PM PST by Notwithstanding
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To: Chancellor Palpatine; Polycarp; Siobhan; sinkspur
Why don't you stop harrassing this poor priest? He is a sick man. You are wrong for what you are doing to him.

I doubt whether Fr. Groeschel said exactly what is quoted and remember we do not know how long they talked and what Mr. Serrano was doing to "harrass". But for the sake of the argument say the quote is accurate.

What would our opinion of Father be,if as a priest and/or confessor and/or psychologist he had said,"It's healthy to continue harrassing this poor priest. He is a sick man and you are right in doing what you're doing to him"?

After all "Vengeance is mine said the Lord". And,in the natural world as well as the supernatural,at a certain livel of understanding everyone agrees that is futile and self defeating to carry hate,anger and venom on the journey home.

And I say this while not a particular fan of Father G.,who is too saintly,gentle and kind to be my cup of tea. However,I think the writer of the article is a person with an agenda,and that agenda does not call for finding that an active homosexual clergy is for the most part responsible for the current scandal.

120 posted on 03/03/2003 12:37:42 PM PST by saradippity
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
Just can't keep away from the Catholic threads, can you?

It's like an illness with you.

121 posted on 03/03/2003 12:38:02 PM PST by american colleen (Christe Eleison!)
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To: Polycarp
Luke 6
32 "If you love those who love you, what benefit is that to you? For even sinners love those who love them.
33 And if you do good to those who do good to you, what benefit is that to you? For even sinners do the same.
35 But love your enemies, and do good, expecting nothing in return, and your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, for he is kind to the ungrateful and the evil.
122 posted on 03/03/2003 12:47:52 PM PST by Maximilian
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To: Maximilian
Thank you, Maximilian. I needed to see that right now.
123 posted on 03/03/2003 12:49:23 PM PST by Polycarp
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To: Polycarp; Chancellor Palpatine
If there's anything that's made Catholics uncomfortable around Free Republic it's the Catholic Bashers like you, the Nutty Nurse, etc., etc.

Apostates, miscreants, heathens, pagans--hey, most of those kinds pose no problem for freeping Catholics. We can and do handle the arguments, respecting the dissenting opinions while not sharing them.

It's the ranting, bilious hatemongerers who get mighty tiresome. The same old slanders, the same old lies, the same old bile. That's you, Chancellor. Tiresome and pathetic.

124 posted on 03/03/2003 12:56:11 PM PST by d-back
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To: Chancellor Palpatine; Polycarp; ninenot; Antoninus; Siobhan; american colleen; Campion; ...
With a first name like Brooks, the author may be a fag, may be a lesbian, may be a transsexual or any of the rest of the exotic flora and fauna cultivated by those who resist Western Civilization but the author is definitely a newsie with an agenda, else why even belong to much less lead the faggot/lesbian propagandists organization of Texas, no less.

It would be just as bad as if the author of the propagandistic hit piece were, say OPH nude cruising with a barrel of Margaritas.

CP or OPH or whomever or whatever you may be, you are apparently still operating under twin delusions: the delusion of competence and thge delusion that your opinion matters. Time is ticking and your eternal flaming future awaits. If you are not a Catholic, the business of Holy Mother the Church is none of your business.

As to the "Catholics" whom you disingenuously defend, if they are not Catholic enough, they are not Catholic. Got it?

126 posted on 03/03/2003 1:02:59 PM PST by BlackElk (Viva Cristo Rey!)
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To: Chancellor Palpatine; Polycarp; Siobhan
Okay, I'm confused. A good Catholic wants to talk about inside Catholic issues and how we all could be better Catholics and live good Catholic lives and he's the one causing trouble?

Not the one who comes here to stir the pot?
127 posted on 03/03/2003 1:03:15 PM PST by Desdemona (Maybe too much Beethoven over the weekend?)
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To: Chancellor Palpatine; Antoninus; ninenot; Siobhan; american colleen; sandyeggo; Campion; ...
If the Church happens to be in crisis (when was it not?) that is simply because it is the Church which Satan deems worthy of attack. The one with the Mass, the sacraments and no silly pretensions of becoming part of God when we die; the one founded by Jesus Christ Himself and guaranteed for all time by him.

You and Brooks can stuff your criticisms. You are in no position to offer us the cities below and, if you were, we would not be accepting the offer any more than Christ did. The gates of hell will not prevail and that includes you and Brooks.

128 posted on 03/03/2003 1:09:37 PM PST by BlackElk (Viva Cristo Rey!)
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To: BlackElk; sinkspur
as if the author of the propagandistic hit piece were, say OPH nude cruising with a barrel of Margaritas

Well said.

But I expect crap to roll out of an a$$hole like CP/OPH.

I'm really disappointed in sinkspur more than anything.

129 posted on 03/03/2003 1:10:06 PM PST by Polycarp
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
That's, ummm, Jesus Christ's stern theological line. We simply obey and follow. It's a wonderfuylly liberating experience which you ought to try some time before it is too late for your unlikely salvation.
130 posted on 03/03/2003 1:13:04 PM PST by BlackElk (Viva Cristo Rey!)
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To: Polycarp
I'm an average, everyday Catholic if there ever was one, and won't hesitate to post my opinion on any subject, anywhere, even the Catholic threads.

One doesn't have to hold a certificate in Advanced Catholicism 501 to post in the FR religion forum.

To be quite honest, I could probably use a good preachin' to occasionally, but nobody has ever done it to me.

131 posted on 03/03/2003 1:34:58 PM PST by Kryptonite (Free Miguel)
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To: Polycarp; All
I've been avoiding this food fight, but since my name has been taken in vain...

I've no beef with Polycarp. Doesn't mean I always agree with him.

OTOH, there is a contingent on this forum of people who aren't Catholic, who repeat every vile falsehood in the book about the Catholic Church, and who go out of their way to repeat those falsehoods in spite of repeated correction. I have come to believe that those people are not interested in the truth, and that the truth is not in them. These people also turn many potentially intersting threads (both supportive of and critical of the Church) into sewers.

Y'all know who you are.
132 posted on 03/03/2003 1:35:30 PM PST by ArrogantBustard
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To: Kryptonite
I could probably use a good preachin' to occasionally, but nobody has ever done it to me.

Careful whatcha ask fer ;-)

133 posted on 03/03/2003 1:36:36 PM PST by Polycarp
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To: sandyeggo
LOL - if you notice, you were included in a very small subset I addressed directly from their comments on this thread. "Everyday" is not a word I would use to describe you - where I come from, you are way out on the wingnut fringe of the RCC, as are the others I listed.
135 posted on 03/03/2003 1:58:22 PM PST by Chancellor Palpatine (those who unilaterally beat their swords into plowshares wind up plowing for those who don't)
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
Glad to see you're following along, Chancellor Pervert.
136 posted on 03/03/2003 2:10:38 PM PST by Polycarp
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To: sandyeggo
way out on the wingnut fringe

That's a badge of honor. Wear it proudly. It means you're part of the faithful remnant.

137 posted on 03/03/2003 2:12:04 PM PST by Polycarp
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To: sandyeggo; Chancellor Palpatine
CP:i have wracked my brain trying to remember Catholics who once posted and were chased off by us mean-spirited Catholics,who remain posting on FR.

I know Catholic Guy and allend were banned but I think they were more in tune with those of us who remain than those for whom you seem to speak.Then there was Theresa,who did get involved in something about ecumenism and could have been turned off.A couple of others have commented they had to focus more on their daily work and families and were cutting down,one person said they were becoming addicted and needed to stop for a while.So other than Theresa,I can't think of any Catholic who stopped posting regularly, I would be interested in any names you can come up with since none of us want to scare people away,dialogue sharpens our wits,our faith and our thinking.

139 posted on 03/03/2003 2:18:25 PM PST by saradippity
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
Dear Chancellor Palpatine,

Well, I notice that I wasn't addressed formally as one of the "fringe wingnut RCs", so I suppose I am just an ordinary, average, everyday Catholic. This I affirm.

I've been spending less time here for other reasons than who posts and who does not. But what encourages me to post, when I post, is the friendship and fellowship of Polycarp, BlackElk, sandyeggo, saradippity, JMJ333, Aquinasfan, St.Chuck, Siobhan, Salvation, american colleen, Desdemona, ArrogantBustard, NYer, Notwithstanding, sinkspur, patent, SoothingDave, RobbyS, ThomasMore, and others.

What discourages me is having to encounter the likes of you and other Catholic haters, as well as those who are or near to schism.


sitetest
140 posted on 03/03/2003 2:25:35 PM PST by sitetest
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To: sitetest; Polycarp; BlackElk; sandyeggo; saradippity; JMJ333; Aquinasfan; St.Chuck; Siobhan; ...
I've been spending less time here for other reasons than who posts and who does not. But what encourages me to post, when I post, is the friendship and fellowship of Polycarp, BlackElk, sandyeggo, saradippity, JMJ333, Aquinasfan, St.Chuck, Siobhan, Salvation, american colleen, Desdemona, ArrogantBustard, NYer, Notwithstanding, sinkspur, patent, SoothingDave, RobbyS, ThomasMore, and others.

AMEN! I also consider every single one of the people you just listed to be my kindred in faith, along with others who post here. I have also fought with CP, and this poster is full of more hate than the "Jack Chick" posters. While most of them have been mislead about the Catholic Church, CP knows what he is doing. The best thing to do is to pray for CP, for it is the best way to show Christian love, for Christ said to love your enemies. The other thing to remember is these Beatitudes:
"Blessed are they who are persecuted for the sake of righeousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Blessed are you when they insult you and persecute you and utter every kind of evil against you [falsely] because of me. Rejoice and be glad, for your reward will be great in heaven. Thus they persecuted the prophets who were before you."

(Matthew 5:10-12)

141 posted on 03/03/2003 2:38:23 PM PST by Pyro7480 (+ Vive Jesus! (Live Jesus!) +)
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To: Pyro7480
Also, if I may add to my post above, we may disagree with any of these people at times, but we can be sure, for the most part, that they are not going to unreasonable with us. That is something I can be happy about.
142 posted on 03/03/2003 2:40:34 PM PST by Pyro7480 (+ Vive Jesus! (Live Jesus!) +)
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To: Pyro7480
we may disagree with any of these people at times, but we can be sure, for the most part, that they are not going to unreasonable with us.

Very true, my friend.

143 posted on 03/03/2003 4:08:18 PM PST by Desdemona
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To: Polycarp
While I've appreciated many of the fine posts, flags and research you've brought to the forum, the perpetual grandstanding and fisticuffs have grown old.

Try to stay focused. Palpatine's not worthy of your time save in prayer.

If you must post to him (as all of us do from time to time), try and resist the urge to ping the entire list to a a personal catfight.

Honestly, it's just such nonsense -- along with the endless reinventing of the wheel wrangling with the worst of the Catholic bashers -- that turned me off the Religion Forum entirely ... save for the flags I get to substantive and truly edifying articles. Just not worth the time to wade through junk like this.

I really do hope and pray -- for the sake of your blood pressure, much less the time better spent elsewhere or with your family -- that you find the grace to ignore entirely the hissing of the same old serpents.

It's just a matter of picking battles. I, for one, think your energies are sorely needed on far more potentially fruitful projects.

144 posted on 03/03/2003 4:28:51 PM PST by Askel5
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To: Askel5; Polycarp
It's just a matter of picking battles.

Well stated! I used to enjoy the Catholic Forum but I've pretty much abandoned it because EVERYTHING seems to be a battle. There are some members (CatholicGuy, for example) who seem to be out for blood every time they post, seeking heresy under every stone, and then there are the people who make the mistake of responding to them.

I scan the forum every now and then and respond to pings, but I found that all a regular reading of it did was to raise my blood pressure and lower my charity.

The best response to people like CP - or even particularly angry Catholics - is just to ignore them, pray for them, and then have rational discussions with people who are - well, rational.

145 posted on 03/03/2003 6:10:09 PM PST by livius
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To: livius
I scan the forum every now and then and respond to pings, but I found that all a regular reading of it did was to raise my blood pressure and lower my charity.

AMEN to that last part. Everyone could use an added reserve of charity in their affairs on the relgion forum. This requires prayer. I admit, I have been uncharitable on a few occasions (to some of the usual suspects, of course), but I enjoy discussing with the others, who are rational, too.

146 posted on 03/03/2003 6:22:26 PM PST by Pyro7480 (+ Vive Jesus! (Live Jesus!) +)
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To: livius
I've pretty much abandoned it because EVERYTHING seems to be a battle.

While what you say is true about the battle, it wouldn't be so bad if people didn't rise to the bait. Not only that, but, IMO, calling people Satan is counter-productive.

To top it off, everybody seems to be on a hair-trigger. Cabin fever maybe?

That being said, I do still at least read the threads, even if some of the comments are over the top.
147 posted on 03/03/2003 6:39:36 PM PST by Desdemona
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To: Desdemona; Polycarp; american colleen; sandyeggo; sinkspur; BlackElk; ultima ratio
To top it off, everybody seems to be on a hair-trigger. Cabin fever maybe?

Which is why I have decided neither to post nor lurk on FreeRepublic for Lent. The time I spend here could well be put to better use.

See you all after Easter.

148 posted on 03/03/2003 6:48:29 PM PST by Loyalist
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To: saradippity; Polycarp
Since I was pinged on this, I will say that I generally stay out of any religion threads except the most neutral ("Here's some cool information!" "Yeah, that is cool! Thanks!" ) because of the hostility and intemperate language that seem to be much too common among a group of people all calling themselves Christians, of whatever denomination. (Do I get a run-on prize for that sentence?)

I take the directions on this input screen, including "NO personal attacks," seriously, and I find name-calling unbecoming, scandalous, and frankly boring.

We can all be civil. It's perfectly possible to express ourselves strongly without vulgarity or ad hominem attacks. That's why we have the Unabridged Dictionary ... there's a civilized English phrase for every need!

149 posted on 03/03/2003 6:54:43 PM PST by Tax-chick (I'm from Oklahoma, the center of the universe.)
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
I am going to point out that in the past few months, the uber Catholics of FR have pretty much destroyed a previously thriving and pleasant Catholic Caucus that had a lot of participants and several non-Catholic defenders.

Only in your deluded, petulant little mind. Any "thriving, pleasant Catholic Caucus" did not include you, in any of your incarnations. You are a constant grouser, a Church-hater, and it is utterly impossible to have a reasonable conversation with you.
150 posted on 03/03/2003 7:24:04 PM PST by Antoninus (In hoc signo, vinces †)
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