Posted on 03/21/2009 6:26:13 AM PDT by cowboyway
ATLANTA — In a cultural war that has pitted Old South against new, defenders of the Confederate legacy have opened a fresh front in their campaign to polish an image tarnished, they said, by people who do not respect Southern values.
With the 150th anniversary of the War Between the States in 2011, efforts are under way in statehouses, small towns and counties across the South to push for proclamations or legislation promoting Confederate history.
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Well I do see your point, however, this is mine: I am proud to say my ancestors fought for a noble cause. And for the rest of the ‘4 million or so’ enslaved folks, they are still waiting for their 40 acers and a mule promised by northerners.
Are you saying that you're owed that?
There was 'a' promise made by a general who it appears was not authorized to make it. And had Sherman's plan been carried out we would no doubt be hearing from Lost Causers complaining that great-great-granddaddy's farm had been taken and given to a freed slave.
As it was, the Freedman's Bureau was set up to assist the former slaves in transitioning into freedom. Ignored is the fact that the same help was also available to Southern whites through the same bureau, but was rejected by them.
The northerners basically spit on the “freed slaves” by lying to them. You can take that for what it's worth.
Better to have been left in slavery?
Today's attack on freedom is, once again, coming from the north in the form of socialism/communism.
Am I to understand that you will be siding with the South? Will you stand with Jim DeMint, Mark Sandord, cowboyway and face down your northern brethern?
Considering their cause and it's fate, they did die in vain.
Being willing to take up arms and fight to the death against a tyrannical, aggressive invader is not in vain. Their legacy is self evident.
Why don't you go snort some more diesel fumes...............
Once again, I am proud to know my kin fought for a noble cause (they knew were they stood!), rather than to have been lied to and forced to fight for an unjust cause. BTW, there were also Black slave owners in the south, and not all slaves were imprisioned.
But you assume I support it simply because I'm from the North. Did you support Clinton and Carter because they were good old Southern boys?
Being willing to take up arms and fight to the death against a tyrannical, aggressive invader is not in vain.
Dying in a war started by your government to protect their institution of slavery is.
How about these?
"African slavery is the cornerstone of the industrial, social, and political fabric of the South; and whatever wars against it, wars against her very existence. Strike down the institution of African slavery and you reduce the South to depoulation and barbarism." - South Carolina Congressman Lawrence Keitt, 1860
"Our people have come to this on the question of slavery. I am willing, in that address to rest it upon that question. I think it is the great central point from which we are now proceeding, and I am not willing to divert the public attention from it." - Lawrence Keitt "The triumphs of Christianity rest this very hour upon slavery; and slavery depends on the triumphs of the South... This war is the servant of slavery." - Rev John Wrightman, South Carolina, 1861.
"[Recruiting slaves into the army] is abolition doctrine ... the very doctrine which the war was commenced to put down." - Editorial, Jan 1865, North Carolina Standard
"What did we go to war for, if not to protect our [slave] property?" - CSA senator from Virgina, Robert Hunter, 1865
As the last and crowning act of insult and outrage upon the people of the South, the citizens of the Northern States, by overwhelming majorities, on the 6th day of November last, elected Abraham Lincoln and Hannibal Hamlin, President and Vice President of the United States. Whilst it may be admitted that the mere election of any man to the Presidency, is not, per se, a sufficient cause for a dissolution of the Union; yet, when the issues upon, and circumstances under which he was elected, are properly appreciated and understood, the question arises whether a due regard to the interest, honor, and safety of their citizens, in view of this and all the other antecedent wrongs and outrages, do not render it the imperative duty of the Southern States to resume the powers they have delegated to the Federal Government, and interpose their sovereignty for the protection of their citizens.
What, then are the circumstances under which, and the issues upon which he was elected? His own declarations, and the current history of the times, but too plainly indicate he was elected by a Northern sectional vote, against the most solemn warnings and protestations of the whole South. He stands forth as the representative of the fanaticism of the North, which, for the last quarter of a century, has been making war upon the South, her property, her civilization, her institutions, and her interests; as the representative of that party which overrides all Constitutional barriers, ignores the obligations of official oaths, and acknowledges allegiance to a higher law than the Constitution, striking down the sovereignty and equality of the States, and resting its claims to popular favor upon the one dogma, the Equality of the Races, white and black." -- Letter of S.F. Hale, Commissioner of Alabama to the State of Kentucky, to Gov. Magoffin of Kentucky
In the momentous step which our State has taken of dissolving its connection with the government of which we so long formed a part, it is but just that we should declare the prominent reasons which have induced our course.
Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery, the greatest material interest of the world. --Mississppi Declaration of the Causes of Secession
SIR: In obedience to your instructions I repaired to the seat of government of the State of Louisiana to confer with the Governor of that State and with the legislative department on the grave and important state of our political relations with the Federal Government, and the duty of the slave-holding States in the matter of their rights and honor, so menacingly involved in matters connected with the institution of African slavery. --Report from John Winston, Alabama's Secession Commissioner to Louisiana
This was the ground taken, gentlemen, not only by Mississippi, but by other slaveholding States, in view of the then threatened purpose, of a party founded upon the idea of unrelenting and eternal hostility to the institution of slavery, to take possession of the power of the Government and use it to our destruction. It cannot, therefore, be pretended that the Northern people did not have ample warning of the disastrous and fatal consequences that would follow the success of that party in the election, and impartial history will emblazon it to future generations, that it was their folly, their recklessness and their ambition, not ours, which shattered into pieces this great confederated Government, and destroyed this great temple of constitutional liberty which their ancestors and ours erected, in the hope that their descendants might together worship beneath its roof as long as time should last. -- Speech of Fulton Anderson to the Virginia Convention
Texas abandoned her separate national existence and consented to become one of the Confederated Union to promote her welfare, insure domestic tranquility and secure more substantially the blessings of peace and liberty to her people. She was received into the confederacy with her own constitution, under the guarantee of the federal constitution and the compact of annexation, that she should enjoy these blessings. She was received as a commonwealth holding, maintaining and protecting the institution known as negro slavery-- the servitude of the African to the white race within her limits-- a relation that had existed from the first settlement of her wilderness by the white race, and which her people intended should exist in all future time. -- Texas Declaration of the causes of secession
What was the reason that induced Georgia to take the step of secession? This reason may be summed up in one single proposition. It was a conviction, a deep conviction on the part of Georgia, that a separation from the North-was the only thing that could prevent the abolition of her slavery. -- Speech of Henry Benning to the Virginia Convention
Gentlemen, I see before me men who have observed all the records of human life, and many, perhaps, who have been chief actors in many of its gravest scenes, and I ask such men if in all their lore of human society they can offer an example like this? South Carolina has 300,000 whites, and 400,000 slaves. These 300,000 whites depend for their whole system of civilization on these 400,000 slaves. Twenty millions of people, with one of the strongest Governments on the face of the earth, decree the extermination of these 400,000 slaves, and then ask, is honor, is interest, is liberty, is right, is justice, is life, worth the struggle?
Gentlemen, I have thus very rapidly endeavored to group before you the causes which have produced the action of the people of South Carolina. -- Speech of John Preston to the Virginia Convention
This new union with Lincoln Black Republicans and free negroes, without slavery, or, slavery under our old constitutional bond of union, without Lincoln Black Republicans, or free negroes either, to molest us.
If we take the former, then submission to negro equality is our fate. if the latter, then secession is inevitable --- -- Address of William L. Harris of Mississippi
But I trust I may not be intrusive if I refer for a moment to the circumstances which prompted South Carolina in the act of her own immediate secession, in which some have charged a want of courtesy and respect for her Southern sister States. She had not been disturbed by discord or conflict in the recent canvass for president or vice-president of the United States. She had waited for the result in the calm apprehension that the Black Republican party would succeed. She had, within a year, invited her sister Southern States to a conference with her on our mutual impending danger. Her legislature was called in extra session to cast her vote for president and vice-president, through electors, of the United States and before they adjourned the telegraphic wires conveyed the intelligence that Lincoln was elected by a sectional vote, whose platform was that of the Black Republican party and whose policy was to be the abolition of slavery upon this continent and the elevation of our own slaves to equality with ourselves and our children, and coupled with all this was the act that, from our friends in our sister Southern States, we were urged in the most earnest terms to secede at once, and prepared as we were, with not a dissenting voice in the State, South Carolina struck the blow and we are now satisfied that none have struck too soon, for when we are now threatened with the sword and the bayonet by a Democratic administration for the exercise of this high and inalienable right, what might we meet under the dominion of such a party and such a president as Lincoln and his minions. -- Speech of John McQueen, the Secession Commissioner from South Carolina to Texas
History affords no example of a people who changed their government for more just or substantial reasons. Louisiana looks to the formation of a Southern confederacy to preserve the blessings of African slavery, and of the free institutions of the founders of the Federal Union, bequeathed to their posterity. -- Address of George Williamson, Commissioner from Louisiana to the Texas Secession Convention
We will have to disagree on the 'noble cause' part. And while I've no doubt that they knew where they stood in Southern society of the time, I'm not so sure that they were held in the esteem you seem to think their white confederate counterparts held them in. Based on what I've read.
BTW, there were also Black slave owners in the south, and not all slaves were imprisioned.
And like all other black Southerners, free and slave, those slave owners had no rights that a white man was bound to respect. They were not citizens of the U.S. or the confederacy. They were restricted as to where they could live, what they could do, who they could deal with. In most states they couldn't send their children to school. In some states, such as Virginia, blacks bought their family members to keep them from being sent out of state or sold elsewhere. It wasn't a peer-to-peer relationship between black and white slaveowners.
I guess you can read dead peoples minds, are you channeling Sam Watkins?
Yankees are so arrogant they try to tell their adversaries why they are adversaries, they get to dictate your motives. Sheesh!!! Even the Third Reich was not that arrogant. Yankee can't even allow their adversaries that one luxury.
I can read the speeches and the writings of the confederate leaders of the time so it's not hard to understand why they seceded. They went to war to further that aim.
like i said everyone involved is dead. I can only project myself back in time. To the common rank and file, the "leadership" could of made this thing about tulip bulbs, I think everyone was just estatic to end the "relationship". Any excuse.
"You mean the gubment is gonna give me a rifle and free ammo and let me shoot at Yankees? WOOOHAAA, were do I sign up?"
Do you see the slavery issue there, at all?
But the reason wasn't about tulip bulbs, it was about slavery. The desire to end the relationship was motivated overwhelmingly by their need to protect their right to own other people as property. You can't paper over that by saying the reason for the split wasn't important. It was important enough that four states wrote declarations stating their reasons, and for others to send representatives to other slave states to give their reasons for seceding. You may not care why they did it but obviously they did.
Lord give me strength......
But right behind him was a 19 year old who said, "I'm enlisting to prevent the abolitionisht hordes from descending upon my fair family and taking away our slave property."
See? I can make up quotes, too. Does that prove my point?
You would be better off praying, "Lord, give me wisdom."
“Lord, give me wisdom to stop posting to this brainwashed federalist boot licker who cannot seem to grasp reality, who never seems to work or have a life, can’t understand the root cause of the Civil War,the effects of which destroyed the Republic and that a strong centralized government that resulted is bad, left or right, and the the Republic needs to restored if we are to make it and be free.”
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