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Geologists push back date basins formed, supporting frozen Earth theory (basins in India)
University of Florida ^ | Jul 3, 2008 | Unknown

Posted on 07/03/2008 11:08:44 AM PDT by decimon

GAINESVILLE, Fla. --- Even in geology, it's not often a date gets revised by 500 million years.

But University of Florida geologists say they have found strong evidence that a half-dozen major basins in India were formed a billion or more years ago, making them at least 500 million years older than commonly thought. The findings appear to remove one of the major obstacles to the Snowball Earth theory that a frozen Earth was once entirely covered in snow and ice – and might even lend some weight to a controversial claim that complex life originated hundreds of million years earlier than most scientists currently believe.

"In modern geology, to revise the age of basins like this by 500 million years is pretty unique," says Joe Meert, a UF associate professor of geology.

Agreed Abhijit Basu, a professor of geological studies at Indiana University: "The required revision is enormous – 500 million years or about 11 percent of total Earth history."

Meert is one of eight authors of a paper on the research that recently appeared in the online edition of the journal Precambrian Research.

The Purana basins – which include the subject of the study, the Vindhyan basin – are located south of New Delhi in the northern and central regions of India. They are slight, mostly flat depressions in the Earth's crust that span thousands of square miles. For decades, Meert said, most geologists have believed the basins formed 500 million to 700 million years ago when the Earth's crust stretched, thinned and then subsided.

Meert said that date may have originated in early radiometric dating of sediment from the basin. Radiometric dating involves estimating age based on the decay or radioactive elements. Additionally, he said, apparent fossils retrieved from the basin seemed to have originated between 500 million and 700 million years ago.

The researchers were working on an unrelated project and had no intention of re-examining the basins' age. But then a UF graduate student, Laura Gregory, dated a kimberlite retrieved from the Vindhyan basin to about 1,073 million years ago. A kimberlite is a volcanic rock that contains diamonds.

Gregory also used paleomagnetism, a technique that estimates where rocks were formed by using the orientation of their magnetic minerals. Curious about whether the kimberlite results would apply more generally to the region, fellow UF graduate student Shawn Malone compared the kimberlite's orientation to other rocks from the Vindhyan basin. To his surprise, he found the orientations were virtually identical.

As a result, the geologists expanded the investigation, using a modified chain saw to drill wine-cork-sized cores out of dozens of rocks collected from 56 sites. Their contents all also had the same or very similar magnetic orientation, Meert said.

Much of the basins are composed of sediments that cannot be dated using any method. But Meert said the sediment also contains zircon, which can be dated using laser mass spectrometry – vaporizing tiny bits of the rocks with a laser, then analyzing their uranium and "daughter" lead contents to tease out their formation date based on rates of decay.

All the zircon the researchers tested originated 1,020 million years ago, Meert said.

The Snowball Earth theory posits that the Earth was covered in snow and ice from about 635 million to 700 million years ago. While much geological evidence has been found to support that theory worldwide, the Vindhyan and other Purana basins lacked numerous telltale signs, such as striated or scratched boulders formed when ice drags small pebbles over bedrock and boulder beds derived from glaciers known as tillites, Meert said. As a result, he said, the basins represented a prominent obstacle to the theory.

The new study removes that obstacle because it pushes back the origins of the basins to well before Snowball Earth would have occurred.

A 2007 study, conducted independently of the UF study and published in the Journal of Geology, dated rocks from another Purana basin to 1,020 million years ago, another 500-million-year revision. One of its authors was M.E. "Pat" Bickford, a professor emeritus at Syracuse University's department of earth sciences. Bickford said the revisions of the age of the Purana basins calls into question the hypothesis that they formed when the supercontinent Rodinia broke up. Rodinia is thought to have separated into the modern continents about 700 million years ago, but the revisions make the basins too old for that split, Bickford said.

The UF research could also support a Swedish paleontologist's controversial dating of multicellular creatures called Ediacarans from an older part of the basin to 1.6 billion years. But, said Meert, "Of all the implications of this research, the notion that Ediacaran-like organisms may be much older than 580 million years is probably the most speculative."


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KEYWORDS: catastrophism; glaciation; godsgravesglyphs; joekirschvink; kirschvink; snowballearth; truepolarwander
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1 posted on 07/03/2008 11:08:44 AM PDT by decimon
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To: blam; SunkenCiv

Snowball ping


2 posted on 07/03/2008 11:09:54 AM PDT by decimon
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To: decimon

Are these the same area/formations as the Decca basalts?


3 posted on 07/03/2008 11:11:22 AM PDT by doodad
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To: doodad
Are these the same area/formations as the Decca basalts?

From a quick web search, I'd say no.

4 posted on 07/03/2008 11:19:37 AM PDT by decimon
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To: decimon
Frozen Earth theory was a part of Nazi occult cosmology.

Welteislehre

5 posted on 07/03/2008 11:21:33 AM PDT by fso301
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To: decimon

I wonder what the silly misguided fundies who believe the Earth is only 6,500 or so years old will think of this?


6 posted on 07/03/2008 11:22:51 AM PDT by Emperor Palpatine ("There is no civility, only politics.")
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To: doodad

These basins are more in Central India and are Precambrian. The Deccan Traps are in the southern part of India and are Cretaceous.


7 posted on 07/03/2008 11:32:28 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: Emperor Palpatine
They are all confused by the "time dilation factor". That can easily occur in those who fail to recognize the internal "three dimensional nature" of time itself.

This is why waiting around makes time pass slower, while doing something fun makes it pass faster.

8 posted on 07/03/2008 11:32:51 AM PDT by muawiyah (We need a "Gastank For America" to win back Congress)
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To: muawiyah

That’s how I understand the Theory of Relativity with regards to time. Time always go slower when the relatives are visiting.


9 posted on 07/03/2008 11:35:22 AM PDT by 21twelve (Don't wish for peace. Pray for Victory.)
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To: decimon

Another kick to Al Gore’s nuts.


10 posted on 07/03/2008 11:59:32 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: Emperor Palpatine

Which years?


11 posted on 07/03/2008 12:33:27 PM PDT by naturalized
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To: pabianice
Another kick to Al Gore’s nuts.

His snowballs?

12 posted on 07/03/2008 12:49:29 PM PDT by decimon
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To: Emperor Palpatine
I wonder what the silly misguided fundies who believe the Earth is only 6,500 or so years old will think of this?

This may be a little complex but give it a try:

Age of the Universe

13 posted on 07/03/2008 2:02:22 PM PDT by Mogollon ($5/gal Gas....Kick the Jacka$$es Out!)
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To: decimon
might even lend some weight to a controversial claim that complex life originated hundreds of million years earlier

Well if everything was covered in snow and ice, I wouldn't have come out either.

14 posted on 07/03/2008 2:27:58 PM PDT by SouthTexas (Invert the 5-4 and you have no rights.)
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Thanks decimon.
 
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15 posted on 07/04/2008 9:44:07 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_________________________Profile updated Friday, May 30, 2008)
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16 posted on 07/04/2008 9:44:40 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_________________________Profile updated Friday, May 30, 2008)
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To: decimon
And after that it got extremely warm due to the SUVs and saucers that were giving out greenhouse gases. (Joke)

But it had to get warm and stay that way until the ice ages started, as the latest reports I have read in Science is that the oldest ice that can be found is approximately 800,000 years old, that was when the ice ages started according to the Science folks and every 100,000 years a new Ice age arrives so it is about time. But then today the so called experts say that warming is taking place because of humans so must have been a master civilization before that!!!!

17 posted on 07/04/2008 9:59:31 AM PDT by YOUGOTIT (The Greatest Threat to our Security is the Royal 100 Club)
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To: SouthTexas; decimon; blam; SunkenCiv; All

“Complex life originated hundreds of million year earlier?”

Although the earth may have been covered with snow and ice, there would have been areas around volcanoes, hot springs, “mid-Atlantic rifts”, and the like which would have been hospitible to life and potential incubators for more complex forms. Refer to the fascinating life forms that are being found around vents (smokers) near the mid-Atlantic rift. Also I wonder if by “complex life” you are referring to bacteria as opposed to viruses, or to critters like those found in the Burgess Shales as opposed to bacteria and protozoans.

Life first occurred on earth about 3.5 billion years ago (ya). The complex forms in the Burgess Shales in the early Cambrian would suggest a very long period of evolution, although some scientists refer to the Cambrian Explosion, personally I think that it must have been a much longer period of development. Here is an interesting link suggesting that life began about 3.85 billion ya and that by 2.5 billion ya there were simple amoeba like forms:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/library/03/3/text_pop/l_033_28.html

Here a Burgess Shale link: http://paleobiology.si.edu/burgess/

Some time ago I read about 3 major precambrian impact events. This site lists major North American impact craters including the giant Sudbury, which was originally 250 K in diameter and occurred about 1.8 billion ya:
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/02files/Earth_Images_09.html


18 posted on 07/04/2008 12:11:35 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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Some time ago I read about 3 major precambrian impact events. This site lists major North American impact craters including the giant Sudbury, which was originally 250 K in diameter and occurred about 1.8 billion ya...
Thanks g!
19 posted on 07/04/2008 10:34:11 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_________________________Profile updated Friday, May 30, 2008)
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To: SunkenCiv

great link, thanks, went to the Main Menu and found this one on Mars:

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Mars2/Open_Pit01_sm.png

Reminds me of the Silverpit Impact Crater in the North Sea, discovered in 2002 by oil geologists:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/38168000/jpg/_38168726_crater150.jpg

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/2164058.stm

But back to the article...”Much of the basins are composed of sediments that cannot be dated using any method. But Meert said the sediment also contains zircon, which can be dated using laser mass spectrometry – ...”

Question: And dating the zircon proves what?


20 posted on 07/05/2008 4:15:16 AM PDT by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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