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  • Police have no responsibility to protect individuals (reference)

    03/29/2013 3:25:28 AM PDT · 29 of 31
    Zon to NewJerseyJoe

    The U.S. Supreme Court has written: “Citizenship is membership in a political society, and implies a duty of allegiance on the part of the member and a duty of protection on the part of the society. These are reciprocal obligations, one being a compensation for the other.” Luria v, U.S., 231 U.S. 9, 22. (1913)

    No duty to protect means there is no corresponding obligation of allegience. No allegiance to their million+ laws, statutes and regulations.

    A State is a body politic — political society. A body politic is the citizens.

    Connect the dots:
    There is no duty to protect > there is no obligation of allegiance > there are no citizens > there is no body politic — no political society > there is no State.

    Factually what is a State? What is the State of Arizona? The State of Arizona is an act of congress — words on paper. A legal fiction. Prior to February 14, 1912, the State of Arizona didn’t exist.

    What is government? Men and women providing services by compulsion/violence.

    Politicians don’t represent people. Pay the tax or go to jail isn’t representation. It’s ownership, or at least enslavement.

  • Justices Rule Police Do Not Have a Constitutional Duty to Protect Someone (2005 SC case)

    03/18/2013 5:03:10 AM PDT · 55 of 55
    Zon to lapsus calami

    Connect the dots:

    The U.S. Supreme Court has written: “Citizenship is membership in a political society, and implies a duty of allegiance on the part of the member and a duty of protection on the part of the society. These are reciprocal obligations, one being a compensation for the other.” Luria v, U.S., 231 U.S. 9, 22. (1913)

    As an aside to the above, every dictionary I’ve seen has a definition of citizen: a duty of allegiance in return for a duty to protect.

    The State is the body politic. A body politic is the citizens.

    Connect the dots:
    There is no duty to protect > there is no obligation of negligence > there are no citizens > there is no body politic > there is no State.

    Factually what is a State? What is the State of Arizona? The State of Arizona is an act of congress — words on paper. A legal fiction. Prior to February 14, 1912, the State of Arizona didn’t exist.

    What is government? Men and women providing services by compulsion/violence.

    Politicians don’t represent people. Pay the tax or go to jail isn’t representation. It’s ownership, or at least enslavement.

  • Former governor Jesse Ventura says he'd consider running with Ron Paul

    04/04/2011 8:58:34 PM PDT · 39 of 40
    Zon to Prokopton
    "That's right, keep it classy. Show everyone we're not really lowlife fanatics like DU."

    Way too late. I use to be an everyday reader/poster on FreeRepublic since 1998 to 2006. I occasionally return to see how things have progressed -- for better or worse.

  • Prescott Bush and the Nazi (I need help refuting this)

    05/10/2009 3:06:18 AM PDT · 93 of 93
    Zon to michaelbfree
    so let's explore the Kennedy's life history under daddy joe warbucks..or let's explore the history of many other prominent American names - not just a few of which made their fortunes in drug smuggling or booze running..

    And Prescott Bush's laundering money for the Nazis. It's a fact, as is Joe Kennedy's bootlegging. Facts are facts and is separate issue from whether they are reported. People in denial of facts of reality do so to their own detriment.

  • 420 Smoke Out at CU Boulder -- education today

    04/26/2009 11:48:31 AM PDT · 62 of 62
    Zon to el marco
    I've been off of FreeRepublic as a regular reader and poster almost two years. I came here today to research an issue seemingly unrelated to this thread. My research and that of several others found a few very effective ways to stop a legal proceeding that is a charge against a person for having committed a victimless crime.

    If a charge against a person is not founded on an injury to a man, woman or child -- commonly called a victimless crime -- then there's no corpus delicti (body of the crime) for a valid cause of action. Ratification of commencement demands that the prosecutor brings to court an injured man, woman or child and that the injury was allegedly due to an act by the defendant. This would typically be an affidavit of a sworn complaint signed by the injured living person under an oath of perjury. That is the body of the crime.

    Do a Google search on "ratification of commencement" and "corpus delicti" and you'll find dozens of court cases that were dismissed because they lacked both of those. You'll also find the requirement for corpus delicti in most State constitutions. To learn more about corpus delicti google Adventures in Legal Land or go to marcstevens.net . Also, while there watch the video Delusions. For ratification of commencement see statusisfreedom.com -- right sidebar. 

    Think of how many victimless crimes are being prosecuted: traffic tickets, IRS charges, illicit drug charges, driving an unregistered motor vehicle, driving without a license, and the list goes on.

    People are using the fact that there's no injured party (man, woman or child or their property) that has cause to state a claim to get charges dismissed.

    These aren't flukes or loopholes. They're people waking up to reality. 

    Here's another thing. With most charges the plaintiff is the State. Yet the State cannot testify that it has been injured because the State has no energy. The State is a legal fiction. If a judge says the prosecutor represents the State of ________... Response, "Then I demand the prosecutor produce the document that the State of Texas signed granting the prosecutor power of attorney for the State of Texas." The State can't sign a document anymore than a car, fork or hat can.

    Also, know that all lawyers are an officer of the court and their first obligation is to the court. Second in priority is to the bar association and last in line is the defendant. I'll never hire a lawyer to defend me.

    Reality check: Government is men and women providing services at the barrel of a gun. If those services were so valuable people would freely avail themselves of them.

  • Blatant Vote Fraud In Texas Senate

    10/03/2007 4:23:52 PM PDT · 9 of 10
    Zon to Robert A. Cook, PE
    What happened?

    Vote fraud.

  • Blatant Vote Fraud In Texas Senate

    10/03/2007 4:23:03 PM PDT · 8 of 10
    Zon to YCTHouston

    Legislature, split the difference. Do you have any comment about what you saw?

  • Blatant Vote Fraud In Texas Senate

    10/03/2007 6:04:02 AM PDT · 1 of 10
    Zon
    http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/39986/
  • Ron Paul Speaks at Aaron Russo Memorial Service

    09/10/2007 1:08:04 AM PDT · 23 of 47
    Zon to cowtowney

    The Freedom to Fascism video does a good job of exposing the matrix of government fraud.

  • Fair Tax, Foul Politics [NRO on FairTax]

    08/25/2007 6:35:03 PM PDT · 520 of 527
    Zon to phil_will1

    That had a lot of good information about the current system, as well as a persuasive argument for his preferred solution. The problem is that that recording was made 10 years ago (about the time the FairTax was in development) and I see no public support or even awareness of it.

    The presentation was accurate yet unrealistic in the frame it was presented in. It failed to acknowledge the steps required that a revenue neutral tax plan be implemented before reducing the size and spending of government. This is my understanding that the FairTax gains control of the taxpayers' part in funding the government and once implemented then tighten the reigns on government dereliction of duty.

    Now, that is one frame of reference but it is not the best nor widest scope or big picture.

    I've been immersed in research for four weeks to get at the roots. To discover the nuts and bolts of the legal and lawful aspects of government operations -- statutory/admiralty/maritime law and jurisdiction. 

    I've had to re-question and revisit and further research in light of newly acquired information the foundations on which governments -- local, county, state and federal -- operate and the people's relationship to government under each government's jurisdiction. 

    Also universities, mainstream media, money, currency the banking system, the federal reserve and multi-national corporations. The methods, strategies, tactics and concepts used to deceive and defraud virtually ever living person. Not just in the united States of America but also virtually ever living person in all other countries.

    Very little of the information is speculation. More than ninety percent is documented fact. Many bits and pieces have been discussed on FR. Whereas I've seen no mention whatsoever of other areas. Two key pieces of the puzzle have no presence on this forum. Least wise none that I've seen.

    Many people on these threads know me from theses threads. To that I inform you that what I've discovered, as have many people before me uncovered many pieces of the big picture puzzle is that beyond their accurate analogies to the movie The Matrix as a metaphor, little has been mentioned about where this all goes when Neo, in the last scene says just prior to hanging up the telephone, "Where it goes from here is up to you..." 

    The picture of where this is intended to go and how to proceed is being filled in. It's the half of the big picture where all future progress and prosperity will flourish.

    In the other half of the picture is at least six, but probably not more than ten, large puzzle pieces that accurately describe that half of the picture that is to be separated or cleaved from the big picture. This describes the matrix. It is in that half of the picture that the controllers and handlers -- parasitical elites -- where many or most dissatisfied people wind up fighting the prevailing current -- swimming upstream, so to speak -- without having accurately identified what they're up against--the nuts and bolts and in most cases the foundation.

    The FairTax grass roots movement is one piece of the puzzle. Because it's a headline, attention grabber that the people in general can sink their teeth into. It leads people to question other areas that they otherwise would not be inclined to look into or research.

    Side note. Carrying on the legacy of my tagline, after nine years of posting to FR, for the first time I've posted something at my profile page.

  • Fair Tax, Foul Politics [NRO on FairTax]

    08/18/2007 3:25:29 PM PDT · 401 of 527
    Zon to Bigun
    Listen to this audio presentation of the Perfect Tax and in it, among many important facts you will discover the insidious agenda of the squirrels for posting to the FairTax threads. 
  • U.S. stocks fall sharply amid credit, Wal-Mart woes

    08/14/2007 2:22:41 PM PDT · 40 of 55
    Zon to dashing doofus

    Good one. Who was it that said that or where did I read it? Is that a fairly common phrase?

  • Trees Won't Fix Global Warming

    08/13/2007 4:24:35 PM PDT · 51 of 59
    Zon to USFRIENDINVICTORIA

    Since when was the idea that the trees would grow faster? The idea was just to plant more of them.

    It's in the first two paragraphs. Couldn't miss it. I scanned the rest to see if there would be any mention of that critical fact. That's besides the most important fact, as you mentioned: there's not an anthropic global warming problem. 

  • DEP fines Teacher $12,000 for planting too close to Wetlands

    08/08/2007 4:38:27 PM PDT · 54 of 55
    Zon to Coleus
    Jeff White stepped forward to become surety for the JEFF WHITE corporate fiction. JEFF WHITE was being addressed by the court -- not Jeff White. 

    Big mistake that virtually everyone makes.

    A court order or police acting for they court must identify the JEFF WHITE fiction before any summons, traffic ticket or court order can be served/attached to it. Since fictions are not living beings they cannot speak or move 

    Jeff White never signed a contract that obligated him to perform as surety for the JEFF WHITE corporate fiction.

    Within five days after Jeff White's birth the registrar at the hospital sent the birth certificate to the State Registrar. The State Registrar recorded the birth certificate and the JEFF WHITE corporate fiction was created and bond attached. The liability bond is similar to the commercial liability bond a Sheriff stands on when performing his official duties. Except...

    Except for one very important difference. The Sheriff took an oath and entered into contract  knowingly, voluntarily, and intentionally. Jeff White didn't. Jeff was held by adhesion to the contract that he was ignorant of. It was his coming forward that his spoken name Jeff White was intentionally misconstrued to be JEFF WHITE the corporate fiction.

    In common law Jeff is his chosen/given name and White is his family name. In Statutory law JEFF is the first name and WHITE is the last name.

    Notice that in courtrooms and police stations and many other public buildings the US flag has a gold fringe on three sides. That identifies it as under the admiralty/maritime jurisdiction. Because that jurisdiction concerns international law congress wrote the codes into the UNITED STATES corporate laws. For the most part it's all about contract, liability and remedy in that jurisdiction. It was a blending of equity law and admiral/maritime law and they call it Statutory Law and Statutory Jurisdiction.

  • Central Florida Woman Mistakenly Jailed For 9 Days Over Clerical Error

    08/07/2007 10:27:33 AM PDT · 104 of 199
    Zon to Sloth

    In a just society, this girl would OWN the Sheriff’s department.

    From the article it certainly appears that she has been dishonored. The Sheriffs are bonded and so are their Persons. She could lawfully issue them a bill for whatever she figures her hours spent in their custody is worth. 

    Unfortunately she doesn't understand the statues and how to use them and no attorney would act in that capacity for her. If an attorney was to act as her agent he would most likely be disbarred for doing what she can lawfully do.

  • (U.K.) Hotels Must Switch to Single Rooms Only or Allow Homosexual Sex on Premises

    07/30/2007 4:03:14 PM PDT · 14 of 27
    Zon to squidly

    Ask them?

  • Gun Sales Spike

    07/30/2007 3:17:26 PM PDT · 26 of 103
    Zon to neverdem
    Insanity! 

    It's pure insanity I tell ya.

    It seems everyone is running out to buy killer guns. Blood will run deep in the streets.

    Insanity check: does this post require an off-sarcasm tag?

  • Ancient fossil forest found by accident (potential major out of order problem for Darwinists)

    07/30/2007 3:07:26 PM PDT · 75 of 376
    Zon to -YYZ-

    Don’t underestimate creationists ability to grasp the tiniest bit of unsubstantiated evidence as proof that evolutionary theory is wrong.

    Like throwing spaghetti against the wall to see if it sticks. It almost never does, but they keep trying. What does stick, after further scrutiny it usually ends up supporting evolution.

  • How cannabis turns young rats into dope-heads

    07/30/2007 2:56:01 PM PDT · 41 of 77
    Zon to Scourge of God

    If MJ were legal, would you want it sold to your junior high aged children?

    You mean like it is now with marijuana prohibition, marijuana controlled by violent gangs and organized crime as opposed to government regulated like alcohol? I haven't seen beer distributors gunning it out for turf since the days of alcohol prohibition. Same goes for quality control. Back then it wasn't uncommon for people to die from drinking bootleg booze. Kids too. Marijuana has caused zero death.

    Law Enforcement Against Prohibition (LEAP).

  • How cannabis turns young rats into dope-heads

    07/30/2007 2:17:35 PM PDT · 36 of 77
    Zon to ari-freedom; Scourge of God; Hemingway's Ghost
    I just watched Idiocracy. All of it. Then returned to resume reading this thread. And I swear, reading the posts, the juxtaposition was as though I hadn't left the movie script. It was awesome. Thanks a million.

    I have to thank Scourge of God for portraying the future and Hemingway's Ghost the lighthearted reality check.

  • Ron Paul’s Impact on The Election (Semi Barf Alert)

    07/30/2007 12:22:27 PM PDT · 213 of 248
    Zon to ovrtaxt
    It's been discussed a few time on FT threads here at FR. It's a delightful unintended yet unavoidable consequence. In the long run America will need other countries to aggressively accelerate the pace, scope and reach of their business and economic activity.

    A not so delightful unintended consequence is many countries will likely have tantrums over United States switching to the FairTax. That reminds me of a few years back the feds said no to France trying to persuade the feds to spy and report on French citizens incomes derived in the US.

  • Ron Paul’s Impact on The Election (Semi Barf Alert)

    07/30/2007 11:51:11 AM PDT · 211 of 248
    Zon to getsoutalive

    See Estonia. 

    Just looked over at infoplease.com and their numbers look good. A real growth rate at 7.4% with 4% inflation. Their unemployment is at 9% and their currency is gaining steadily on the dollar for ten years. It's estimated to have 100% literacy. That seems odd with 9% unemployment.

    Not exactly a first world utopia, but they have seriously embraced free market principals and are reaping major benefits.

    Twenty-five percent of their roads are paved. They have twice as many cell-phone "lines" as land-phone lines.

    They have an income tax and a VAT. Get this: JANUARY 2007 Income Tax
    From 1.1.2007 -- the new flat income tax rate for companies and individuals is 22%(2006 rate-23%). The flat rate would be further reduced to 21% in 2008 and 20% from 2009.

    They're headed in the right direction regarding income tax.

  • Ron Paul’s Impact on The Election (Semi Barf Alert)

    07/30/2007 9:34:57 AM PDT · 200 of 248
    Zon to traviskicks
    The cure for terrorism is freedom.  Where there's freedom terrorism is absent. If the government returned itself to abide by and honor the original meaning of the constitution the only way for other nations to compete would be to focus on protecting inalienable rights.

    One aspect of returning to the constitution is a first step: enact the FairTax. It's not a matter of if, but when the first country installs a consumption tax type FairTax as the primary means of tax collection. 

    The first developed country that does that will have an almost unfair advantage for attracting productive citizens, new businesses and jobs. 

    To stay competitive for jobs and tax dollars other countries will have to follow suit or lose increasing number of productive citizens to countries that use a FairTax consumption tax as the sole or primary means of collecting taxes.

    United States must take the lead in this true solution to defeating terrorism. First defeat it from within and it will spread on it's own to other countries. Science and business can defeat terrorism with the help of the government held to the original meaning of the constituion. The sooner the better. 

  • Eminent Domain (essay by Fred Thompson)

    07/30/2007 9:01:52 AM PDT · 66 of 157
    Zon to SE Mom

    Now, nearly two weeks ago, members of both parties in Congress introduced legislation in the House that would deny federal economic funding to state and local governments upon a finding that those governments had abused their power of eminent domain by seizing private property that would be used for private economic development.

    That's all well and good except that a state's taxpayers have been abused by eminent domain are going to get abused again by the feds not returning some of money that taxpayers paid the federal government. 

    That's always been a problem when the feds hold taxpayer dollars and thus taxpayers hostage when the state doesn't act how the federal government wants it to do. It's the feds saying, "jump though our hoops backwards and then we'll return you your money." Accept they wouldn't say it that way because they think it's the government's money that they, the parasitical politicians and bureaucrats get to do whatever they want with.

    Noble laureate Milton Friedman put it this way: 

    "There are four ways in which you can spend money. You can spend your own money on yourself. When you do that, why then you really watch out what you’re doing, and you try to get the most for your money. Then you can spend your own money on somebody else. For example, I buy a birthday present for someone. Well, then I’m not so careful about the content of the present, but I’m very careful about the cost. Then, I can spend somebody else’s money on myself. And if I spend somebody else’s money on myself, then I’m sure going to have a good lunch! Finally, I can spend somebody else’s money on somebody else. And if I spend somebody else’s money on somebody else, I’m not concerned about how much it is, and I’m not concerned about what I get. And that’s government. And that’s close to 40% of our national income.

    The individual and business owner will spend his money to protect his customers better than the government will.

    What Fred should have in mind is for the feds to return the "hostage" money (fed tax dollars) directly to the citizens rather than withhold it from the State government. That sends a federal message to the state government to stop abusing its citizens.

    Make no mistake. This is a power struggle.

    Those that aren't their own enemy will see that the following author gets it and not shoot the messenger for his spot on target message. Political Power and the Rule of Law.

  • Ron Paul’s Impact on The Election (Semi Barf Alert)

    07/29/2007 11:22:03 PM PDT · 163 of 248
    Zon to traviskicks

    I think our own government is and has proven to be a greater threat to our liberty and way of life than any stone age islamic terrorist.

    Apparently you're not alone. There was a telephone poll awhile back that showed that most Americans have a greater fear of the IRS than terrorists.

    I suspect they're confident that government can defend them better against Islamic terrorists than the IRS.

  • Ron Paul’s Impact on The Election (Semi Barf Alert)

    07/29/2007 10:58:54 PM PDT · 162 of 248
    Zon to rineaux

    for someone who is going to have an absolute zero impact on the race, a lot of papers, blogs, chats are about him. kind of makes you wonder. someone must be afraid that all classes of people are starting to pay attention.

    For his efforts, Ron Paul has learned and is capitalizing on something that the tow-the-line candidates have yet to realize. It's the very thing that leads some political-minded people to ridicule him. They're swimming upstream. 

    For the most part there's two flavors of against-the-current swimmers. 

    There's those that know they're fighting a current but are unsure of how to change its direction. They can't.  In their confusion they lash out in ridicule.. 

    The rest are mostly oblivious of the view/perspective of the people that get it--the downstream swimmers. Their ridicule comes from the erroneous belief that they're swimming with the current and can chide those they pass whom they think are going upstream.

    An unstoppable undercurrent that among other things recognizes that politics is the problem, not the solution.

    Neither understands the conflict. They'll win some more battles. But as the wins come fewer and further between more and more will jump ship. Where will the find solid ground?

    Value Producers
    versus
    Value Destroyers

     

  • Society Of Vertebrate Paleontology Speaks Out On Creation Museum

    07/29/2007 2:46:04 PM PDT · 11 of 133
    Zon to brigadoon

    So I guess censorship in the name of science is acceptable.

    I read the article and I see that you are the only person talking about censorship.

    Whether or not one agrees with the premise of this museum, its founder has a right to advocate his position and present it to the public.

    Yes he does. It's freedom of speech. Speech that the majority agrees with is already protected, It's speech that is in the minority that most needs first amendment protection. Of course, that has no bearing on whether the speech is honest or irrational. See tagline.

  • PETER PAUL AND HILLARY: As court date nears, this timeline will make it understandable to the MSM

    07/29/2007 2:35:25 PM PDT · 28 of 143
    Zon to doug from upland

    This time, however, she will be confronted with 5 hours of home video and things she could not possibly fail to recall.

    Either way, it's incompetence to not have recall of so much interaction and it's incompetent to pathologically lie about not recalling any of the many meetings and dialogs she had with Paul.

    Apparently those don't disqualify a person from being a Senator. ..Leastwise until a large number of advertising dollars pay to get the story out to the general public. And if no media outlet will accept the advertisements then direct mail would be the likely option.

    Frankly, I think talk radio is going to do it "for" Hillary. Perhaps Hillary could go on several talk-radio programs to ensure that she gets equal time on this issue.

  • DNA Taken From Pitbull That Raped 2-Year-Old (Police Want Help With Investigation)

    07/29/2007 1:44:45 PM PDT · 210 of 301
    Zon to ozzymandus

    ozzymandus wrote: If a dog humps your leg, it’s now “rape”?? Jeeze, get a grip, people. 8

    Please elaborate on what you meant by that at the time you wrote it and how it pertains to the article that began this thread.

  • Workers are told to shape up or pay up

    07/29/2007 1:00:00 PM PDT · 58 of 70
    Zon to calex59

    Here’s a test for all of you: If you think fining prople for their weight and living habits is ok, raise your hand.

    I don't know what you mean by "ok". In all honesty, a business can fire a person for any reason or no reason given at all which would hinge on the terms originally set forth in the employer-employee contract/agreement regarding firing. Freedom to disassociate as per their agreement.

    If you bring government into it mandating something of the employer or employee then a person that advocated that is a supporter of big government -- regardless of what political party they affiliate with, IMO.

  • Workers are told to shape up or pay up

    07/29/2007 12:47:46 PM PDT · 57 of 70
    Zon to indylindy

    Maybe someday people will push back. Doubtful though.

    Any system that contains an irrational element will eventually compound itself until the system collapses.

    It stops functioning altogether or hobbles along in varying states of chaos.

     In either case the system can no longer produce the anywhere near the intended result set at the outset.

    Kind of makes you wonder what the intended result or outcome was intended at the outset. 

    I mean, I know what the founding fathers meant when they put it into the words of the constitution. 

    What the politicians and bureaucrats are doing today is not at all what the authors of the constitution meant.

    Begging the question: what is the intent of more recent and present-day politicians and bureaucrats?

    To control people and business via oppression and enslavement.

    So many things that are illegal for JOHN SMITH to do are not illegal for John Smith to do.

    Most recent and present-day politicians and bureaucrats in their official capacities do what they do with JOHN SMITH the fiction in mind... Not John Smith their constituent/employer in mind, as the founders meant it to be.

  • Workers are told to shape up or pay up

    07/29/2007 12:17:53 PM PDT · 51 of 70
    Zon to Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek

    However, any of the “universal health care” schemes will likely make such practices illegal.

    Thus private health care, regardless of how exemplary it may be, will be proclaimed to be -- under the color of law -- organized crime. When in fact government is the mastery of organized crime.

    So many things that are illegal for JOHN SMITH to do are not illegal for John Smith to do.

  • Workers are told to shape up or pay up

    07/29/2007 11:14:21 AM PDT · 30 of 70
    Zon to indylindy

    I wonder if this is still the USA?

    If you mean the Uninformed Slaves of America, then yes.

    Or is it the United Slaves of America?

  • Tonight Show's Jay Leno Jokes of Priests as Pedophiles Six Times in Five Weeks

    07/29/2007 10:36:14 AM PDT · 159 of 159
    Zon to Grunthor

    Zon wrote: The man is protecting his children and you chastise him for it. That the pedophile priest and the attempted cover up and big money out of court settlements, all done at the will and backing of the Church. And you're trying to convince him that's it's okay to send his young male child into that corrupt institution alone with a priest and have him believe its safe. 156

    Zon wrote: Grunthor can correct me if I've misunderstood him.156

    I could not say it any better than the Irishman did.

    Did you mistake what I wrote above for what the Irishman wrote? 

  • Fake Rights vs Real Rights

    07/29/2007 7:41:42 AM PDT · 13 of 38
    Zon to Kaslin
    Each and every human being  has an inalienable right to suicide. Each and every human being has an inalienable right to not be enslaved. 

    This is the inalienable right of freedom of association. Freedom of association is that two or more people must agree to associate. It requires two or more persons to make a choice. In other words, it requires at least two people to each chose of their own free will to enter an agreement or contract. This is how free market transactions happen. The corollary, and starting point, is that a person can choose to not associate. It requires only one person's choice. It's one person's choice to not enter an agreement or contract that's offered by another person. 

  • HillaryCare Exposing Itself as a Catastrophe

    07/29/2007 6:46:38 AM PDT · 17 of 41
    Zon to randita

    The first ones to advocate socialized medicine are also the first ones to decry the shabby treatment vets get at veteran's hospitals (i.e. Walter Reed, which is now closed or is closing soon). What makes socialized medicine proponents think that the government would handle health care for the average citizen any differently or better than veteran's hospitals do.

    They must be freaking nuts! They point out shabby treatment at government run  veteran hospitals and then advocate more government controlled health care. Do they hypnotize the people whom they "sell" their garbage health care plan to? Because that's the only way I can see an average joe believing it.

  • Clinton hot and bothered over cleavage report [the Hildebeast shows skin???]

    07/28/2007 6:53:41 PM PDT · 30 of 93
    Zon to seanmerc

    "Frankly, focusing on women's bodies instead of their ideas is insulting. It's insulting to every woman who has ever tried to be taken seriously in a business meeting," Lewis wrote.

    Is not dress an expression of ideas; how one covers their body? Or in this case, how a small part of the body wasn't covered, instead exposed.

    If the clothes don't make the person then a bathing suit will do (ack!) or a frump old house coat, or sweat pants and flip-flops. But cleavage!?!...Give us break Hillary. 

    We've heard the media quip that he's dressed smartly; or she was dressed down. How about she's dressed like a cheap slut chasing a two dollar bill through a trailer park?

    Somebody fit that woman a burka.

  • Tonight Show's Jay Leno Jokes of Priests as Pedophiles Six Times in Five Weeks

    07/28/2007 3:08:41 PM PDT · 156 of 159
    Zon to IrishBrigade; Grunthor
    The man is protecting his children and you chastise him for it. That the pedophile priest and the attempted cover up and big money out of court settlements, all done at the will and backing of the Church. And you're trying to convince him that's it's okay to send his young male child into that corrupt institution alone with a priest and have him believe its safe. 

    Grunthor can correct me if I've misunderstood him.

  • Tonight Show's Jay Leno Jokes of Priests as Pedophiles Six Times in Five Weeks

    07/28/2007 2:34:34 PM PDT · 154 of 159
    Zon to netmilsmom
    I prefer honesty. There's no gray area with honesty. Something is either honest or it's not. 

    As it pertains to the United States and its citizens, come the following questions:

    Out of the total number of known pedophiles, what percentage of them are not charged and put on trial?

    Out of the total number of known pedophiles that are priests, what percentage of them are not charged or put on trial?

    What's the average number of years a pedophile is sentenced to imprisonment?

    What's the average number of years a pedophile that's a priest is sentenced to imprisonment?

    Have pedophile priests names and pertinent information been entered into sex offender lists so that local communities can know their whereabouts?

    Plus, there's many questions regarding the people that knew who the priests are that are pedophiles and those that harbored them rather than tell the police that crimes had been committed against children. 

    Priests excluded, I query whether, similar to the Church example, there has been an increase in pedophiles being caught whom try to settle out of court. If successful, are they put on the sex offender lists?

    It's not honesty that hurts or offends. It's dishonesty that hurts and offends. These questions would be unwarranted if the pedophile priests and certain higher ranking persons in the Church were not dishonest

  • Pot may hike risk of psychosis, research finds

    07/27/2007 8:04:12 PM PDT · 20 of 28
    Zon to LongTimeMILurker

    Drug compounds can have many deleterious effects short of death, so I’m not sure what your point is about the coroner’s office.

    Coroners list the known cause of death of each body. They have listed alcohol poisoning as the cause of death many times. They have never listed marijuana as a cause of death.

    You know what I'm getting at. You responded to post 10 as though the below questions didn't exist there.

    In how many deaths has alcohol been determined to be the cause of death? 
    In how many deaths has marijuana been determined to be the cause of death?

    What percentage of people that consume alcohol die from it?
    What percentage of people that consume marijuana die from it?

    What's the ratio of people that act out violently under the influence of alcohol? 
    What's the ratio of people that act out violently under the influence of marijuana?

    Who should decide what a person puts or doesn't put into their body, the individual or the government?

  • Tonight Show's Jay Leno Jokes of Priests as Pedophiles Six Times in Five Weeks

    07/27/2007 7:45:17 PM PDT · 146 of 159
    Zon to IrishBrigade; Grunthor

    I would NEVER under ANY circumstances EVER allow a young male member of my family to be alone with a Catholic Priest. I’m sorry, it’s just not safe...131

    ...nice little bit of profiling there...gee, let’s see, we got single digit percentages of gay priests out there doing what they’re doing, which leaves 90 plus percent walking the line...and you’re fine with slamming the entire profession...think you’d do that with any other group of people, or are priests just special...

    It's the man's family he's determined to protect! Are you like a scout or something working on behalf of pedophile priest -- trying to lead young boys to them to be sexually molested? 

  • Tonight Show's Jay Leno Jokes of Priests as Pedophiles Six Times in Five Weeks

    07/27/2007 7:27:25 PM PDT · 145 of 159
    Zon to netmilsmom

    It's irrelevant his religious leanings, it's the truth that he is offended by.116

    The truth of what?
    Someone’s opinion of celebate priests?

    This is the post he was talking about.
    “I was raised a Catholic but have had nothing to do with the church since I was old enough to make up my own mind. A celibate priesthood is lunacy and does not work. One of the more ridiculous things I can think of is receiving pre-marriage counseling from the church if the one giving the advice is a celibate.And the church leaders decided long ago that in the case of pedophile priests, the survival of the church was more important than the well being of flock. That is why they downplayed the incidents in the past and will still do so when they can. I cheer everytime I hear that they have to pay millions.”

    Opinion, not truth.

    You're right. Truth is a mushy hydra-headed word. It's meaning changes from context to context. 

    I prefer honesty. There's no gray area with honesty. Something is either honest or it's not. 

    As it pertains to the United States and its citizens, come the following questions:

    Out of the total number of known pedophiles, what percentage of them are not charged and put on trial?

    Out of the total number of known pedophiles that are priests, what percentage of them are not charged or put on trial?

    What's the average number of years a pedophile is sentenced to imprisonment?

    What's the average number of years a pedophile that's a priest is sentenced to imprisonment?

    Have pedophile priests names and pertinent information been entered into sex offender lists so that local communities can know their whereabouts?

    Plus, there's many questions regarding the people that knew who the priests are that are pedophiles and those that harbored them rather than tell the police that crimes had been committed against children. 

    Priests excluded, I query whether, similar to the Church example, there has been an increase in pedophiles being caught whom try to settle out of court. If successful, are they put on the sex offender lists?

    It's not honesty that hurts or offends. It's dishonesty that hurts and offends. These questions would be unwarranted if the pedophile priests and certain higher ranking persons in the Church were not dishonest.

  • Tonight Show's Jay Leno Jokes of Priests as Pedophiles Six Times in Five Weeks

    07/27/2007 9:13:57 AM PDT · 116 of 159
    Zon to netmilsmom

    Did you happen to read that Clear_Case guy is not Catholic?

    It's irrelevant his religious leanings, it's the truth that he is offended by. Your comment is irrational insinuation, IMO.

  • Tonight Show's Jay Leno Jokes of Priests as Pedophiles Six Times in Five Weeks

    07/27/2007 9:09:47 AM PDT · 114 of 159
    Zon to wagglebee

    My point is the from the highest levels the Church has acknowledged past problems, taken every possible step to rectify past wrongs (including spending hundreds of millions of dollars) and this doesn’t get reported or if it does it’s downplayed.

    I must have missed the news reports where the highest levels in the Church called for jury trials and imprisonment of pedophile priests and those that knowingly transferred them to different churches rather than report them to the police. Do you have a web-link to such news report?

  • Tonight Show's Jay Leno Jokes of Priests as Pedophiles Six Times in Five Weeks

    07/27/2007 8:46:07 AM PDT · 101 of 159
    Zon to Caipirabob

    Jay Leno is basically making fun of a cancer patient here, IMHO.

    Poor victimized pedophile priests. It's not their fault. /s

  • Tonight Show's Jay Leno Jokes of Priests as Pedophiles Six Times in Five Weeks

    07/27/2007 8:42:29 AM PDT · 97 of 159
    Zon to ClearCase_guy

    The truth hurts you. I can understand that.

  • Pot may hike risk of psychosis, research finds

    07/27/2007 8:06:19 AM PDT · 18 of 28
    Zon to LongTimeMILurker

    Everyone’s body reacts differently to different drugs. That’s why the results of any drug trial are confusing.

    The results at the coroner's office are not confusing. Either the cause of death is known or not known. Under the influence of any drug it can be determined a level of violence above or below the base line of violence not under the influence of any drug. 

    If the best in brightest in our country are left dulled and somehow politically changed, how does that affect America and how does it benefit countries trying to destroy it?

    Not sure. It seems to me that the best and the brightest would be too smart to be, as you put it, "left dulled". Being smart to begin with how could they be left dull without being made dull first?

     But if a person can't or won't answer pertinent questions they're worthy of being ignored, IMO.

  • (GEICO)'Cavemen' series gets a new criticism: It's racist

    07/27/2007 6:58:51 AM PDT · 45 of 129
    Zon to Buffettfan
    I guarantee you that these very same people who think that the “Cavemen” are a laugh a minute would NEVER dress up a group of black people as apes and then use them in a Geico Insurance commercial. END of story!

    Most people -- all but a small handful -- that find "Caveman" a laugh a minute don't work for Geico thus don't have the authority to dress up a group of black people as apes and use them in a Gieco Insurance commercial. I would think that was obvious, right? I don't even feel sorry for people that say think otherwise. ;-)

  • (GEICO)'Cavemen' series gets a new criticism: It's racist

    07/27/2007 6:46:30 AM PDT · 39 of 129
    Zon to SkyPilot
    Luv the segregated m&ms picture.
  • Pot may hike risk of psychosis, research finds

    07/27/2007 5:45:18 AM PDT · 10 of 28
    Zon to Wolfie
    In how many deaths has alcohol been determined to be the cause of death? 
    In how many deaths has marijuana been determined to be the cause of death?

    What percentage of people that consume alcohol die from it?
    What percentage of people that consume marijuana die from it?

    What's the ratio of people that act out violently under the influence of alcohol? 
    What's the ratio of people that act out violently under the influence of marijuana?

    Who should decide what a person puts or doesn't put into their body, the individual or the government?