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Posts by Dutchboy88

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  • How Narnia and Middle Earth helped an atheist professor find her faith

    11/26/2014 11:37:32 AM PST · 20 of 20
    Dutchboy88 to fatez

    Agreed.

  • Time to Stop the Moderator Masochism

    11/26/2014 8:55:31 AM PST · 33 of 53
    Dutchboy88 to Blood of Tyrants
    I’ve always wondered why the GOP agrees to a debate with liberal moderators who always side with the Rat."

    Good point. Why not Rush Limbaugh, Alex Jones, Sean Hannity as moderators?

  • Satan at His Most Subtle: A Reflection on the Temptations and Traps of the Pious

    11/26/2014 8:36:13 AM PST · 144 of 160
    Dutchboy88 to Bayard
    "I don’t have to refute anything."

    You don't have to refute anything? I beg to differ. Your cult-like organization makes the claim that the true body of believers, their "Church", teaches the Gospel of Jesus Christ and it includes each of those things I mentioned (and several others). I absolutely, unequivocally deny this claim and further say, these are man-made, fabrications of homemade religion. Your job of refutation is to show that I am wrong and these are, in fact, taught clearly in the Scriptures.

    The topics themselves are descriptors of the content and I was challenging you, or any RC, to provide solid biblical evidence of their truthfulness. All you need to do is provide the passages wherein the ideas are taught. Where is "popery" taught? Where is an "indulgence" taught? Where is the "absolution of sin by a man" taught? Where is "purgatory" taught? Where is "veneration (and worship) of Mary as the co-redemptrix" taught? Must I go on or can you get the idea?

    We biblicists can point to precisely where salvation by grace, through faith, alone is taught (Eph. 2). We can point to where it is taught that God chooses those He will rescue (Rom. 9). We can point to the sufficiency and perspicuity of the Bible (II Tim. 3:16,17). We can point to the depravity and helplessness of man (Rom. 3). All I am asking is for you, too, to point to where your organization's doctrines are taught in the Scripture. Or admit that they are made up by your organization, not supported in the Scriptures.

  • Satan at His Most Subtle: A Reflection on the Temptations and Traps of the Pious

    11/26/2014 8:16:44 AM PST · 143 of 160
    Dutchboy88 to LurkingSince'98
    "to be a protestant is to be ignorant of history"

    Well, then to be a Roman Catholic is to be ignorant of the Scriptures.

    "protestants never read the Church Fathers yet they act out as you do"

    And, Roman Catholics never read the original writers of the epistles...and they clearly do not act like they do.

  • How Narnia and Middle Earth helped an atheist professor find her faith

    11/26/2014 8:12:55 AM PST · 18 of 20
    Dutchboy88 to fatez

    Interesting...a katholic. If by this you mean, “the universal gathering of believers”, then I follow. But, if you mean, “I am with Rome on this, except for Mary.”, then I would suggest you consider the rest of their doctrines as carefully as you did the Mariolatry. You got that part right.

  • How Narnia and Middle Earth helped an atheist professor find her faith

    11/25/2014 4:06:30 PM PST · 5 of 20
    Dutchboy88 to NYer

    The “Marian” devotion may prove to be her new religion...tragically.

  • There’s no getting around Jesus’ teaching on the age of the earth

    11/25/2014 2:22:15 PM PST · 86 of 103
    Dutchboy88 to what's up
    "Some people see this as the injection of Christ ("let there be light"...the light of God) before any thing else was created."

    Interesting take. Do you agree with this perspective?

  • Satan at His Most Subtle: A Reflection on the Temptations and Traps of the Pious

    11/25/2014 2:21:16 PM PST · 115 of 160
    Dutchboy88 to Bayard
    "Been there, got the degree.

    Ditto, my FRiend. Done exegesis in Koine' Greek. But, that is not the point. So far you have not refuted any of those doctrines I mentioned as spurious. Give us the passages which support all that Romish error and you may have something...until then, you are barking at the moon.

  • Satan at His Most Subtle: A Reflection on the Temptations and Traps of the Pious

    11/25/2014 10:47:41 AM PST · 103 of 160
    Dutchboy88 to SpirituTuo
    "What troubles me is that you persist in this."

    Perhaps you have the wrong FReeper in mind here. Here is the last post between us and you were the poster.

    "Thank you for your kind wishes for Thanksgiving. Studying ancient history doesn’t presume not studying Sacred Scripture. On the contrary, they enhance each other.

    We will have to agree to disagree as to doctrines we believe."

    I let it go at that.

  • There’s no getting around Jesus’ teaching on the age of the earth

    11/25/2014 9:17:51 AM PST · 46 of 103
    Dutchboy88 to oldtech
    "You can’t pick out the parts in the Bible that you like & believe them only."

    With all due respect, the issue is not particularly a "pick and choose" mentality. The term in Hebrew for "day" can mean "24 hour day", "time", "era" or "age" or several other possibilities. Less than 3000 different Hebrew words serve to fill the entire OT and those words must therefore stretch to a wide variety of meanings, depending on context. Moving them into English correctly is at the root of the problem, since we have approx. 14 million different words.

    An example of why some folks believe in a longer creation period is that "morning and evening, one (day)" appears before the moon and sun were in "place". Or at least before they were visible on earth. Thus, they may not be trying to avoid the literal, but are trying to get to actual literal. And, their view is simply bolstered by what science thinks, not controlled by it.

    But, if it turns out that all of this happened in 6 24 hour "days", I don't know of any of them that would be angry. They just think the text is literally describing something different.

    As far as what Jesus said, His remark, if it refers to the beginning of creation of men and women, is not injured by a longer period of creation.

  • Satan at His Most Subtle: A Reflection on the Temptations and Traps of the Pious

    11/25/2014 8:34:41 AM PST · 99 of 160
    Dutchboy88 to Bayard; metmom
    "Your words are just those of a scoffer, which scripture tells people not to pay attention to anyway."

    Well, I certainly do not mean to "scoff" (whatever you mean by that odd term). I certainly do mean to expose the errant teaching of the cult-like organization call the "RCC". So much error exists in it that if there are elect among that body, it is in spite of the teaching, not because of it.

    Someday you may wish to read the entire epistle to the Romans and notice how Paul decodes the Scriptural story line into a unified message of grace. Your "works" oriented organization (utilizing absolution of sin, sacerdotalism, purgatory, indulgences, paternosters, genuflecting, crossing oneself, candles, icons, etc.) simply does not understand what he is getting at.

    Ask metmom (who escaped the clutches of Rome) to describe the wonder and joy of experiencing the grace of Jesus, alone. It is possible to be found in Him, not having a righteousness of your own, but of His.

    This is, again, not scoffing but offering you a correction of the misunderstanding your organization has been delivering for many years. My job is to gently offer this and wait to see if God grants you a change of mind. II Tim. 2:24ff.

  • Satan at His Most Subtle: A Reflection on the Temptations and Traps of the Pious

    11/25/2014 8:04:28 AM PST · 96 of 160
    Dutchboy88 to SpirituTuo
    "It has been a life-long pursuit."

    Tragically, that did not include a life-long study of the Bible. In it you would have found doctrines quite different from those your organization promulgates. And, yes, I will be very thankful this Thanksgiving day. The same to you.

  • Satan at His Most Subtle: A Reflection on the Temptations and Traps of the Pious

    11/24/2014 3:38:04 PM PST · 86 of 160
    Dutchboy88 to Bayard
    "Why should I bother? Your list was incoherent, and was just bating for responses. I don’t have to sit back here and figure out some new interpretation of scripture to defend Catholic doctrine."

    My list was incoherent? Let me try again and see if this is more coherent...no such thing as absolution of sin, no such thing as indulgences, no such thing as purgatory, no such thing as sacerdotalism, no such thing as popery, no such thing as the seven sacraments, no such thing as Mariolatry, no such thing as gold-covered cathedrals, no such thing as transubstantiation...whew. If that is incoherent, then we are going to get you some reading lessons for Christmas. Just find any of this in the Bible and we are listening.

  • Satan at His Most Subtle: A Reflection on the Temptations and Traps of the Pious

    11/24/2014 3:33:56 PM PST · 85 of 160
    Dutchboy88 to SpirituTuo

    I certainly do not believe that Rome had anything to do with establishing the collection of books we call the Bible. That is a fabrication of your cult-like organization. If you were unafraid of what you might find, you should read a real history of Rome...you would swim the Tiber the other direction.

  • Satan at His Most Subtle: A Reflection on the Temptations and Traps of the Pious

    11/24/2014 1:18:29 PM PST · 74 of 160
    Dutchboy88 to SpirituTuo

    You are struggling to justify the errant doctrines of Rome. Please tell me which of those errant doctrines you can find in the Scripture. Rome has left the very book that it pretends to have delivered to the world.

  • Satan at His Most Subtle: A Reflection on the Temptations and Traps of the Pious

    11/24/2014 12:21:18 PM PST · 58 of 160
    Dutchboy88 to SpirituTuo

    Well, if you are going by years of error, then you should be a Jew (3500 years since Moses) or one of the Asian cults (they all claim conflicting start dates). The RCC did not even get off the ground until approx. 300AD with the established “religion” of Constantine. The first century gatherings did not look anything like the cult-like operation of Rome, my FRiend. And, no, there is no newsletter...it already exists in the Bible. Read it and pay close attention to the entire story line.

  • Satan at His Most Subtle: A Reflection on the Temptations and Traps of the Pious

    11/24/2014 12:01:32 PM PST · 53 of 160
    Dutchboy88 to CynicalBear
    "Wait till he hears that the Catholic Church says they serve the same god as Muslims."

    Go for the jugular!

  • Satan at His Most Subtle: A Reflection on the Temptations and Traps of the Pious

    11/24/2014 11:47:17 AM PST · 49 of 160
    Dutchboy88 to SpirituTuo
    "What makes you think everything is in the Bible? The word “trinity” isn’t in the Bible. The Bible doesn’t say, “Believe the Bible.” Your argument doesn’t hold for basic reasons. The Bible, as a single volume, didn’t exist until over 400 years after the Resurrection. The books of Bible were assembled into the volume, thus impossible to reference themselves as a volume."

    There is so much error here, it is difficult to know where to start. But, I will try. First, the Scriptures do actually say to "Believe the Bible". II Tim 3:16ff, "All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work." Again, please read that Bible...the RCC does not teach what is in it.

    And, again, you are incorrect about the Bible existing 400 years after the resurrection. The entire Hebrew text existed during Jesus' day. He referred to it multiple times. The balance of the texts were done no later than 92AD (likely I II III John). But, the descriptions of the "real Gospel" are clearly mapped out by Paul in Romans (circa 57AD). And, by this point we Gentiles are grafted in and the material is directly pointed at us (notice Eph. 2).

    But, I still ask you which of the errant doctrines I mentioned as promulgated by the RCC is actually taught in the Scriptures?

  • Satan at His Most Subtle: A Reflection on the Temptations and Traps of the Pious

    11/24/2014 11:30:36 AM PST · 45 of 160
    Dutchboy88 to SpirituTuo
    "Referring to the “Real Gospel,” do you (sic) those written by Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John? Those are the ones I read and believe."

    Well, you may check the Greek text. It is your English publisher that added "The Gospel..." The text says, "According to Matthew", "According to Mark", et al.

    And, no, I suspect you don't do those things described by Jesus in those texts. Check Matt. 5:48, for one. For that matter, read the so-called Lord's Prayer. Are you sure you are doing it? Or the so-called Golden Rule? That clearly says it is the "Law and the Prophets"...not the Gospel of Jesus Christ. And, if you are a Gentile, you are reading someone else's mail if you are trying to "do" Matt. Mark Luke & John, my FRiend.

  • Satan at His Most Subtle: A Reflection on the Temptations and Traps of the Pious

    11/24/2014 11:21:43 AM PST · 39 of 160
    Dutchboy88 to CynicalBear
    "For instance, did you know that the Catholic Church admits that it includes Babylonian paganism in it's beliefs and rituals?"

    That's gonna leave a mark...

  • Satan at His Most Subtle: A Reflection on the Temptations and Traps of the Pious

    11/24/2014 10:41:42 AM PST · 31 of 160
    Dutchboy88 to Bayard
    "You don’t know anything about Catholics or the Catholic Church."

    I know a lot about good, sound biblical theology and I know that the RCC does not comport with such. If you would like to let us know where in Scripture any of the errant doctrines I mentioned are actually taught, I am interested.

  • Satan at His Most Subtle: A Reflection on the Temptations and Traps of the Pious

    11/24/2014 10:17:43 AM PST · 29 of 160
    Dutchboy88 to SpirituTuo

    As I suspected...no rebuttal. Would you care to hear the real Gospel of Jesus Christ or do you want to continue to hold the traditions of Rome?

  • Satan at His Most Subtle: A Reflection on the Temptations and Traps of the Pious

    11/24/2014 10:11:06 AM PST · 27 of 160
    Dutchboy88 to SpirituTuo
    "Believe what you will, however, your statements are not straight about Catholicism."

    I am not believing what I will...these are doctrines which are not biblical. Your organization promotes errant theology and we are trying to keep the readership here informed about this problem. If you can find any of them in Scripture, feel free to rebut my post.

  • Satan at His Most Subtle: A Reflection on the Temptations and Traps of the Pious

    11/24/2014 9:08:11 AM PST · 22 of 160
    Dutchboy88 to elcid1970
    "What else do you believe about Catholics? That we’re a bunch of drunks & our priests are perverts?"

    Well, my FRiend, if the RCC were other than a cult-like organization, it would read the Bible carefully and notice there is no absolution of sin, there is no purgatory, there is no indulgence, there is no sacerdotalism, there is no Mariolatry, there is no pope (and certainly no unbroken line), there are no seven sacraments, there are no gold lined cathedrals, there is no penance, there is no celibacy, and a dozen other spurious doctrines...none of which teach grace, alone, through faith in Jesus. But, honestly, yes, there are an awful lot of perverts among the so-called priesthood.

  • Liberal Challenges Mike Rowe to Explain How a Christian (or Anyone) Could Vote Republican

    11/24/2014 8:48:03 AM PST · 32 of 43
    Dutchboy88 to mikeus_maximus
    "“So then, as we have opportunity, let us do good to everyone” and uses that to override everything else He and His apostles said."

    Agreed. It is clear that when a person resorts to such reductionism, they are not a believer.

  • Satan at His Most Subtle: A Reflection on the Temptations and Traps of the Pious

    11/24/2014 8:25:28 AM PST · 13 of 160
    Dutchboy88 to elcid1970; Dr. Thorne
    "Protestant troll."

    Troll? The good doctor is trying to help you escape the very things the OP claims detract from real piety. Your organization traffics in these distractions and he is rightly pointing out their harm. Read the Bible and you will notice that he is spot on.

  • Liberal Challenges Mike Rowe to Explain How a Christian (or Anyone) Could Vote Republican

    11/24/2014 8:05:19 AM PST · 16 of 43
    Dutchboy88 to Westbrook
    "How could a Christian vote for a party that ...

    * formally supports abortion upto and including the moment of birth

    * supports the destruction of traditional marriage and family

    * validates and celebrates sodomy

    * supports feeding people who are capable of working but refuse to do so

    * persecutes public Christian expression

    * vilifies Christians that cannot align to their agenda by reason of conscience

    * and, worst of all, boos the mention of God at their national convention."

    Absolutely spot on. Had to reprint in its entirety!

  • End of communism not all good for Christianity: Vatican

    11/23/2014 7:25:42 AM PST · 65 of 67
    Dutchboy88 to Talisker

    Well, certainly one of us is misunderstanding the Gospel of grace of Jesus Christ. One of us is trying, the other has been found.

  • Immigration and the Word of God. [vanity]

    11/21/2014 8:34:53 AM PST · 2 of 27
    Dutchboy88 to huldah1776
    "Just that every time I read that we are not to oppress the alien, I get that twinge. Is it false guilt? Someone familiar with historical Jewish law around?"

    Not only false guilt, you have a false hermeneutic. Check the development of the story line and find where Gentiles are actually grafted into the picture.

  • Hugh Hewitt Argues Against the Afterlife and God's Reward

    11/21/2014 8:07:24 AM PST · 63 of 65
    Dutchboy88 to SierraWasp

    I’ve heard about 10,000 of these same errant messages. If you read the text...the man is incorrect.

  • End of communism not all good for Christianity: Vatican

    11/21/2014 8:03:45 AM PST · 63 of 67
    Dutchboy88 to Talisker
    "“Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”"

    Tragically, you cannot even read your own post. Read the text, my FRiend. "...in the Law". Yes, of course, this would be a perfect life. Unfortunately, according to Paul, you do not do this. But, the blindness of your heart, the scales over your eyes keeps you "trying"...but failing. When this is all over, we shall see who's hermeneutic was "dry as dust".

  • Hugh Hewitt Argues Against the Afterlife and God's Reward

    11/20/2014 3:24:02 PM PST · 49 of 65
    Dutchboy88 to SierraWasp
    "Well, not really because the rest of the bible (other than just the story of Jacob and Esau and the conclusion you have drawn from it) teaches that a lot of the evidence of God's love for us comes in our free choice to love him back and serve him by keeping all ten of his commandments."

    Please provide some evidence that the Bible teaches you have "free will". That is, if I understand your use of it, you mean, "Men make decisions that are completely free from the influence of God's management." I do not find this anywhere in the Bible. But, predestination is all over the place. For example...

    Romans 8:29ff: For those God foreknew He also predestined to be conformed to the likeness of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brothers. And those whom He predestined, he also called (notice, He picks you out, then predestines you, THEN calls); and those He called, He also justified; those He justified, he also glorified.

    Further, please notice Rom. 3:21ff: But now a righteousness from God, apart from "the ten commandments" has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify...For we maintain that that a man is justified by faith apart from observing "the ten commandments".

    And, I certainly do not understand the Scriptures to be teaching that God is "arbitrary and capricious" in His selections. Those may be words you ascribe to Him if you cannot understand why He may have chosen someone, but they are not my words. I find Him inscrutable, infinite, holy beyond description in human words. His judgments are perfect. But....they are not based on our reasonings. If this bothers one's sensibilities, well, as Paul says, "Too bad. Who are you to answer back to God?" But, I certainly fought this for a number of years until I became persuaded that this is exactly what makes God God. He is controlling everything, everywhere, at all times.

    But, grace to you, my FRiend. Maybe another time.

  • Hugh Hewitt Argues Against the Afterlife and God's Reward

    11/20/2014 2:05:05 PM PST · 45 of 65
    Dutchboy88 to ravenwolf
    "I believe that to be true, not only in my own life but also by what Paul said about it"

    Absolutely true...myself included.

  • Luis Gutierrez: Americans Disapprove of Exec Amnesty Because They Have Not Been Explained What It Is

    11/20/2014 2:03:53 PM PST · 28 of 32
    Dutchboy88 to machogirl
    "McCain is going to be signing his book this Monday at Changing Hands Bookstore in Tempe. Perhaps he should meet some of his constituents?"

    Excellent idea...thanks.

  • Luis Gutierrez: Americans Disapprove of Exec Amnesty Because They Have Not Been Explained What It Is

    11/20/2014 1:08:10 PM PST · 17 of 32
    Dutchboy88 to Tailgunner Joe

    Call your senator right now and demand action or you will vote against them in the next election they face. I just called Flake’s and McCain’s offices and told them “We hired the senator to stop this rogue emperor. Now, tell him to stop Obama today.”

  • (Warning) Graphic “Bro-Choice” Video Promotes Forcing Women to Have Abortions

    11/20/2014 12:52:23 PM PST · 24 of 31
    Dutchboy88 to Morgana
    "Can a man keep his pants zipped up and not get her pregnant in the first place?"

    No kidding...great comeback.

  • Hugh Hewitt Argues Against the Afterlife and God's Reward

    11/20/2014 12:23:54 PM PST · 40 of 65
    Dutchboy88 to SierraWasp
    "Isn't the top comment exactly what you said? Are you confused? Or is it me?"

    LOL. It is probably my explanation. The statements are all uniformly true. God has selected some for rescue. Their behavior, their characters, their natures do not affect His decision. Notice, Romans 9:11ff, "...Yet, before the twins were born or had done anything good or bad - in order that God's purpose in election might stand, not by works but by Him who calls - she (Rebecca) was told, "The older will serve the younger." just as it is written, "Jacob I loved, Esau I hated."....So then, it does not depend on the man who chooses or the man who exerts effort, but on God's mercy...Therefore God has mercy on whom He wants to have mercy, and He hardens whom He wants to harden."

    The selection for salvation is entirely in God's hands and He does not select based upon works of any sort. If that is settled, then Paul is entirely right to make the follow on statement. Once a man is rescued (again, not based on anything he has done, thought, wanted previously, etc.), God has set out things which He has appointed for him to do...good things. But, do rescued men always do them? No. David, Moses, Solomon, Paul, Peter, et al to a man did awful things after they were rescued.

    Men, men chosen by God for salvation, simply do not always do those things which are appropriate. If this is what HH is getting at, then he is right. If he is saying, men who are rescued will love to murder, rape, steal, and call it good...then he is mistaken. There is a fine line between doing the evil and loving to do the evil. One sees their evil and hates it. The other sees the evil and wallows in it.

    But, definitely, Praeger (as a Jew who believes the Law is teaching him how to be "good") would disagree with this. He mistakenly thinks the Mosaic Law is for training purposes to make men fit for heaven. He thinks that the Judge will weigh the lives of men and save those "worthy of life". This is, according to Paul, (Rom. 3) a misunderstanding and misuse of the Law. Does that help?

  • Hugh Hewitt Argues Against the Afterlife and God's Reward

    11/20/2014 11:37:22 AM PST · 37 of 65
    Dutchboy88 to SierraWasp
    ""For we are his workmanship created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. (emphasis added of course)"

    Please notice, this is absolutely true and not at all in conflict with my remarks. God has "ordained" or "appointed" good works that we should walk in them. Do we do so? Well, occasionally. Do we fail? Routinely. Ask Paul in Rom. 7 if he did it all the time. I believe his answer is crystal clear.

  • Hugh Hewitt Argues Against the Afterlife and God's Reward

    11/20/2014 10:31:14 AM PST · 19 of 65
    Dutchboy88 to ifinnegan
    Didn't hear the interchange, but actually Hewitt would be representing the Scriptural perspective on this matter. Read Eph. 2 and Paul is clearly saying that there is no connection between a man's work and the gift of salvation granted to him. If HH means that after the man is rescued, he still has no regard for good/evil, then HH may still be partially correct. Notice, David raped Bathsheba, murdered her husband, after God chose him king. David continued to strut like a big-shot around the house, until confronted by Nathan.

    Following that confrontation by Nathan, David was devastated by his evil...but it had happened nonetheless. So, men who are rescued may still behave wickedly...and despise it (Rom. 7).

  • End of communism not all good for Christianity: Vatican

    11/20/2014 9:05:43 AM PST · 60 of 67
    Dutchboy88 to Talisker
    "You seen satisfied with your perspective, too. So does it follow that you should be questioned as to whether you are being consistent with your perspective?"

    The answer to your first question is, yes, I am being consistent. Because, as I mentioned, my hermeneutic "...helps me understand that Jesus is not telling us to do this." Your hermeneutic, by understanding that there is a "most important commandment" directed at you, implies that you should be doing all of the commandments He taught. One of those is, "You must be perfect as your Heavenly Father is perfect."

    "And if not, then why should I be? And if so, then why didn't you answer your own question?"

    As I said, I am being consistent because my hermeneutic informs me that Jesus was speaking to the Jews, teaching them exactly how burdensome the Mosaic Law was with regard to self-righteousness. Either do it perfectly...or die. Your hermeneutic has led you to the view that Jesus is teaching Christian living (the common view) or, if the word Christian bothers you, "spiritual living". But, your hermeneutic is incorrect. Thus, your attempt is incorrect and proven by your inability to, "...be perfect as your Heavenly Father is perfect." If you question this, simply try to be perfect for an hour...then let us know if it worked.

    "Well isn't that handy for you! Because you didn't seem to realize that when you asked me if I was doing it. When applied to you though, all of a sudden it's nuanced. Not to mention that you don't explain what Jesus was "getting at." Must have been an oversight."

    No oversight, my FRiend. I am absolutely willing to admit in public on a billboard that I am not perfect and cannot be perfect and will not be perfect and don't even want to be perfect. Well, I kind of want to be perfect, but with Paul, I find another law at work in my flesh. But, you did not ask, "Say, what exactly are you getting at here?" So, I did not want to burden you with info you did not ask for. Since you now ask, or shall I say, claim I made this "oversight", it is now appropriate for me to explain.

    Clearly, if you follow the story line of the Scriptures along, you and I as Gentiles are "grafted in" following the cross of Jesus. That is, in time, space history, we are not included in the broader rescue effort until after the crucifixion. Notice, Eph. 2:11ff. This is not weird "theology", but practical reading of the text. Go look yourself and notice in Matt. 15:24, Jesus Himself says that (at the time) He was sent "...only to the lost sheep of Israel." He calls us Gentiles "dogs". His broader inclusion of you and me does not yet happen until His blood is shed. Thus, in Matt., Mark, Luke, John you are reading someone else's mail. Again, not special "theology", just good hermeneutics, my FRiend.

    Sorry for the zinger on the "apology" thing. You are right...that was uncalled for. But, it was not due to some deep theological claim I am making. The theology of the Scriptures is that the message of rescue is unfolding over time, across history. And, if we read the text, the whole text, smoothly front to back, we see what applies to us and what is directed to others.

    The great majority of the world believes the Bible is much like a spiritual encyclopedia. That is, if you want to know about "love", you just find where it appears and read those passages. But, the text is actually like a historical novel. That is, you have to read it through from front to back to see what is actually going on. Just as things change in a "novel", things change in the Bible. Shrimp cannot be eaten in Leviticus, but by Mark 8, Jesus pronounces it clean. How can that be? Well, unclean food was a picture of unclean people...notice Acts 10.

    In the same way (unfolding over time), Jesus' words (for the most part) are not directed at Gentiles. He is speaking to His Jewish family. And, just as you likely would not read some command from God to Joshua and get up and try to conquer the Middle East based on that command, you have been reading the "commands" of Jesus and doing just that...trying to do what He is speaking to others. I was trying to bring this to light.

    And, I agree with the stupid "degree" thing. Forget it. I just threw that in because you said I had spoken (written) with no knowledge. I just wanted you to understand these were not just some spurious cult-like remarks (like Rome makes about purgatory, sacerdotalism, indulgences, etc.) without anything to support them. I don't actually believe the degree proves diddly. If you wish to interact more about these matters, I will oblige.

  • This One Police Department Shot 92 Dogs in Three Years. One of the Officers Has Killed 25 By Himself

    11/19/2014 2:47:55 PM PST · 121 of 161
    Dutchboy88 to kanawa

    Ping to 117

  • This One Police Department Shot 92 Dogs in Three Years. One of the Officers Has Killed 25 By Himself

    11/19/2014 2:07:51 PM PST · 117 of 161
    Dutchboy88 to zeugma

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3228838/posts

    Go look at the REAL concern America is facing. Let them shoot the stupid dogs. Wake up and see what the Founder of FR is posting.

  • This One Police Department Shot 92 Dogs in Three Years. One of the Officers Has Killed 25 By Himself

    11/19/2014 2:02:44 PM PST · 113 of 161
    Dutchboy88 to zeugma
    "I'm sure there are some Fergeson threads out there that you can find to drool over."

    Well, at least we know your pants are hanging low and you are out there with your brudders ready to rumble. Between your work on the dog and your hate for LOEs, you multi-taskers are carefully watching the border invasion. Amazing...grow up.

  • This One Police Department Shot 92 Dogs in Three Years. One of the Officers Has Killed 25 By Himself

    11/19/2014 1:42:51 PM PST · 105 of 161
    Dutchboy88 to kanawa
    "If this topic is unimportant to you, why are you here?"

    If all you guys do is whine about hating LOEs because a bunch of dogs get shot, all the while the border is about to be overrun and the only help you are going to get is from LOEs, I find this unbelievably pathetic. Grow up and leave the petty stuff alone.

  • This One Police Department Shot 92 Dogs in Three Years. One of the Officers Has Killed 25 By Himself

    11/19/2014 1:14:21 PM PST · 88 of 161
    Dutchboy88 to zeugma
    "Do your local cops ever get tired of you humping their legs?"

    Obviously you learned that from your dog...

  • This One Police Department Shot 92 Dogs in Three Years. One of the Officers Has Killed 25 By Himself

    11/19/2014 12:38:21 PM PST · 78 of 161
    Dutchboy88 to zeugma

    Well, the adults here deal with topics which are important while your crowd goes around worshipping dog poop.

  • This One Police Department Shot 92 Dogs in Three Years. One of the Officers Has Killed 25 By Himself

    11/19/2014 11:53:06 AM PST · 67 of 161
    Dutchboy88 to Bettyprob

    With what is about to happen tomorrow night, here you are barking about some stupid dogs being shot. You and this motley crew of goof balls ought to start your own site called “We hate cops because we are stupid”.

  • End of communism not all good for Christianity: Vatican

    11/18/2014 3:37:41 PM PST · 58 of 67
    Dutchboy88 to Talisker
    Well, I will correct two small matters here and then drop it. You sound agitated when I read your responses.

    "And given that I don't think you speak or read Hebrew, Aramaic, or Greek, your confidence in your utter lack of what you call "presumptions" is certainly an amazing accompishment. (sic, you're welcome, again)"

    First, I have a degree in Theology from a recognized university and years of training in Koine' Greek. Apology accepted.

    ""Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.""

    Second, my normal hermeneutic helps me understand that Jesus is not telling us to do this. He is getting at something altogether different. But then, you seem to be satisfied with your perspective, so I just wondered if you were being consistent with that perspective.

  • End of communism not all good for Christianity: Vatican

    11/18/2014 3:00:27 PM PST · 56 of 67
    Dutchboy88 to Talisker

    The general drift around here at FR is that people give and take their views. By asking a question of you, there was no “inquisitorial authority to assess” your life intended. I was simply asking the questions. If you don’t choose to answer, fine. But, you may re-consider your view that any of this represents a, “...profound level of judgement (sic) of another human being.” I certainly am not doing that, although your harsh words seem to imply that you are.

    My theology is based upon a normal hermeneutic of the Scriptures and includes no “presumptions”. It comes to the conclusion, however, that God really is God and is managing His universe as the text reveals. That apparently includes you and me.

  • End of communism not all good for Christianity: Vatican

    11/18/2014 8:02:39 AM PST · 54 of 67
    Dutchboy88 to Talisker
    "On the other hand, you use the word grace without acknowledging that it is innately a mystery. Everything is God, yet there is ignorance. Free Will exists, yet so does grace.

    Jesus stated what He called the “greatest commandment.” So, I practice it as best I can."

    I am now getting a clearer picture of your theology. Are you certain "free will" exists? And, how do you know? Further, Jesus also said, Matt. 5:48. Are you doing that?