Posted on 10/02/2017 4:02:52 PM PDT by Hebrews 11:6
My assumptions:
(1) The shooter's location should have been immediately apparent to LEOs.
(2) The volume of shooting and the mass casualties should have given LEOs an extreme sense of both importance and urgency.
A 72-minute response-time does not correlate with either (1) or (2).
In my absence of information, it smacks of LEO commanders carefully planning a tactical approach, getting all the details right before proceeding, when in hindsight what was needed was a quick rush of the door--in seven minutes, not seventy-two. What am I missing?
NBC says it was 72 minutes before police broke thru the suspect’s door. 10:08pm to 11:20pm.
https://www.nbcnews.com/card/it-took-police-72-minutes-first-911-call-breach-paddock-n806836
Why is “LEO” used so often these days? I call them “cops.”
Agreed. Over one hour of sustained fire from the same location has to be explained.
My point is, if he’s still firing on the crowd, you blow the door down and machine-gun him. You don’t protect people who are not in imminent danger at the expense of others who are. And stop patronizing—I’m asking for answers, not assigning blame.
Thanks. There is no report the active shooting went on more than 10 minutes.
Have you seen otherwise?
How long does it take you to run to your refrigerator and grab a beer from your armchair Mr. Quarterback?
There is a time for caution and also a time to “protect and serve.” I’m wondering which this was. I expect we’ll hear more in coming days—but if twenty people died unnecessarily because some police sergeant was afraid to act decisively....
Either a kitten or a brain........
I’m asking for data. Do you have any?
Feel better now?
It was a very large suite with adjoining rooms.
According to the news the gunfire set of the smoke alarm in the room, and the cops used that to pinpoint the location. The windows were in two different rooms, but they were speculating it may have been the same suite. They were on a corner, so two different fields of fire.
As for the response time, would you want to be first through the door where a shooter (shooters?) is firing full auto weapons? Once they had the room located my guess is they were waiting for a SWAT team with breeching charges and flash-bang grenades.
The gun fire had stopped after about 10 min.
The killer had already shot a security guard and police officer and the officers responding were not sure if the killer was still in the room or had fled and was trying to escape.
They were on the way up making sure he did not escape and made sure the floors were cleared, there were no hostages and the people in the rooms were cleared before breaching the door to the killers room.
Things would have been much different if the killer was still shooting at people on the ground.
The police did exactly the right thing.
Even back when Columbine happened (1999), the police were hesitant to just charge in.
It’s an unusual location for a mass shooting. Conventional wisdom is that the shooter is near, or in, the crowd. I can only imagine the echo’s from multiple buildings might have caused people to hear shots from multiple directions. People are trying to stay low. Nobody on the scene seems to know where it’s coming from either.
I don’t think there’s enough info to fault the police, at least right now.
For 72 MINUTES??? If dozens of people are dying, isn't there an ex-military policeman who WILL be the first through that door, even in the face of automatic gunfire?
That's what I heard also...though haven't had a chance to keep up on the latest info.
Last night was crazy listening to the LVPD scanner feed, it was like that Twilight Zone episode "The Monsters Are Due on Maple Street"..."shooting at this casino, no it isn't, it's over at this casino...now it's over there...."
...insane.
Having spent years as a chief engineer of a hotel, either a passkey or a master key card for electric locks will open the deadbolt instantly. Simple as that...
This reminds me of the saying “When seconds count; the Police are only MINUTES away”. In this case 72 MINUTES
They are but I fail to understand why the shooter would move from window to window. They say he continually shot
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