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There are many verses that refer to Jerusalem will be where the King sets his throne. Here are some just a few.

Zec 14:8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.

Zec 14:9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.
Zec 14:11 And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.

Zec 14:14 And Judah also shall fight at Jerusalem; and the wealth of all the heathen round about shall be gathered together, gold, and silver, and apparel, in great abundance.

Zec 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Zec 14:17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.

This will all occur between now and 2015.

Bless you in your search for Truth.

That is so true. I like to compare not having read and understood the Old before trying to understand the New, like going to see a movie at half time. You will never understand the end. I will be very specific and give an example. I have asked countless numbers of people who read the Bible, including Pastors, and none understand this verse of the New.

Gal 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

The only way to understand the New is if you have read the Old. That verse is referring to the Curses in Deuteronomy 28, specifically

Deu 28:25 The LORD shall cause thee to be smitten before thine enemies: thou shalt go out one way against them, and flee seven ways before them: and shalt be removed into all the kingdoms of the earth.

In 721BC, for having disobeyed the law of the Torah (first five books), and commiting idolatry, verse 25 was imposed on the house of Israel(the 10 tribes of the Northern portion of the land). They were dispersed from their Abrahamic land inheritance and until this very day(it’s been over 2700 years) very few have returned. Within the next 4 or 5 years the redemption will be complete and the descendants of those who lost the promises of the covenant will return to their lost possession. One last interjection. Study the Hebrew year 5777 and the Hebrew numerology.

Blessings in your search for TRUTH.

The Babylonian Empire did not exist in 425BC.

The Bible, in my research, doesn’t specifically say who the 2 witnesses are, but there is a tremendous amount of information in Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, etc that all point in the same direction so that one can put the pieces all together and reach a very sound conclusion. I would like to present only a few verses, since there are too many to cover all, to show what I mean. Most people who have read the Bible have read about the two olive trees in Zechariah 4. And if you note in verse 15 he mentions two “anointed ones”. Well we know that the only anointed ones are the tribes that left Egypt to return to their inheritance of the land of the Abrahamic land covenant. Read Psalms 105:9-15. Verse 15 says specifically that they are his anointed. So why does Zechariah, 926 years after the Exodus, mention two anointed instead of one? Because the tribes were split into two nations during the reign of King Solomon (1Kings11) in 931 BC. It’s a long story, but anyway the two groups are the house of Israel (also referred to as Joseph or Ephraim), and the house of Judah. They are also called the vine and the fig tree. When the Lord of hosts returns to this land of the covenant, he will gather his two elect (Zachariah 3:10; Isaiah 5, 11:10-16, Ezekiel 37:15-28, and many more). I will stop for now.

Blessings in your search for TRUTH.

I guess the 3 individuals are from the same movement in respect to TRUTH which always prevails. I’m through with this thread. Good night to all.

No need to get all defensive my friend.

In your past posts, I see that you do use writings which are denominational (Apochryphal …., etc) and are not Biblical. Each to his own. Anyway for the sake of time which I am limited in, besides beating this dead horse to death, I will post a study that I made many years ago which proves beyond a doubt that Yeshua died on 14 Nisan 3790 (30AD Julian).

I believe for a multitude of reasons that Y’hshua died on Wednesday and Mary
came to the sepulcre on a Saturday morning. Not the “first day of the week” (Sunday) as most Bibles say.

First reason: The 3 days and 3 nights are perfectly fulfilled. He was buried
before sunset, let’s guess around 4 or 5 PM on the Wed.14th. That counts as
the first day. Thursday nite (15th) began at sundown. That’s the 1st night.
Thursday day is the 2nd day. Friday night is the 2nd night. Friday day
completes the 3rd day. Saturday night completes the 3rd night and Mary
comes at dawn on Saturday morning and Y’hshua is not there.

Based on the Friday crucifixion/Sunday resurrection theory, according to the
Gospel of John, Jesus’ promise to rise after being buried three days and
three nights was never fulfilled. According to Matthew, the women came to
the tomb “as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week” (Matthew
28:1), Mark says “they came to the tomb when the sun had risen” (Mark
16:2), and Luke says it was “at early dawn that they came to the tomb”
(Luke 24:1). But in John it clearly states that it was not yet dawn when
the body of Jesus disappeared from the tomb: “On the first day of the week
Mary Magdalene came early to the tomb, while it was still dark, and saw the
stone already taken away from the tomb” (John 20:1). Thus, John says that
Jesus, having risen before the dawn of Sunday morning, was buried for only
two days and two nights, i.e., one full day (Saturday), part of another
(Friday), and two nights (Friday and Saturday nights). This contradicts the
assertion that in fulfillment of prophecy, Jesus was buried three days and
three nights. The New Testament evidence simply does not add up to three
days, i.e., daylight hours, and three nights, as specifically promised by
Jesus. Therefore, Jesus did not fulfill his very own prediction, based on a
Friday crucifixion theory.

A Thursday crucifixion lacks one day. So that’s out also.

Second reason: According to the 490 year prophecy of Daniel 9, the order to
go restore Jerusalem was issued by Artexerxes in 458 before the year zero
(not BC or Before Christ). That is the only order or command given that comes close to fulfilling the
termination of the sacrificial system (Y’hshua’s death) in the middle of
the prophetic 70th week. Any other order given by Cyrus or anyone else
doesn’t come anywhere close to fulfilling that part of the prophecy. Some
people like to split the prophecy and bring the 70th week to the last days,
thus making it a 2000 year or so prophecy. That’s ridiculous. The middle of
the 70th week fell in year 30 after zero (Ano Domini) (not After Death as many
believe). His death was also in the middle of two Shamitahs (Sabbath of the land every 7 years).

Third reason: In thirty AD, the 14th Abib falls on a Wednesday. Fulfills not
only the prophetic middle of the last (70th) week(7 years), but also the
actual day of the week and also it was the middle of the Land Sabbatical week that began in 3787 to 3794. He died in 3790 Hebrew. In the exact middle of that 7 year Sabbatical week. A Friday crucifixion couldn’t have been possible
since the only Friday anywhere close falls in 33 AD. That doesn’t come
close to matching with reasons 4 and 5 below. Furthermore, that would place his birth after the death of Herod. Not possible.

Fourth reason: Three and one half years prior to his death, in 26 AD (3787) was his
annointment. This was also the 15th year of Tiberius and Y’hshua was 30
years of age. This annointing of Messiah fulfilled the end of the “seven and sixty
two” weeks or 69 weeks of the 70 weeks in the 490 year prophecy.

Fifth reason: Y’hshua was born between 4 and 5 before year zero, since Herod
died in 4 or just after. Josephus makes mention of a lunar eclipse which
took place just before the 29Mar-11Apr death of Herod, and just before a
springtime celebration of Passover (13 March, 4BC, there was a partial
eclipse)

Sixth reason: In regards to all the verses which refer to Mary coming to the
sepulcre on the first day of the week, the Latin Vulgate (400 AD) says
“prima sabbati” which is “first Sabbath”, instead of “first day of the
week”. The Greek says “first of the Sabbaths” when translated.

Seventh reason: Before the Authorized version of the 1611 King James was
written, the two original sources were the Casiodoro de Reina version (of 1569) and
another called the Ciprano de Valera (1602). Those two original versions, which now form the King James, both say “first of the Sabbaths” and not “first day of the week” as was changed and now appears in the King James. The “first sabbath” means the first weekly sabbath during the count of the Omer. There are 7 weekly sabbaths before
Pentecost. Some King James versions say in Luke 6:1 “… second sabbath after
the first ….” which correlates perfectly with all other ancient texts concerning the counting of these weekly sabbaths until Pentecost.

Eighth reason: The original Peshitta (goes back to 200 AD or before) written in Aramaic uses the word Sabbath also. I confirmed this with a person who reads Aramaic, which is similar to Hebrew, in Matt.28:1. Do not use a translated copy of the Peshitta since they have been corrupted. Use a copy of the original Peshitta.

Ninth reason: John 19:31 “...for that sabbath day was an high day......
A “High Day” is one of the 3 main Feast days. It does not refer to a weekly
Sabbath, although it could fall on a weekly sabbath.

Greek 3173 (Strong’s)
1) great
b) things esteemed highly for their importance: of great moment, of great
weight, importance
c) a thing to be highly esteemed for its excellence: excellent
3) splendid, prepared on a grand scale, stately
4) great things
a) of God’s preeminent blessings

Hebrew 3161 (Strong’s)
1) only, only one, solitary, one
a) only, unique, one

Tenth reason: The second temple was destroyed in 70 AD. We read: the Talmud records the following in Yoma 39b:
“During the last forty years before the destruction of the Temple the lot [‘For the Lord’] did not come up in the right hand; nor did the crimson-coloured strap become white; nor did the westernmost light [of the Menorah] shine; and the doors of the Hekal [Sanctuary] would open by themselves, until R. Johanan b. Zakkai rebuked them, saying: Hekal, Hekal, why wilt thou be the alarmer thyself? [meaning: predict thy own destruction] I know about thee that thou wilt be destroyed, for Zechariah ben Ido has already prophesied concerning thee: Open thy doors, O Lebanon, that the fire may devour thy cedars.”
Yeshua was crucified on the Passover before this began to happen. The Encyclopedia Judaica states that Yeshua was crucified in 30 AD.
http://www.yashanet.com/library/temple/temples.htm
Eleventh reason: The 8 of Sivan was Pentecost on the Hebrew calendar.in the year of Yeshua’s crucifixion, 30 AD, Pentecost and was on a Sunday. The Holy Spirit appeared early that night and were speaking in different languages the next morning before 9AM.

Act 2:1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
Act 2:15 For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.

Yeshua had been with the apostles the previous 40 days.

Act 1:3
To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God:

Regressing from the day before Pentecost, that being the just after sunset on the beginning of the 7th of Sivan on the 49th day of the Omer, he ascended. We count back 6 days, plus 29 days for Iyar, plus another 5 days back inclusive from the 30th of Nisan, brings us to sunset on 26th Nisan as the 1st day, of the 40 days, when he arrived. The question arises “Where was he prior to the 26th of Nisan”? The answer is for 8 days (John 20:26) he was in the heavenly sanctuary preparing for his heavenly priesthood.

Lev 8:33 And ye shall not go out of the door of the tabernacle of the congregation in seven days, until the days of your consecration be at an end: for seven days shall he consecrate you.
Lev 9:1 And it came to pass on the eighth day, that Moses called Aaron and his sons, and the elders of Israel;
Lev 9:4 Also a bullock and a ram for peace offerings, to sacrifice before the LORD; and a meat offering mingled with oil: for to day the LORD will appear unto you.
Heb 9:11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;
Heb 9:24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:

Still regressing, we count 8 days back from the 26th (the 25th being the first day to begin counting backwards), and that brings us to Sunday (18th ), just after sundown of the 17th, First Sabbath (7th day weekly Sabbath). That Sunday was the 1st day of the 8 days of his absence on earth. That was the first day of the counting of the Omer.

John 20:26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.

Fits like socks on a rooster.

Most people believe Yeshua died on a Friday in 33AD. That Friday was on 3 Apr and corresponds perfectly with the Hebrew date 14 Nisan 3792 which is the killing of the passover lamb. At first glance, all seems to fit. However, we come across a big stumblingblock if we go back 50 days from the 8th of Sivan, the actual Hebrew date of Pentecost.

Twelveth reason: (16June -6) (30Sivan3755) Elizabeth conceives John the
Baptist
(See **** below)
(6Dec. -6) (25 Kislev 3756 (Chanukah - Festival of Lights)) Mary conceives
Luke 1:26 “...sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent...” Note: This means
the sixth month of Elizabeth’s pregnancy. John 8:12 “...I am the light of
the world...” John 12:46 “ I am come a light into the world....”

****The Eighth Course of Zachariah:
http://www.hebroots.org/hebrootsarchive/9710/7Feasts.html

http://www.yourarmstoisrael.org/Articles_new/articles/index.php?page=born_on_sukkot&type=10

YHWH bless you in your search for the TRUTH

Never mind. I just went to the URL you provided and see that you are getting your dates from a religious source which reflects a possible element of bias.
I use
http://www.fourmilab.ch/documents/calendar/
No religious bias.

I suggest you Google for other non-religious calendar/converters if you are sincere in your search for TRUTH. The 14th Nisan 3794 (34AD) is on a Monday.

Blessings in your search for TRUTH.

Getting a quote from a source (Apostolic Fathers) that believes exactly what you believe is like asking the Pope if he is a catholic. Did you get your dates from a religious source or from a source that is non-biased towards religion?

Coming in late and don’t have much time. The fig tree is the house of Judah. When Yeshua destroyed the fig tree, that was a sign referring to what was going to happen (70 AD) to the egoistic Jewish Pharisees who didn’t want to share the inheritance of the Abrahamic Land Pact with the gentiles (Lazarus). The whole central theme of the Bible that virtually no one seems to grasp, is the return of the 2 houses to there inheritance in the Jubilee year (year of redemption), along with the gentiles who have converted to the beliefs, doctrines, laws of the kingdom of G-d, including all of the 10 commandments including 7th day Sabbath. Got to go.

Blessings in your search for TRUTH

There’s so many changes and things that have been destroyed by the Church that over the years people have just come to accept whatever she says as gospel which is the farthest thing from the TRUTH. You see, however, that Hashem left enough bits and pieces in his Holy Word that his people in the end days would be able to put the parts of the puzzle together and see the big picture of what the true meaning of Yeshua’s resurrection, redemption, salvation, and many other points, all mean. For example, why did he pick 3 days for Yeshua to be buried? Why not 4 or 5 days? From year 0 to 2000, represents 2 days, since in 2nd Peter 1 day represents 1000 years. We are now in the beginning of the 3rd day or the 3rd mellinium since the death. We will resurrect this mellinium, the 3rd day. Read Hosea 6:2. This 3rd day also represents the 7th day Sabbath of rest since it is the 7th mellinium since the Creation in Genesis. It is the same mellinium spoken of in Revelation 20:6. It is our redemption, since the groom now returns to redeem the bride to take her to her new home, the New Jerusalem that John saw coming down, after having paid the price for the bride with his blood 2000 years ago. It is a Jubilee year since the bride is brought to her possession of the inheritance through the Fathers from all the way up to the perpetual land covenant of the Abrahamic Pact. That is the vision that John saw of the New Jerusalem (the house with many rooms) coming down from heaven. A big change in the Promised Land with rest and Peace for 1000 years in the earthly Kingdom. All beginning in 2015/16.

Blessings in your search for TRUTH

Just to clarify a little bit, He was buried just before sunset, still daylight, on the Wednesday (first day of count begins), because the sabbath of the feast of Unleavened Bread was about to begin at sunset which is the beginning of Thursday, the 15th Nisan. That Thursday night is the first night of the 3 nights. Continue counting days and nights. The last night (3rd night) is Saturday night. Mary arrived just before sun rise at the close of the 3rd night (Saturday) and before the 4th day (daylight), Saturday began.

Blessings in your search for TRUTH

The article starts off with a grave error in the very first sentence. In the year 30 AD Julian, since at that time there was no Gregorian calendar, the 14th Nisan was on the 5th of April and that was a Wednesday. That is the precise and accurate date that fits all the Biblical Prophecies, including the one Christ himself made concerning himself about the 3 days and 3 nights relating to Jonas. Died on Wednesday and resurrected on Sabbath night, not the “first day of the week”, but the “first of the Sabbaths”. See the more ancient and precise versions. Casiodoro de Reina, Cipriano de Valera, The Vulgata, The original copies (not translations) of the Peshita written in Aramaic.

Blessings in your search for TRUTH.

It was ‘Harrymehome’ who had them on the milk carton.

I put the on the milk because Yeshua did also in Matt. 15:24.

Did I miss something?

I haven’t found very much about this topic in the scriptures, but your logic and the verses you mention concerning some of the Northern Israelites living in the Southern Judah are certainly verified in 2 Chron 11. I also noticed that Paul in Romans 11:1 says he’s from Benjamin but in Acts 21:39 he also calls himself a Jew, which seems to verify what you say about Benjamin and Levi all becoming called Jews. My opinion is they called themselves Jews because they were living or were residents of the nation or house of Judah. That would be similar to me saying that I am French since I am of French ancestry, but I am an American because of my nationality or residency. Interesting topic, but not much Biblical or other historical info about this. Thanks.

Blessings in your search for TRUTH

I am not so sure about the Levi’s becoming Jews. We’re talking genetic makeup. Genetic makeup from one tribe can not be changed to another. Currently DNA testing is being done to restore the Levites to their sanctuary duties as priests in the coming third temple.

Blessings in your search for TRUTH

You say:
If that is so, then where is or who was the the king spoken of in Ezekiel 37:22?

Yes, Emanuel down from David will be King forever.

You say:
Why does Isaiah say they will be gathered from the four corners of the earth,

Yes, the 10 tribes are part of the Gentiles

You say:
“ our LORD refers to the “lost sheep of the house of Israel” as the Jews,

Nope, you will not find a single verse in the Bible where the house of Israel are Jews. That is as fundamental as 1, 2, 3. The house of Judah are Jews and Benjamites.

Your parables don’t mention anything about the sheep or the shepherd.

Shutting down this thread. Got enough. It’s over.

Blessings in your search for TRUTH.

In ref. to post 28.

You ask:

Where do you get this from? It’s not scriptural. You find no mention of any tribe but Judah, Benjamin and Levi in the books of Ezra and Nehemiah which chronicle the return from Babylon.

There appears two places that indicate there were some members of the house of Israel that were living with the house of Judah in the southern Kingdom. See 1Kings 12:17; Eze. 37:16 (judah ...children of Israel).

Blessings in your search for TRUTH

You say:
That King was Jesus. When he walked the earth his ministry was to all twelve tribes and the tribe of Levite. They were all represented in Judea.

Incorrect. He was not a King the first time. He was Messiah. He is King when he returns.

You say:
Because when Jesus walked the earth the situation in Judea contained all twelve tribes, and they all came for certain feast days (at least a representive of them did). Read Acts 2:1-11 - These were all of the various tribes of Israel.

The small nation of Israel is a long way from encompassing the four corners of the earth. Your answer is not logical nor in agreeance with Isaiah 11 speaking of the Kingdom at Yeshua’s second coming, in verse 10 “islands of the sea”. The land of Israel is not an island of the sea. I think you may want to reconsider.

You say:
All Israel were “lost sheep”, although there were a remnant faithful to God. He was sent, not to the Gentiles, but to the people of Israel who lived in Judea and in every nation of the world at that time. His ministry lasted 3 1/2 years, and the apostles continued it for the next 3 1/2 years before it was expanded to include the Gentiles - starting with Cornelius. That, BTW, was the 70 week of the prophecy of Daniel.

Thank You. You finally agree that not all of the house of Israel was in the land of Israel during the time of Yeshua but were located as you now admit “in every nation of the world at that time.” So it now becomes obvious that the gathering from the “four corners of the earth” and “the second time” applies to the house of Israel, dispersed in 721BC, and who Paul went to preach to in the Gentile nations. The “second time” referring when they return to the land inheritance (Kingdom on earth) with the house of Judah who was dispersed in 70 AD.

You say:
Paul was speaking of “his fathers” because he was of one of the tribes of Israel just as some of those he preached to were of the tribes of Israel. There were also many Gentiles also listening to him, as the record shows.

We’re on the same track (ignoring the his or our fathers). Main point is that yes, he was speaking to some of his distant cousins from the 10 “lost” tribes (house of Israel) whom he hadn’t seen or heard of since the 721BC dispersal to the four corners of the earth.

Blessings in your search for the TRUTH

The second time hasn’t occurred yet. We know that because only a portion of the house of Israel and of the house of Judah returned after the 70 year Babylonian captivity. The majority of the house of Israel was dispersed in 721BC by the Assyrians. Those have never, up to now, returned to that land. They certainly weren’t captives of Babylon since they were dispersed over 100 years before Nebuchudnezzar was ever king.

Ken4TA says that all the peoples of both houses have returned in past history. I disagree. That’s my reason for post 19.

Blessings in your search for TRUTH

You say:

All tribes of Israel were reunited in the building of the temple in Jerusalem when Cyrus gave the command to do so. That happened at the end of the 70 years Israel and Judah were captive in Babylon.

If that is so, then where is or who was the the king spoken of in

Eze 37:22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:

Why does Isaiah say they will be gathered from the four corners of the earth, if the people of the Babylonian captivity returned only from Babylon?

Isa 11:12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.

If the whole house of Israel and house of Judah returned to Jerusalem after 70 years of captivity, then why does Yeshua say

Mat 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

It’s obvious that the entire house of Israel was not in Jerusalem at that time.

If the whole house of Israel returned to the physical promised land of the Abrahamic pact, then why does Paul, who was sent to preach to the Gentile nations, use the term “our fathers” when speaking to the Corinthians of a far away land.

1Co 10:1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;

If all the 2 houses returned after the 70 years in “Babylon”, why does Zechariah say they will be taken out of “Egypt and Assyria”? When did that occur. Any history book, date, anything you can show.

Zec 10:10 I will bring them again also out of the land of Egypt, and gather them out of Assyria; and I will bring them into the land of Gilead and Lebanon; and place shall not be found for them.

Blessings in your search for TRUTH