Posts by JAKraig

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  • Trump’s Speech About Hillary Was Terrifyingly Effective (the Left is terrified)

    06/22/2016 2:10:56 PM PDT · 82 of 141
    JAKraig to Buckeye McFrog

    I hope not. For reasons that shall always befuddle me a majority seems to like the besotted old fool.

    That crazy old man keeps getting re-elected. He does it by saying stupid stuff that some want to hear but the majority are tired of Obama and everyone will look at Biden as Obama White.

  • The Polls are Wrong- Post Orlando- Trump is Pulling Away from Hillary

    06/21/2016 2:54:32 PM PDT · 31 of 38
    JAKraig to uncitizen

    Back when I was supporting Cruz and saw the huge crowds Trump was drawing, I realized that the next president was going to be Trump.

  • Two sisters charged after brawl at Whitehaven IHOP

    06/21/2016 2:43:22 PM PDT · 96 of 102
    JAKraig to Mears

    I’m sure they’re Amish, the Amish really know how to make fools of themselves in a restaurant.

  • “World’s First 24/7 Solar Power Plant Powers 75,000 Homes” for 3 hours per day.

    06/21/2016 2:33:21 PM PDT · 27 of 32
    JAKraig to rarestia

    Those batteries require the very caustic process of mining for things like lead and nickel.


    Actually, lead is very environmentally friendly. Almost all lead is recycled.

    I have 12KW PV’s on my roof and 3, 48V 1125 AH (@20hrs) batteries and while I did not do it to be environmentally friendly, I did it because the Federal Government would pay for 1/3rd of it and then I get nearly free electricity for the rest of my life. In Kentucky it supplies all my A/C and and heat most of the year. When the temp gets below 30° I turn on the gas boiler.

  • Pope on death penalty: 'Thou shalt not kill' is absolute

    06/21/2016 2:12:33 PM PDT · 85 of 123
    JAKraig to Red Badger

    The translation of “Thou Shalt not Kill” is actually Thou shalt not commit murder.

  • Media Pushes New Trump Can’t Raise Money Narrative; Listen To His Response!

    06/21/2016 5:38:03 AM PDT · 10 of 79
    JAKraig to struggle

    I am so done with the GOPe and the way they have treated Trump just because he trounced their pick, Bush.

    Trump will win this if he has to do it without money I think he is smart enough to do that. I look forward to his presidency. If Hitlary is the Democrat nominee I don’t think she stands a chance against someone as smart as Trump. Trump thinks fast on his feet, he does not use standard catch phrases over and over he answers questions when asked. People find that refreshing. Trump speaks. He isn’t guarded in his remarks he just says what comes from his heart.

    I was a Cruz supporter, I am now fully behind Trump, he is the man for the times. I haven’t donated yet but I will.

  • Professor rejects Marxism after traveling the globe: ‘Socialism doesn’t work’

    06/16/2016 2:37:08 PM PDT · 29 of 31
    JAKraig to PROCON

    Gee Wiz, all he had to do was ask me.

  • Jesus Reveals His Purpose in Coming (Protestant/Evangelical Caucus and Devotional)

    06/16/2016 2:24:14 PM PDT · 7 of 7
    JAKraig to Just mythoughts
    There are still some sins, like premeditate homicide and rape that require a ‘face to face’ with the Creator to be forgiven... The ONLY thing that changed, fulfilled, was no longer a blood sacrifice required for remission of sin. We can go directly to the Father, in Christ name with a repentant heart/mind to seek forgiveness.

    Too many Christians think those Ten Commandments do not apply to them. Well, no Christian worth his/her salt would call themselves Christian if they break any of the Ten. That is what is meant to believe in Christ, by keeping His Commandments.


    I suspect you are correct about premeditated murder is likely close to the sin of denial of The Holy Ghost but not quite as bad.

    You said that blood sacrifice is no longer needed, but, it is. I know what you mean and don't really disagree with you but the blood sacrifice has already been made.

    It is the blood of Jesus that hides our sin because that sacrifice represents punishment, the punishment that we deserve and that He took for us.

    As far as a bone not being broken, in the Passover meal there is a lamb for the meal. The condition of the lamb is that it must be perfect, and that in the slaughter and preparation for the meal there can be no bones broken. Yes in this we see that it has been foretold and then we are reminded each year at Passover. We are reminded that by partaking of the sacrificial lamb that we are passed over by the angel of death, now if we partake of The Lamb we can again be passed over by the angel of death. Many people have strange ideas of what it means to partake of The Lamb. I personally believe that it is much more than just admitting that He is. It is following Him, trying to be like Him, obeying His commandments and much more. Those who think that the Ten Commandments no longer apply are fooling themselves, who do they think gave them? When were they repealed? I am no judge, but, I imagine that if you are breaking the ten commandments and not begging forgiveness for doing so then you likely have no part of Him. he will not know you no matter how many times you have called our His name. Confession of the name of Jesus is no magic trick, either you follow Him or you don't.

    As Christians we focus on Easter, rightly so because the most important event in the history of mankind is the Resurrection of The Savior Jesus The Christ. It is also important for us to remember the events of Passover so that we can be reminded of how this was all foretold for millennia, that it is all part of a glorious plan.

  • Jesus Reveals His Purpose in Coming (Protestant/Evangelical Caucus and Devotional)

    06/15/2016 1:40:15 PM PDT · 5 of 7
    JAKraig to Just mythoughts

    I take issue with the statement that Christ had to suffer death or He could not Reign as King.

    Christ was already King. He was perfect and therefore did not need to suffer any punishment to earn a reward that His Father promised Him, that is all that His Father had.

    He died on the cross very early in the process, people can survive on the cross several days. The other two that hung on the cross were very much still alive when their legs were broken so that they could not stand and therefore would be unable to breath. Christ was already dead because He gave up The Ghost. He had power over life and death and used that power to die.

    We are not perfect. The punishment for sin is death. Christ suffered our punishment for us if we accept Him. By our accepting the punishment given freely by Him we may live again with God because our sin is covered, hidden in the blood of Christ because the debt of our sin is paid. It was paid by someone who did not owe it and paid it anyway.

    I don’t think most people have a clue what all that means, about how Christ can somehow take upon Himself my pains and agony and suffer for them in the past even before I had them. How he can be punished for my sins even before I commit them. His punishment had to be unbelievably horrible to cover not just my sin but every bodies sins.

    He did not have to do it. The Lord said that “greater love have no man but that he lay down his life for another”. He did that but multiplied by billions.

  • A Challenge to Much That You Believe About the Fed

    06/15/2016 7:38:23 AM PDT · 7 of 16
    JAKraig to expat_panama
    A sad truth is that government spending for re-distribution wastes a lot of money and destroys resources.

    People that don't work for their money hurt overall production. Normally money is earned and then spent to either raise more money or to increase standard of living. In a re-distribution society that money does neither.

    In the short term some builder will make money on the building of public housing but nobody will make money on the rent or upkeep of the housing. The money given to the re-distribution recipients will be spent on food, drugs and others that add little to the economy.

    Adding to the economy means something produced not something consumed. When most workers consume something they actually produce more than they consume. The “extra” may go into a bank account or some other savings such as the stock market where the money is used to produce “things”. These “things” make life better and earn the investor more money to either invest or consume.

    To governments its all about consumption. They figure if people spend money then the economy is good but it takes more than that and when the government prints fake money it simply means that the rest of us will have to spend more of our money to get what we want and that leaves less for investment and therefore less creation of new “things”.

    Governments can spend money that helps growth by spending on infrastructure which enhances everyone’s ability to produce more.

    Welfare spending hurts an economy in many ways. If people don't get free food and housing then they are willing to work for less, that promotes more production. When people don't get free stuff and they are already working for less than they think they are worth then they try to make themselves more valuable by learning a skill or being good at what they do so they can get a promotion, both raise production.

    In our society we are killing our economy by allowing our government to make too many monetary decisions that are adverse to the health of our economy.

    I remember that in the 50’s we spent 75% of the budget on defense spending. Now it is only 24% but 65% goes to re-distribution. It is unsustainable.

  • Why Does Jesus Call the Father Greater If We Teach That the Members of the Trinity Are Equal?

    05/30/2016 1:13:29 PM PDT · 346 of 1,066
    JAKraig to verga

    You said:
    They are three separate but Equal persons. They are three persons with one nature. This nature is fully Divine. This means that all three are omnipotent (all powerful) and omniscient (all knowing).


    I have trouble accepting this. They cannot all three be omnipotent or one would not have power over the others.
    They cannot all be omniscient if one of them knows something the other does not know, such as when the end of the world will be.

  • Why Does Jesus Call the Father Greater If We Teach That the Members of the Trinity Are Equal?

    05/25/2016 10:33:22 AM PDT · 94 of 1,066
    JAKraig to Elsie

    Hi Elsie,

    I haven’t read that book, I thought we were talking about 3rd century Christianity not Mormons.

  • Why Does Jesus Call the Father Greater If We Teach That the Members of the Trinity Are Equal?

    05/25/2016 9:31:51 AM PDT · 87 of 1,066
    JAKraig to CTrent1564

    I am trying to determine what group you belong to, Mormon, JW, Oneness-Pentecostal. So for the sake of discussion, what faith do you hold, it does not appear to me to be orthodox Christianity of any sort. . . .


    I hold my own personal religious beliefs. I was for many years a part of the Methodist Church and they put up with my non-conformist beliefs and my refusal to repeat the Apostles Creed but did not excommunicate me for it. I’m afraid churches have left me. They have changed much in the last 70 years and I find particularly distasteful what happened in Nicea. This hierarchy that became the Roman Church took nearly 300 years to develop and was no way inspired by Christ in my opinion. The emphasis on having “learned” scholars rule the rest of The Church also has become distasteful. Some years ago when my father died and the Methodist minister asked me If I had any particular scriptural references I would like him to use, I did they were all references to a literal Resurrection. He wouldn’t use them because he said it would confuse people into believing their bodies would be raised from the dead instead of just their spirits. From that time on I was done with my Methodism.

    I believe what I believe and don’t begrudge anybody else what they believe, I just don’t consider myself stupid and feel I can figure it out myself form The Holy Bible.

    I have married a Mormon girl, perhaps she doesn’t believe all that I believe and vice versa but we get along.

  • Why Does Jesus Call the Father Greater If We Teach That the Members of the Trinity Are Equal?

    05/25/2016 6:40:03 AM PDT · 73 of 1,066
    JAKraig to MHGinTN

    You stumble forth with, “Water, steam (vapor), ice. That’s good except when water becomes steam it is no longer water it is steam. When water or steam become ice it is no longer water but ice.” In all three states it is still H2O, two atoms of Hydrogen and one atom of Oxygen. Mormons are good at straining at gnats in order to choke on the camel.


    You are totally missing what I was saying. Yes, I completely agree with you that there are three states of H20 my point is that wherever the H20 is in which state it is in it is only in one state at a time.

    At the baptism of Jesus Christ by John we are led to believe via scripture that John was baptizing Christ and at the same time the voice of God The Father was heard from heaven saying He was pleased in His Son and at the same time the Holy Ghost was descending from Heaven in the form of a dove.

    It matters not to me the three states, what matters is that at least in this example there were three different beings in three different places at the same point in time. In this example anyway God The Father did not turn Himself into Christ The Son or into The Holy Ghost unless He split Himself up 3 ways but then He would not shout from Heaven that He was pleased with His son, He would have said He was pleased with Himself.

  • Why Does Jesus Call the Father Greater If We Teach That the Members of the Trinity Are Equal?

    05/25/2016 6:29:49 AM PDT · 71 of 1,066
    JAKraig to DungeonMaster

    Jeremiah 1:5

  • Why Does Jesus Call the Father Greater If We Teach That the Members of the Trinity Are Equal?

    05/25/2016 6:08:22 AM PDT · 67 of 1,066
    JAKraig to knarf
    you said:
    “Theologically, Jesus means that the Father is the eternal source in the Trinity. All three persons of the Trinity are co-eternal, co-equal, and equally divine. But the Father is the Principium Deitatis (the Source in the Deity).”

    ” Hence, Jesus proceeds from the Father from all eternity. He is eternally begotten of the Father. In effect, Jesus is saying, “I delight that the Father is the eternal principle or source of my being, even though I have no origin in time.”


    I would take issue with that in that Jesus is subject to The Father, they are then not co-equal. Elohim is the greater of the three. He commands and They obey His will. Even when Christ didn't want to obey The Fathers will He did. Because of Nicea there have been many contortions of doctrines to try to make the definition of The Trinity as expressed by Nicea 325 fit with scripture but it still doesn't. Nearly all if not all the laborious definitions of the Trinity come after Nicea 325. Christ Himself never makes these contorted definitions. He made sure that even the simplest of peoples could understand what He was talking about. Christ is divine, He is eternal but He was begotten and has inherited what He now has. While we call Him eternal He Himself expresses it a little differently, calling Himself the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. There is no beginning of eternal so that itself could be a subject of much conjecture.

  • Why Does Jesus Call the Father Greater If We Teach That the Members of the Trinity Are Equal?

    05/25/2016 5:56:18 AM PDT · 66 of 1,066
    JAKraig to DungeonMaster

    In what sense did we come from heaven?

    We are all sons and daughters of God, that is our spirits came, issued forth from God The Father. God knew us before he formed us in mortality and we knew Him.

  • Why Does Jesus Call the Father Greater If We Teach That the Members of the Trinity Are Equal?

    05/25/2016 5:48:54 AM PDT · 65 of 1,066
    JAKraig to D-fendr

    Would it be accurate to say that you do not believe Christ is God; you don’t believe in the divinity of Christ?


    No, it would be inaccurate to make the statement you made in your question above. You apparently haven’t read the rest of my comments in this post, I thought I made myself clear but for you I’ll try again. God The Father who with His Son created Heaven and Earth has a name, it is Elohim. His Son who is also God has a name it is Jesus Christ, there is a third member of this group of gods that we call The Holy Ghost, we have no other revealed name for Him.

    The three mentioned above are Gods, but there is one God we pray to, His name is Elohim, we worship and praise all three members of the Godhead but there is one of those members who is the leader and the others are subject to Him and do His will. God, The Father of our souls is God. God Jesus Christ is the very Son of God The Father and was begotten of The Father so that He is in fact The Son of God.

    The God Jesus Christ has now inherited all the powers and dominions of His Father, there is nothing that His Father has that He doesn’t have, He is God.

    God Jesus Christ agreed to come to earth, partake of what mortal life was, agreed to be subject to temptations, illness, pain and suffering. He did that but although subject to all those things resisted those things so that He was perfect. His literal Father of His flesh was Elohim, my God, your God and His God. Because He did as His Father asked, because He did not succumb to temptation He was perfect in mortality. Because He was the literal Son of God in The Flesh He was not killed but gave up His life, He gave up His spirit to His Father who gave it.

    Because He was perfect even though He suffered all the pains and agony of every soul on earth He can offer to take the punishment that all the rest of us deserve.

    One day we will all stand before the judgment seat of God The Father, even Elohim and He will judge us. It won’t be The Holy Ghost or even Christ Jesus we stand before but The very Eternal Father. When we are judged we will be found to be imperfect. Only perfection can abide with The Father, the punishment for imperfection is death and separation from God. Because many have tried to follow Christ, they have loved Him and considered themselves His, because of this and because He loves us He will stand before God the Father and say “You have already punished me, I stood in for him, he is mine”, and we will be His forever in the same place He is. More than that He says we will inherit everything that He has inherited.

    Just as a prince inherits the throne of his father Christ inherits the throne of His Father. Christ has not had that throne forever but has inherited it, He has made that very clear, you don’t inherit something you already have.

    The only name ever given us to gain salvation is Jesus Christ, we must love Him and follow Him to partake of that salvation. That salvation will not come by uttering a few words such as “I believe Christ is God”. It is not our belief that makes us acceptable to Christ for even Satan knows Christ is God the Son of God and it does him no good.

    I try to follow Him to the best of my ability, I love Him and hopefully my actions and all that I do show that. Still I am far from perfection. I will need His grace that he has so unselfishly offered to me and others in order to live with Him and be His forever. I will be His like He is God The Fathers.

    All that I have said is easy to find reference to in the Holy Bible, there are no stretches of the imagination to make the above words work, they are plain if you will read them.

    It is hard to be succinct and brief, I hope I have succeeded.

  • Why Does Jesus Call the Father Greater If We Teach That the Members of the Trinity Are Equal?

    05/24/2016 6:30:23 PM PDT · 59 of 1,066
    JAKraig to Campion
    You obviously know little of Roman History. I said nothing about the first century, we were talking about 325. I assure you that the council of Nicea that indeed Constantine was in charge and made the decisions and certainly Athanasius of Alexandria had his ear. I also don't think I said anything about a state religion I said universal religion, actually I said Universal or Catholic Church. If you really want to understand these things I highly suggest you read cover to cover the New Teatament, read each book without breaking it up to get the meaning of it. Understand that the writers of the 4 Gospels were not necessarily the Apostles but at least in two cases we know that they were men who traveled with them and wrote what they preached to many congregations well after their death. There is much to believe that John may have written his own Gospel during his long life but there are no guarantees.

    Dissenting bishops indeed went into hiding after the first Nicean council but Constantine relented and forgave them and didn't enforce the edicts of Nicea 325. Their excommunications and executions did not take place until the 385 council. After 385 you either renounced your beliefs in doctrines other than Nicean 325 Trinitarianism or you died. After the 385 council there were no more opportunities for forgiveness, if you were caught teaching the unapproved doctrine you were accused of soccery, excommunicated and then executed.

    When Maximus came to be Emperor he harshly enforced the council edicts of 385 although not with the Pope's blessing and Priscillia was the first Bishop to be executed, his followers continued with his teachings for another 250 years or so in Spain.

    The bishop of Aix-en-Provence, Lazarus had to run for his life after the Pope tried to have him silenced. The bishop of Arles, Herod had the same problem. There are many, many others. I'm not going to make a list of many names of those who were excommunicated, banished or even executed, you can do some simple searches and find those names.

    Prior to 385 the “Arian” theology as you call it was openly practiced and promoted by a large percentage of the Western Church. Recall that The trinitarian view held today came from Greece, then considered The East. After 385 this could no longer be done and the Popes came down hard on not just Arians but anyone who did not tow the official trinitarian line.

    You may disagree all you want but this is well known history documented in many places. I don't care what your priest told you but these are the facts.

    History can be ugly, the people of the times when history happened however thought they had good reasons for their actions or would not have done the things they did.

    I'm not condemning the actions of these leaders any more than I would condemn George Washington for owning slaves, that was what they did then and thought right.

    Today as a society, as lay people we have far more access to facts than people had in the past, we don't share the same excuses. I refuse to be forced to believe something I cannot make sense of just because a Roman emperor who was not even a Christian at the time in 325 was made to believe it. I suspect I am much more learned than Constantine or Athanasius who started all this so I will make up my own mind thank you. I will use what we have left of the scriptures after the councils of 325 and 385 destroyed much of what was considered scripture at the time because they did not support the trinitarian doctrine of the new day.

  • Why Does Jesus Call the Father Greater If We Teach That the Members of the Trinity Are Equal?

    05/24/2016 12:06:21 PM PDT · 47 of 1,066
    JAKraig to chuckles

    There is but one God in multiple forms.


    Let me say, everything I say are my beliefs. Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs, our beliefs don’t make it so and I realize that my beliefs don’t “make it so” but, I work hard to figure it out and follow Christ to the best of my abilities. I’ve been doing this for a very long time, I first started trying to figure out why the Holy Bible didn’t agree with the preacher in very early 60’s. With age often comes wisdom, I hope my understanding is true, I believe my understand is true but would never begrudge someone else their belief but I might be willing to point out what I think is obvious error.

    And that is where the argument started. While it is true that John said that Christ and God The Father are one, He did not say they were the same. It is always dangerous to prove something with a snippet of Scripture. John also said in 17:21 that the Apostles must be one with Christ just as He (Jesus) is One with God The Father. So right away your argument using that verse is totally blown away. Later Christ says that all the Saints must be one with Him(Christ) just at He (Christ) is one with The Father.

    There is only one Queen Elizabeth of England on earth right now but her son, the idiot, I mean Charles is also Royal. There is only one “God”, God The Father, Elohim. Christ Jesus is His Son and also Divine. While I realize many people pray to God The Father, to Jesus Christ and even to The Holy Ghost and some pray to the Saints, I personally believe that we are instructed in the Bible to pray to God the Eternal Father and do it in the name of Jesus Christ.

  • Why Does Jesus Call the Father Greater If We Teach That the Members of the Trinity Are Equal?

    05/24/2016 11:38:25 AM PDT · 45 of 1,066
    JAKraig to Arthur McGowan

    You are not entitled to believe that the terms “eternal” and “begotten” are mutually exclusive, because you are not the arbiter of what the words mean.


    The definition of eternal:

    “without beginning or end; lasting forever; always existing”

    The definition of begotten:

    “Something is begotten when it’s been generated by procreation — in other words, it’s been fathered”

    Christ referred to God many times as His Father. You can’t have “no beginning” if you have a Father. Christ says He is the Alpha and the Omega, or from the Alpha to the Omega, the beginning and the end. With God The Father there is no beginning, certainly at least in time, yet for Christ there is and He says so in His own words.

    So, while I can believe anything I want that does not make it so, but the dictionary makes the terms mutually exclusive.

  • Why Does Jesus Call the Father Greater If We Teach That the Members of the Trinity Are Equal?

    05/24/2016 11:30:24 AM PDT · 43 of 1,066
    JAKraig to Iscool

    The Holy Spirit was also seen descending in the form of a dove. So the Water, steam and ice were all in different places at the same time, it wasn’t the same water in all three places.
    Can your body and soul be in two different places at the same time???


    My body and soul cannot be in two places at the same time until I am dead. When we are resurrected our body and soul will be forever reunited and again will not be able to be in two places at the same time.

  • Why Does Jesus Call the Father Greater If We Teach That the Members of the Trinity Are Equal?

    05/24/2016 11:27:56 AM PDT · 41 of 1,066
    JAKraig to DungeonMaster

    John 3:13 No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven.[


    I don’t imagine there is anyone here reading this thread that does not agree with that statement. The same will be true for all of us, we came from Heaven and will hopefully return there some day.

  • Why Does Jesus Call the Father Greater If We Teach That the Members of the Trinity Are Equal?

    05/24/2016 11:25:41 AM PDT · 40 of 1,066
    JAKraig to Campion
    The Trinity was the belief of the whole church from the beginning, long before Constantine. No “government edict” was required to make it so, and the idea that heresy was a crime against the state didn't come around until AD 1100 or so.


    You are very horribly mistaken. When Constantine made the theology of the Holy Trinity the law of the land to not sign on to it in writing meant that you would be excommunicated and possibly executed. Nearly 1/3rd of the Church leaders refused to sign on until the council in 385 which started enforcing the executions.

    The whole idea of what we now call the Trinity came from The Church in Greece, it was nowhere else at first. The bishop of Alexandria, he was Greek, was a friend of Constantine, that bishop was a Trinitarian and ultimately convinced Constantine to enforce that one belief so that there would be a “universal or catholic” faith.

    There were church leaders who went into hiding after the 385 council rather than be executed. It was not a happy time in The Church. Constantine for his part while alive did not think it so important as the Alexandrian Bishop to go after those who would not sign on and so let them continue in their leadership positions without signing on to Trinitariansm.

    The Non-Trinitarians did not as a whole think Christ any less divine than God The Father, they only believed they were not the same person, that they could be three places at one time. They believed that Christ was subservient to God the Father and that The Holy Ghost was a person of spirit only that did the bidding of both The Father and The Son.

    I have no idea what Mormon made up history has to do with any of this, this was many centuries before the world ever thought about Mormons.

  • Why Does Jesus Call the Father Greater If We Teach That the Members of the Trinity Are Equal?

    05/24/2016 9:05:55 AM PDT · 28 of 1,066
    JAKraig to Bailee
    ater - One Matter

    Gas - One State
    Liquid - One State
    Solid - One State

    All 3 still Water(H2O)


    The Father - One Title
    The Son - One Title
    The Holy Spirit - One Title

    All 3 still God(Jesus)


    Nice try.

    Water, steam (vapor), ice. That's good except when water becomes steam it is no longer water it is steam. When water or steam become ice it is no longer water but ice.

    When Christ was being baptized by John, the voice of God was heard from Heaven saying “This is My Son in whom I am well pleased”. The voice did not say “This is Me”. The Holy Spirit was also seen descending in the form of a dove. So the Water, steam and ice were all in different places at the same time, it wasn't the same water in all three places.

    I know of no place in the Holy Bible where it talks about extra dimensions and going back and forth between them, we have absolutely NO evidence of your facts. If we can make things up then you can say whatever you want but don't expect others to believe what you say. Mind you, I have no problem with your believing whatever you want, but don't make silly arguments and expect me or anyone else to believe them.

  • Why Does Jesus Call the Father Greater If We Teach That the Members of the Trinity Are Equal?

    05/24/2016 8:34:43 AM PDT · 23 of 1,066
    JAKraig to SubMareener

    Any doctrine that was established by capital punishment/murder, and the continued threat of such was NOT established from/by Jesus Christ.
    - - - - - - - - -
    So you do not believe that Jesus Christ was crucified, dead and buried, and that the Father raised Him from the dead?


    I guess I thought we were talking about the doctrine of The Trinity, but you have made a very good argument against the Nicean doctrine of The Trinity by your post, in that God raised Christ from the dead. If they were the same wouldn’t Christ have raised Himself from the dead? God was greater than Christ so God raised Him from the dead. and on another note, if Christ was only spirit as some claim why would He need to be raised from the dead? We already know that before He was raised He was preaching to the souls in prison before His Resurrection. He is not spirit but flesh, perfected flesh.

  • Why Does Jesus Call the Father Greater If We Teach That the Members of the Trinity Are Equal?

    05/24/2016 8:19:32 AM PDT · 17 of 1,066
    JAKraig to Salvation

    Father, Son and Holy Spirit

    Why don’t you believe the words of Jesus?


    I don’t understand what you are asking, of course I believe in the Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit. I simply don’t believe they are the same being.

  • Why Does Jesus Call the Father Greater If We Teach That the Members of the Trinity Are Equal?

    05/24/2016 8:10:54 AM PDT · 15 of 1,066
    JAKraig to Salvation

    Non Biblical?

    Consider yourself corrected.

    Matthew 28

    18 And Jesus came and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.
    19 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
    20 teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, to the close of the age.”


    And just where is the word “Trinity” in these verses. And these verses are after the resurrection and indeed after Christ did inherit all that The Father had. The very fact that “All Authority” had been given to Him meant that prior to that or at least at some time He didn’t have that “All Authority” which pretty much said He wasn’t always God.

    When I would travel for the company I worked for I would go in the name of my company owners. they weren’t all the same however.

  • Why Does Jesus Call the Father Greater If We Teach That the Members of the Trinity Are Equal?

    05/24/2016 7:52:58 AM PDT · 11 of 1,066
    JAKraig to Arthur McGowan
    While I appreciate the discussion and the attempt to answer the question, it was not answered. Saying that The Son was neither created or made and then saying that he was begotten by The Father are mutually exclusive statements. If both Beings are eternal then how can one beget the other.

    The concept of the Holy Trinity has been a controversy since it was codified in Nicea in 325AD. The major arguments were that Nicea said that Christ was God and that God was God, that Christ was not made but begotten of God The Father, that since Christ came from the Father He was also God. Then Nicea went further to explain that God and Christ are of one body or of the same substance, and further to say that God The Father and Christ the son were both eternal.

    I personally find these statements illogical. I don't see how Christ could be begotten AND be eternal, I believe the terms eternal and begotten are mutually exclusive. If a King has a son, his first son, he becomes king. He isn't born a king although he is born to become a king. He has the substance of being a king when he is born because he is begotten by a king.

    Christ and God The Father are not the same being. Christ prayed to His Father in the garden and asked that the bitter cup be removed but then decided to do His Fathers will. While Christ did the bidding of His Father and sacrificed Himself for us His Father also sacrificed His Son.

    All the above is not to say that I believe that Christ The Son of The Father was first begotten when He was born of Mary, I believe that He was with The Father from before time. What does before time mean? Good question but I believe it was at least before the creation of the earth. I also believe that all people were with God The Father before the creation of earth.

    I believe, again, doctrine according to Joe, that Christ when He was born of Mary received a physical body and was no longer a spirit. After His death on the cross He apeared to many several times going back and forth between Heaven and earth, and even stated that He was not a spirit, He ate and drank with the Apostles to prove He had a body. When He left the earth to ascend to Heaven for the last time recorded in the Holy Bible He was seen by about 500 people and the two angels explained to those who saw Him ascend that He would come back in the same way. To me that means He has a body like mine only perfected to be incorruptible as Paul explained.

    So who then is The Holy Ghost? Again the doctrine of Joe says that He is a personage of spirit, just like Christ was before being born of Mary. There is a difference though, Christ was the First Born of The Father while The Holy Ghost does the will of The Father and of The Son and testifies of Them both.

    The doctrine of Joe says that God The Father and God, Christ The son are not of the same substance in that they do not share the same “body” if you will but are of the same substance like my father and I are of the same substance. When I look in the mirror now in my old age I see my father looking back from the mirror at me. I look like him because I am of the same substance, not his substance but they are the same.

    How important is this argument? I don't think it very important. I think what is important is to realize that Jesus Christ willingly did the Will of His Father and came to earth, was perfect and therefore did not deserve to die or be punished for sin. I do not believe it was any easier for Him to be perfect than for me but He was AND He agreed to be punished in my place for my sins if I but acknowledge Him and try to follow Him. I am trying.

    Because Christ was perfect and deserves no punishment He can stand before The Father and offer Himself to take the punishment of my sin for me. He does not have to do this. He will not do this for everybody, not everybody will ask Him too, not everybody will try to follow Him.

    Christ says He will inherit EVERYTHING His Father Has. He also says that if we will follow Him, at least really try to follow Him that we will be joint heirs with Him AND be like Him. You can't inherit something you already have. At some point anyway Christ did not have all that The Father has but would inherit it, that alone tells me that Christ and God The Father are two individuals and that Christ anyway has progressed from one condition to another.

  • With Final Words, Christian Girl Begs Forgiveness for ISIS for Killing Her

    05/23/2016 8:54:08 PM PDT · 23 of 41
    JAKraig to Talisker

    By the time the world wakes up and snaps to attention, the resulting released rage might leave no Muslim alive on the planet.


    If only we could be so fortunate.

  • Why 'Antidumping' Tariffs Should Be Dumped

    05/22/2016 2:45:47 PM PDT · 71 of 107
    JAKraig to Arrian
    First, I am a free trader.

    In our dealing with Japan in the 70’s and still today we don't have “free trade” we have government subsidized trade.

    In our dealings with China we don't have “free trade” In this country we tax a business 35% and then we allow consumers to buy products that are subsidized by that amount and more by a foreign government.

    There is no country in the world that can compete with the US factory worker for output per hour, we lead the world but the rest of the world is not taxed at 35% so there is no way we can compete we have to add 35% to our prices right off the top.

    Anti-Dumping laws are already on the books but the last 3 administrations have chosen not to enforce them, it's a shame.

    If we were smart in this country we would remove all taxes from business, business does not pay the tax they raise their prices and the consumer pays the tax in the form of higher prices.

    If we get rid of the business tax and enforce anti-dumping laws (government subsidized manufacturing) we would lead the world in manufacturing, again.

  • VIDEO: Debunking Karl Marx And Bernie Voters. THOROUGHLY!

    05/19/2016 7:30:13 AM PDT · 5 of 10
    JAKraig to PROCON

    I watched it and didn’t think it was very brilliant. The film was poor in that it left out so much of the failures of Socialism/Communism. While the narrator tried to point out the failings of the film there were very many he missed.

    In short Capitalism allows the freedom of choice in most walks of life, Communism/Socialism takes away freedom and leaves all decisions to a board somewhere or a dictator somewhere.

    Socialism can be made to sound good but only if you tell lies. The problem with Socialism is that we are not ants or bees we are are all individuals, very different from each other. Because we are human we suffer from human nature and suffer all the mental problems of humans. We are naturally selfish and always want to work less than the next guy because we think we are worth more.

    Until we are all able to be like the horse in “Animal Farm” Socialism will never work because we all want to be the Pigs.

    If you think Socialism is a good system you definitely need to read “Animal Farm”.

  • Trump’s Apple iPhone demand not that crazy

    05/18/2016 6:01:07 AM PDT · 14 of 27
    JAKraig to MrEdd
    And decades of lobbying and lawsuits. A costly and time consuming prospect which hasn't’t happened in the United States.


    To say that the US is not business friendly is an understatement. While there are many regulations in many industries some are absolutely crushing. While regulations and wages make manufacturing expensive the biggest impediment to manufacturing is the US corporate tax structure. When you have over 35% of your profits taken in the form of tax it means that you have to raise your prices 35% to cover it.

    There are areas such as cigarette manufacturing and gasoline production that the government makes hundreds of times more money than the manufacturer because of taxes.

    The sad thing is that business does not really pay tax they make you pay it in the form of higher prices for their goods. That of course means that those goods are not competitive on the the foreign market, and can't even compete at home with offshore manufacturers. Manufacturers don't go overseas so that they can make a higher profit, they go overseas so they can stay in business. If they don't go their market share dwindles because of their taxed pricing until they are forced to close up shop.

  • Blame Minimum Wage, Not Carl’s Jr. CEO, For Automated Restaurants

    05/16/2016 9:18:25 AM PDT · 65 of 139
    JAKraig to Jim 0216

    Please tell that to the hoards of protectionists here on FR. Boy do we need some remedial economic refresher courses around here.


    I am a free trader BUT!

    Free trade is not free if a country subsidizes it’s exporters or it’s manufacturers by paying any of the cost of manufacturing, when they do that they artificially lower the price of the goods sold. By making the goods cheap the companies in the US who have high wage cost and high taxation are forced out of the business of competing with foreign countries.

    Tariffs should only be applied to countries that subsidize their exporters and then the tariff should equal the subsidy.

    While protectionism is bad if it gives an unfair advantage to our businesses it is not bad if it protects them from unfair advantage overseas.

    My understanding is that Mr. Trump, who by the way has a degree in economics from the best business school in this country understands this well and will apply “protections” only under the above conditions. I was an economics major from a much less well know school but I completely support the idea of targeted protectionism to protect us from unfair foreign state sponsored businesses.

  • Clinton’s Crimes and Comey’s Choice

    05/16/2016 8:32:53 AM PDT · 44 of 49
    JAKraig to monocle
    The Democratic party believes that because Hillary is a woman they will win a huge percentage of the woman vote. They may be right, but, I think they will loose a substantial portion of the black vote, all the Asian vote and more than 50% of independents who normally lean left.

    Americans that have been here their whole lives mostly love the country and will not vote for someone to tear it up and break laws that everyone else has to obey.

    It will be hard enough for Trump to get religious peoples vote. Trump is apparently not religious but Clinton is anti-religion.

    I'm not sure my logic at prognosticating elections is very valuable any more. I was one who believed that Bill Clinton was done after the first term because of the Blue dress stains.

  • Ted Cruz poised to challenge Trump in Texas

    05/11/2016 4:20:46 PM PDT · 113 of 252
    JAKraig to Cobra64

    I am by no means eight Ted Cruz support although I once was.

    The expression “it ain’t over till the fat lady sings” is true and I can’t blame Ted Cruz for understanding the fat lady has yet the sing.

    I believe Donald Trump has made it impossible for Ted Cruz to affect his winning the nomination because he has won so many delegates out right that have to vote for him on the first vote. I believe there are some delegates who are bound to vote for him on the first vote who won’t but I also believe that Mr. Trump will have enough of a pad to withstand the mutiny of those delegates.

    I do not see what Cruz is doing as evil but I do see it as ill advised. I see no way for him to be successful in any way. It will not give him more influence at the convention, the best way to get influence would be to pledge his delegates to Donald Trump. It looks like as long as Mr. Cruz thinks there’s any possibility one in 1 million perhaps chance of opening the convention he will do all he can to make it happen. What I believe Mr. Cruise fails to realize is that in an open convention he only has half the votes of Donald Trump and he is hated even more than Trump by the GOP elites.

    I do not believe he can be successful and I believe it will ruin his political career. Had he cooperated with Mr. Trump when he ended his campaign he probably could have had a Supreme Court nomination, with today’s actions he will get nothing out of this convention.

  • I Am Going To Vote For Trump Though It Makes Me Want To Projectile Vomit

    05/09/2016 7:53:02 AM PDT · 89 of 121
    JAKraig to georgiarat
    Many of us held our nose and voted for Romney and MCain! What most did not do was bad mouth MCCain and ROmney in the mainstream media.


    I supported Cruz with $’s.

    I have converted to trump, it wasn't easy at first but as I know more about him I find myself being shocked about how wrong the media is about him. He's a good guy. If you would like to know a little more about him watch the Alex Jones interview on youtube.

  • CNN Ventures Into A Majority Democratic West Virginia County, They’re Supporting Trump(T)

    05/09/2016 7:45:02 AM PDT · 19 of 22
    JAKraig to armydawg505

    Coal country will be as red as it ever has been this year. Blood red.


    Maybe I’m just a stupid old codger but I think Trump will win in a landslide as big if not bigger than Reagan, I sure hope so.

  • Paul Ryan, Architect of Open Borders, Says He Won’t Back Trump Over Hillary

    05/06/2016 9:23:41 AM PDT · 38 of 49
    JAKraig to glennaro

    Ryan will not be Speaker long because he will not be in congress long. People, Republicans that is, are finally starting to wake up and realize that the Globalists are killing the USA.

    When Ryan falls I hope McConnell is watching closely because the writing is on the wall for him too.

    Go Trump! I am so glad he didn’t kiss the ring. Just who does Ryan think he is? He has let the money go to his head. It will be good riddance when he falls.

  • Royal Navy fires warning shots as Spanish vessel harasses US sub in Gibraltar

    05/06/2016 8:07:52 AM PDT · 21 of 24
    JAKraig to SubMareener

    That is why you should transit the strait submerged. Just find a couple of tankers going your way and slip in between them. Maybe it is hard to find a tanker these days.


    While you are correct, underwater transit is the proper way to do it and going between other ships is good camouflage, the straits are only about 200 feet deep at worst spots so that makes it somewhat tricky, or at least not routine. There are places in mid channel where the depth is several times that deep well over 1000’ but the shallowest point is what you really care about. Some tankers will have a 60’ draft. There is so much traffic in the straits that sonar will be hollering out contact information the whole passage. It doesn’t leave a lot of room for error. If another submerged object is transiting at the same time you would hate to run into them at high speed, bad enough at 3 knots. It is easiest to go through when the tide is going the same direction you are, you only have to make enough turns to give steerage, hardly anyone will hear that going through the very noisy strait at that speed.

  • 'Dismayed' Romney says he doesn't intend to back Trump, worried about 'demagoguery and populism'

    05/06/2016 6:44:11 AM PDT · 48 of 107
    JAKraig to silverleaf
    Romney is mad because he thought there would be an open convention and that he would get the nomination again. I'm glad he didn't. The more I see of Trump the more I like of him.

    You have to be an idiot if you don't see the harm that the Islamist and Illegals are doing to this country.

    It isn't demagoguery to tell the truth.

    Romney had my vote, now he doesn't even have my pity. Go away Mitt to where losers go and just shut up.

  • Donald Trump’s policy plans are real, detailed — and great

    05/05/2016 7:35:19 AM PDT · 31 of 43
    JAKraig to thinden

    A 15% tax rate on business would be a good start.

    Businesses don’t pay taxes, business customers pay taxes.

    If American business only sold to American customers then high business taxes would not make a lot of difference. The federal government and the state governments are going to raise revenues one way or another it doesn’t make a lot of difference whether we pay it in a personal income tax or we pay it through higher prices on goods and services. The problem however comes when businesses try to sell overseas and have to compete with companies that don’t pay such taxes.

    Businesses don’t move out of the USA because of higher labor costs. Production costs in the USA for labor is among the least expensive in the world because of our highly trained workforce. We produce more in one hour on average than any country in the world, businesses leave the USA to go to countries where the taxes are lower.

    If the US was wise we would eliminate all business tax, then other countries would send their manufacturing to the US because it will be the cheapest, best place to produce goods.

    The only purpose of business tax in the USA is demagoguery. The mean old nasty businesses must pay their fair share we are told, but I repeat, businesses don’t pay taxes we do. There isn’t a politician in the world that doesn’t understand that they continue to say it because they think we’re idiots, maybe we are.

  • Why I armed myself

    05/05/2016 6:21:49 AM PDT · 21 of 31
    JAKraig to ThunderSleeps
    I try to convince everybody that will listen to “carry”.

    An armed society is a polite society.

    My wife and I practice often. Her 96 year old father still has his farm and we go there to shoot very often. She is a good shot at twenty yards she could put your eye out, you shouldn't mess with her. She carries in her purse, her purse has a special place for a gun, its cool.

    I always recommend to people to get a gun that they will carry. If you have to stop someone a great big 45 will do the job nicely but the only problem is that you won't have it with you because you will think it is too big.

    38’s & 9mm’s both come in small enough and light enough sizes that they can be easily carried. Yes a 32 is small too but I think that is just too small a caliper to stop someone with. A 38 or a 9mm hollow point will slow anyone down with only one shot and the noise will startle most anyone.

    Get a gun, train on it often and carry always.

  • A Guide To The Three Possible Outcomes In Indiana’s GOP Primary

    05/03/2016 6:41:57 PM PDT · 70 of 70
    JAKraig to petercooper

    I think you are in need of a basic high school Econ 101 course.


    I majored in economics in College, I don’t think I need a refresher. By the way 101 refers to first year first course which is normally only used in college not high school.

  • A Guide To The Three Possible Outcomes In Indiana’s GOP Primary

    05/03/2016 2:25:25 PM PDT · 26 of 70
    JAKraig to Resolute Conservative
    Even through the name calling and stupidity that has infected this site I have decided to hang around just so I can be here when two years into Trump’s term and I can watch the “but but but we thought he was conservative...” crowd.


    I really don't think there is anyone here who thinks that Donald Trump is conservative.

    People do believe however that he is anti-illegal immigrant and that he will really build the wall. People here believe he will build up our military and then he will stop the apology tours that president Obama has been giving since he has been in office.

    If I thought that the above reasons were the only things that Donald Trump would do I would still vote for him.

    I gave money to Cruz. I think he threw my money away. Donald Trump is by no means the best candidate that we could have come up with but because he may really fix immigration, may really fix the military may really fix the bad deals that our country has made with other countries including the United Nations, he may fix the stupid responses we have had towards about Palestinians and made just really show that Israel is our ally.

    On top of all the above I really think he may influence a change in our tax policies. This may be unpopular but I'll say it anyway: the super rich in this country have nothing to do with their money but invest it, then they collect interest without working and without paying taxes at the same rate that you and I pay. That needs to change. The other thing that needs to change is we need to get rid of business tax. Businesses don't pay taxes, they raise their prices and then you and I pay taxes for business. Getting rid of business tax would be the single greatest incentive to bring businesses that are now overseas back to this country where they could make a profit.

    Trump may not be conservative, he does however have a record of getting things done.

  • So Much For The Fifth Amendment: Man Jailed For Seven Months For Not Turning Over Password

    05/03/2016 11:38:48 AM PDT · 30 of 31
    JAKraig to I want the USA back
    So, he was not jailed for not turning over his password, as the lying headline says.
    This is like opening a safe. If the court can order someone to open a safe (search done with warrant), then they can order someone to decrypt data.
    He was jailed for not complying with the search warrant (court order).
    Headlines should not aim for sensationalism, but for a clear statement of the facts.



    Courts have already decided that you don't have to unlock a door or a safe, the prosecution can break the door down with whatever means they want when they have a warrant however. The same is true here, they have the drive(s) let them have at it. If there was a code that you kept your personal notes in could you be required to decrypt it, heavens no, that would be self incrimination. I say he should keep his mouth shut even if he is a pervert. Let the law figure it out.

    Our 1st 10 amendments have already been watered down too much.

  • Indiana Boasts Record Turnout for Early Voting in Presidential Primaries

    05/03/2016 7:39:01 AM PDT · 6 of 9
    JAKraig to Tupelo
    I think high early voting totals and a high turnout bodes well for Trump.


    I hope you are right but that may not be the case. I voted for Cruz in the Kentucky Primary but that was several weeks ago, things have changed. I liked him before he took up with the likes of Bush and Romney.

    Now all I want is to keep Trump in as the last man standing. I'm convinced he will have about 1300 delegates going in but I hope that is enough after the GOPe steals many he has won or changes the rules to make them not matter.

  • Bill Gates calls for higher capital gains taxes

    05/02/2016 11:47:25 AM PDT · 64 of 76
    JAKraig to JEDI4S
    He and Trump seem to agree on raising taxes on the wealthy though.

    So, I wonder if capital gains increases are part of Trumps plans too?

    Makes you wonder.



    The problem is people don't make a difference between business taxes and individual taxes.

    Business should never pay a tax, period. Business don't pay taxes, their customers do. If a business has no capital gains tax then they can invest and sell what is best for the business. It is hard to justify a purchase if you realize that if it doesn't work out you will have to give 39 percent of it to the government when you sell it off.

    People who live off the money their ancestors made and only get taxed at 20% are the ones who should be paying the same as every one else. Income, regardless of where it is from should be taxed the same way. Why is interest income worth less than labor income? I do however think that there could fairly be some means to have an inflation factor calculated in the investment income so that you don't really get back less than you put in.

  • New York City’s Democrat scandals work to Trump’s advantage; put New York State in play

    05/02/2016 11:36:43 AM PDT · 13 of 14
    JAKraig to Nateman

    New York is going to go for Hillary ,Trump or not. 2680190 people voted in the Primary. 27% could not vote for a total of 3680190 potential voters. Hillary and Bernie got a total of 1817552 which is 49.38% of the potential total. Trump would need 98.8 % of the Independents to win.


    What you fail to realize is that every one of the Bernie votes will go to Trump. It won’t even be close in NY.

  • Prediction Markets Show Cruz Craters After Deal With Kasich; Fiorina, Pence Not Boosting Him

    05/02/2016 7:46:27 AM PDT · 50 of 88
    JAKraig to Principled
    We have a representative democracy - each state decides its own rules for primaries... the federal government doesn’t. So Cruz is going at it the way it was designed. Trump is going at it like we live in a pure democracy.


    I believe you are 100% wrong in this assessment.

    Trump has a very limited budget, it is his own money. He has never been a tax and spend other peoples money, he has been a borrow and spend and pay it back and keep the profit person. He is not borrowing for this contest, he is simply trying to do this on the cheap and I think he has been very effective. We do have a representative Democracy. I don't think there is anybody in any political office any smarter than Trump. People said George W was dumb. How silly, he was a fighter pilot. People say Trump is dumb, how silly he graduated Wharton and is a Billionaire 10 times over.

    Trump is not a dummy, he accomplishes what he sets out to do, I am impressed.

    He will beat Hillary like a drum.