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Ah yes, typical lack of intelligent debate I thought I would find here. Lot’s of name calling and personal attacks on Mr. paul too. Good to see the G.O.P. with their panties all wadded up over such an insignificant “kook” as Ron Paul. Can hardly wait to read these threads if he should beat all of the odds and win Iowa. Oh what fun THAT will be! See ya’ll next week! *-)

"In truth, none of the candidates on offer are very attractive, including Paul, but for all the craziness attributed to him he is the least insane and certainly the least erratic of the bunch. Perhaps our polity is so far gone that the candidate selection process inevitably filters out all sane individuals early on. This election may be like voting for the next captain of the Titanic after it struck the iceberg. It might be better to focus on access to the lifeboats and donning flotation gear. As in Acts 27, sometimes the ship goes down but the passengers and crew manage to make it through. Now there’s a cheerful thought for the new year!"

There will never be a candidate that I agree with 100%. But IMO Ron Paul is the only candidate who comes close to actually turning this country around as opposed to simply "slowing down" it's current demise. And judging by the way the "machine" has it's pantiy's all in a bunch over Paul's current surge, he must be doing something right....

"Here’s a little history lesson for the paultards: Germany declared war on the US BEFORE the US declared war on Germany."

History? Hitler would not have been able to become the threat to the world that he did without the help of the US foreign policy and Wall Street. Read WALL STREET AND THE RISE OF HITLER By Antony C. Sutton.

Paul's views on foreign is not an isolationist view any more than George Washington's was. SOS around here.

"Yes. You are quite well read. And yet you STILL support Ron & Rand. Since you are “so smart” please tell us all why neither Ron or Rand will ever get even 5% of the vote for president (and please try to do so in twentyfive insults or less). It must be those “neo-coms”? Or those who just “don’t get it”? Or those who “stupidly beleave” that it is better to fight a middle eastern war in the middle east instead of Chicago? Or those who “stupidly beleave” that those who live in glass house’s (ie. hang out with Alex Jones) are probably not real serious candidates for the the highest office in the land. (Nor a son who supports this). Yes, quite well read indeed."

I figured the best way to deal with you was to let a little time pass before responding yet again. Soooooooo... how do you like your crow sport? Grilled? Baked? Good old Texas style BBQ? LOL

Psssst.... Nobody around here wants actual "facts" or a "logical" debate in response to the Anti-Paul flame throwers who dominate this forum. Now you HUSH and sit yer azz down... drink the G.O.P. Kool Aid... and go vote for Newt or Mitt... or whomever you are told to vote for by the machine. *-)

Maybe if we had followed Ron Paul's foreign policy idea's from the start, we wouldn't be having this conversation about Iran.

U.S. foreign policy and Iran.

"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."

"Ron Paul is one of the outstanding leaders fighting for a stronger national defense. As a former Air Force officer, he knows well the needs of our armed forces, and he always puts them first. We need to keep him fighting for our country."

U.S. President Ronald Reagan

"years and years publishing a racist newsletter and has deep associations with the fringe far right. (Here he is speaking to the John Birch Society on the occasion of its 50th anniversary.)"

Oh My! Lions & Tigers & Bears... The evil JBS too?!

This once great nation will remain on the road to destruction whether we take the fast lane with "O" or change to the slow lane with Mitt or Newt. This country will be toast in another 20, 25 years or so. And we deserve it. Apathetic or Pathetic? Whatever...

When we will ever learn... We have MORE than enough issues here in the US to deal with. IMO it is not our job to shove our nose in to every other country’s business under the guise of SAVING them. We desperately need to SAVE this country!

Ah Geez... I could have gone all year without viewing that pic! Argh....

LOL! Another super rich & super talented SOB raking in millions while contemplating his umpteenth failed marriage is now suddenly realizing he is too old and no longer “degenerated” enough to compete with the new super talented & super rich dirt balls promoted on todays MTV. Don’t worry Phil... I can still separate your screwed up life with your awesome musical abilities and will continue to spin your records on my turntable... That’s right... I said RECORDS. *-)

"If you don’t arm your allies, respectable or not, then your enemies will win."

OMG... Arming the so called allies I have mentioned has created enemies... Not allies...

"You’re being simplistic"

Yes I am and you still don't get it!

" I know you don’t like that implication but 6000 years of humanity prove you wrong. All countries are interwoven with each other, especially now. Withdrawing all aid borders on stupidity. It doesn’t make up that much of our budget."

Hoo Boy... With logic like this... you are going to need a hell of a lot more than "Two Swords" pal... You're going to need at least a couple dozen to survive... let alone win any battles on this field...

"The Pauls suggest we turn a blind eye. This is why we have to deal with “Muslims for Ron Paul.”

Wrong wrong wrong... The Paul's simply suggest that we quit arming people who hate US. I know, I know... Too simple to comprehend... I guess I need to try to make this more complicated...

"You’d think that saving Afghanistan from the Soviets would be rewarded, like most intelligent humans."

You assume way too much... If you saved a "gang" in your neighborhood from being waxed by another "gang" in your neighborhood. After the bloodshed was over do you seriously think that the "gang" you just saved would just welcome you and your "goody goody" morals continuing hanging around "their" hood??? How naive can you be?

There is no perfect foreign policy. But arming "bad" guys who aren't as bad as the other "bad" guys doesn't get it.

"You can use the Ostrich defense. I won’t."

IMO you just did...

"As I recall, he observed that our presence and actions there had led to numerous attempted retaliations. That’s not blaming America, that’s simple cause and effect. We have an interest in the Middle East and most deem it worthy of protecting, myself included. But, to put on blinders and pretend that we’re not viewed by certain elements in that same Middle East as an occupier waging war upon them is naive and silly. They retaliated. It’s not justifying the actions of the 9/11 terrorists or blaming America to make note of this, and that is what Ron Paul did. He opposes most foreign intervention and always has, including Iraq, though he supported Afghanistan. It all boils down to constitutionality with him. The one was constitutional, the other was not, in his view. I understand completely where he’s coming from, even if I’m not as strict a constructionist as he clearly is."

Thank you for such a well thought out post... Yaaaayyyy for sanity! There is hope!

Yeah I know... Used the word “two” in place of “too” and hit the post button twice... Sorry... :-)

And do you think for one second that I or any of Ron Paul’s supporters would not be in favor of cutting all of the outrageous aide packages that you just painstakingly listed? I am on board pal! Where do i sign up?! Oh wait... Ron Paul and maybe his son are probably the only politicians that are “crazy” enough (has enough balls) to propose these cuts! There goes that plan... :-(

And do you think for one second that I or any of Ron Paul’s supporters would not be in favor of cutting all of the outrageous aide packages that you just painstakingly listed? I am on board pal! Where do i sign up?! Oh wait... Ron Paul and maybe his son are probably the only politicians that are “crazy” enough (has enough balls) to propose these cuts! There goes that plan... :-(

"It’s hard to believe that people (Pauls) so talented are, in the end, imho, so stupid. Nations have always depended on those of similiar intent for support, information and military backing. Over my lifetime I’ve watched the U.S. being supremely respected for winning WWII to being trashed for any action we take. I despise the Pauls, because in the end they’re limited in their ability to realize how the real world works. I agree with their interpretation of the Fed and if they can fix that problem, more power to them. Their stupidity in geo-politics make that happening impossible."

Geo politics eh??? Here's a real simple lesson for you from the "Pauls" in GEO POLITICS...

Let's see... The US backs Osama vs. Soviets... (Afghanistan for those of us who are two stupid to know which conflict I refer to...) And we get... What???? 9/11? Oooooeeeeeewwwww... so radical! Soooooooo outraaaaaageous!!!! Shame on Ron Paul for suggesting anything about our ridiculous foreign policy and it's effects!

Moving on... The US Backs Sadam vs. Iran... And we get...What???? take your pick! The the first Iraq "confrontation/war" or the second???? That's right kids... There were two of those wars! Oooops! Can't call it a "WAR"! Congress didn't vote for a "WAR" as the "CONSTITUTION" requires! How many lives lost??? Who's counting! But Hey! Never fear Ditto Heads! Congress voted to "FUND" these "conflicts"! Whooo Hooo! So that makes it AOK!

So sick of this B.S.

Ron Paul has it "right"... and the so called "conservatives" stick their freakin' heads in the sand... You twits loose the "Far Right" as we are so often referred to and you have nothing. If I continue to vote the lesser of two evils, my children have "NOTHING!"