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Outcry in Germany over homage to Nazi general [Rommel]
AFP ^ | October 17, 2018 | Staff

Posted on 10/17/2018 10:54:48 AM PDT by C19fan

A senior official at Germany's defence ministry has sparked an uproar with a tweet commemorating the death of Erwin Rommel, a favourite general of Adolf Hitler who was later involved in a plot to kill the Führer. "Erwin Rommel, who was forced to commit suicide by the Nazis, died 74 years ago today," wrote Peter Tauber, a former close ally of Chancellor Angela Merkel, on Twitter.

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TOPICS: History; Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: germany; nazis; rommel
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To: JewishRighter

Hmmmmmm yep lol


61 posted on 10/17/2018 1:40:19 PM PDT by redcatcherb412
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To: Leaning Right

Seriously?

I will have to look for evidence of that. If this is true, that they’d capture enough supplies to make it work.

How crazy is that? The allied supply lines were way longer than the German ones I have to believe.

After Normandy, you’d think they would have done everything possible to make operating out of Normandy hell.

More monday morning quarterbacking, but its still interesting.


62 posted on 10/17/2018 1:40:58 PM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: oldvirginian

Thanks for the interesting post!


63 posted on 10/17/2018 1:41:02 PM PDT by Professional
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To: RinaseaofDs
However, if Patton doesn’t relieve Bastogne on Christmas in 1944, could the war have dragged on another couple of years, or was Hitler losing it too badly by then?

The western allies could have never fired another shot after December of 1944 and the Germans still would have lost. All that would have happened is that the Russians would have taken more of Germany before linking up with the Americans and British.

While we mythologize the Western Front, at the end of the day it was almost a sideshow as far as the war went. Three quarters of the German Army was fighting on the Eastern Front, and that's where the war was decided.

64 posted on 10/17/2018 1:45:58 PM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("The rat always knows when he's in with weasels."--Tom Waits)
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To: ScottinVA
"Gen. Rommel was admired by his peers on both sides of the war. Though he was a dedicated soldier, he detested Naziism."

Concur. In the 1970s and 1980s, I read almost any book or article about Rommel. Though I do not remember where I read it, I do remember that I saw it in several places, that during WWII, the British had a contest to vote "your favorite general." The British govt had to change the winner, because Gen Rommel received the most votes. His treatment of prisoners of war were recognized as being top notch. He was always focused on "the battle." He did not want atrocities to occur and wanted to minimize death and destruction to the civilian population. He did not mind killing piles of the "enemy," but he always sought to have the opposing force surrender.

65 posted on 10/17/2018 1:47:01 PM PDT by fini
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To: Covenantor

Awesome quotes. Rommel battled his superiors, and Patton battled his too. The rain fell on both alike.

In the end, Eisenhower used Patton as chess piece. It was good that Eisenhower saw Patton through the eyes of the Germans.

Patton may not have been happy about it, but I think had he the luxury of 10 to 20 years, he would have appreciated it.

I don’t know if Patton won the Medal of Honor. I will have to look that up.


66 posted on 10/17/2018 1:48:02 PM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep

Thanks for that. I’ll be reading up on it.


67 posted on 10/17/2018 1:49:28 PM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: rjsimmon

I knew Rommel was against the assassination but favored arrest and replacement of Hitler.
I didn’t know about Strolin.
I imagine many people were singing like birds trying to save their families.


68 posted on 10/17/2018 1:51:18 PM PDT by oldvirginian (American by birth, Southern by the Grace of God and Virginian because Jesus loves me)
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To: RinaseaofDs

Good article about the Battle of the Bulge supply situation here.

https://warfarehistorynetwork.com/daily/wwii/the-battle-of-the-bulge-an-allied-logistic-victory/


69 posted on 10/17/2018 1:57:12 PM PDT by Leaning Right (I have already previewed or do not wish to preview this composition.)
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To: RinaseaofDs
After Normandy, you’d think they would have done everything possible to make operating out of Normandy hell.

Oh, they did. The Germans had a strategy of holding on to the ports as long as possible. Lorient, Saint Nazaire, La Rochelle, and Dunkirk in France held out until the German surrender in May 1945. And when ports were taken, like Cherbourg, German demolitions squads were very, very good at making sure they would be unusable for a long time, sinking ships, blowing up piers, booby trapping everything, and so on. One American called Cherbourg "A masterful job, beyond a doubt the most complete, intensive, and best planned demolition in history." It took until November to get the port fully restored, but even then it could barely support the Allied armies.

70 posted on 10/17/2018 2:04:24 PM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("The rat always knows when he's in with weasels."--Tom Waits)
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To: rjsimmon
Unfortunately for Patton, he was not facing Rommel at that point.

'Rommel undoubtedly planned the attack, if defeat Rommel's plan you have defeated Rommel.'

71 posted on 10/17/2018 2:11:07 PM PDT by xone
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To: Leaning Right

I just read the article.

It wasn’t that the Germans discounted logistics. The allies had done an excellent job of destroying Axis logistics.

They were out of materiel, period.


72 posted on 10/17/2018 2:12:15 PM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep

So it really became a race to Berlin ahead of the Russians. Ike and everyone else knew the Russians were going to be trouble?


73 posted on 10/17/2018 2:14:09 PM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: oldvirginian
Yes! Lot's of misinformation on this thread. Rommel was an infantryman whose book was Infantry Attacks or Infantry in the Attack. The title was changed by Hollywood in the Patton movie. It was Guderian who wrote the influential interwar book on the use of Panzers.

Rommel was never a member of the Nazi party, although there is much confusion about that because Goebbels' propaganda machine put out a mostly fictional bio saying he was.

Rommel was for a time an officer in Hitler's personal bodyguard and became one of his favorite generals. That helped him get an early promotion to General and a plum assignment to command one of the Panzer Divisions in the invasion of France, which he could see was the Next Big Thing. Rommel was known for daring infantry tactics and took well to panzer tactics.

The idea to invade France through the Ardennes was Manstein's but Rommel's execution was outstanding.

Rommel's relations with Hitler turned icy during the Battle of Normandy when he and Rundstedt repeatedly requested permission to use active defense tactics, strategic withdrawals and counterattacks. Hitler refused to allow any retreat, forcing them into the war of attrition that ultimately broke their army.

Rommel was not part of the generals' plot. He was, however, friendly with some who were disaffected with Hitler and with some of the conspirators. That was enough for Hitler, who allowed his favorite general to commit suicide and have a hero's funeral, rather than the piano wire hangings he meted out to the conspirators.

Rommel's son became an officer in the Bundeswehr, was pro-Western and an ardent small-d democrat.

74 posted on 10/17/2018 2:20:03 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: Conan the Librarian
On the other end of the spectrum, there is “the Campaign for North Africa”, where you have to track gallons of water, ammo, fuel and many other items. Sheldon on “Big Bang Theory” set it up on the show last season.

I had a copy of that. I had intended to set up a multi-user campaign, but the sheer tedium and the challenge of getting a bunch of people to commit to it pretty much killed that off.

I was more of a 'Squad Leader' and 'Panzerblitz' guy. When SSI released 'Steel Panthers' for the computer, I left boardgaming and never looked back.

75 posted on 10/17/2018 2:29:10 PM PDT by Riley (The Fourth Estate is the Fifth Column.)
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To: xone

Rommel may or may not have planned the attack. There are no records of his operation plan and his replacement was brought in with sufficient time to have altered it. The execution is where Rommel proved his genius.


76 posted on 10/17/2018 2:48:44 PM PDT by rjsimmon (The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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To: Riley

I still have Steel Panthers, but, enjoy the fun of playing Face to face with a friend.

Squad Leader is still around. I have a copy of Panzer Leader and Panzer Blitz sitting at my feet as I type.


77 posted on 10/17/2018 3:09:35 PM PDT by Conan the Librarian (The Best in Life is to crush my enemies, see them driven before me, and the Dewey Decimal System)
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To: Conan the Librarian

Shrapnel Games has Steel Panthers now- both the World War 2 and modern versions and it’s available as a (legit) free download. They get updated (including new scenarios and campaigns) every year and is still very much a going thing.


78 posted on 10/17/2018 3:12:47 PM PDT by Riley (The Fourth Estate is the Fifth Column.)
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To: RinaseaofDs

Berlin was off the table for the Americans. It had already been decided that we were going to stop along the Elbe. And frankly, given that the Russians lost over 80,000 dead taking the city, it’s just as well.


79 posted on 10/17/2018 3:23:26 PM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("The rat always knows when he's in with weasels."--Tom Waits)
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To: C19fan; RinaseaofDs

Rommel’s book was titled “Infantry Attacks.” It was about his actions on the Italian front during WWI.

Available online at: https://archive.org/stream/Attacks_Erwin_Rommel/Attacks_Erwin_Rommel_djvu.txt


80 posted on 10/17/2018 3:29:17 PM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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