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An Engineer Says He’s Found a Way to Overcome Earth’s Gravity
Popular Mechanics ^ | 2024 | Darren Orf

Posted on 04/29/2024 9:25:53 AM PDT by kawhill

Discovering a machine that could somehow produce thrust without releasing propellant would be a game-changer for human space travel. There’s just one problem—such a device would defy the laws of physics.

(Excerpt) Read more at msn.com ...


TOPICS: Astronomy; Science
KEYWORDS: alreadyposted; astronomy; clickbait; fakenews; ftl; gravity; physics; propellant; science; snakeoil; spaceexploration; stringtheory; thedebrief; thrust; warpfactory
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To: kawhill
--- "This kind of thing fascinates me."

From the article: "As with anything that appears to thumb its nose at Newton and Einstein, scientists raised more than a few eyebrows, and two decades of testing eventually boiled down to an inevitable (and somewhat predictable) conclusion in 2021: the EmDrive was bunk."

Bunk. Bunko. Related words.

And embedded is promotion of a YouTube channel run by Tim Ventura. "Tim is a futurist, business executive, startup founder, and media influencer, with a proven track record generating tens of millions of dollars in bottom line revenue and media appearances on TV & radio around the world. His work has been featured in publications like CNN, Wired, Janes Defence Weekly, The Discovery & History Channels, Nippon TV & more." Source: https://www.timventura.com/

Add to bunk and bunko, startup founder and media influencer. Claims. As in:

"Dr. Charles Buhler, a NASA engineer and the co-founder of Exodus Propulsion Technologies, has revealed that his company's propellantless propulsion drive, which appears to defy the known laws of physics, has produced enough thrust to counteract Earth's gravity." Source: https://thedebrief.org/nasa-veterans-propellantless-propulsion-drive-that-physics-says-shouldnt-work-just-produced-enough-thrust-to-defeat-earths-gravity/
So IF TRUE, there would be zero need to "reveal" and seek investors, since this would indeed pay and pay and pay enormous dividends for the owners. Interestingly, the DeBrief and other media all reference back to Ventura, of the "startup founder, and media influencer" world of media appearances.

M A R K E T I N G. Send money. What could possibly go wrong? < s a r c >

Oh, by the way, one can listen and watch his YouTube video interview titled "Natasha Vita-More - Transhumanism & Philosophy." Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gY48C2-62TQ

This last interview would surely been termed "fascinating." And some other adjectives also apply....

41 posted on 04/29/2024 10:10:33 AM PDT by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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To: kawhill
> Discovering a machine that could somehow produce thrust without releasing propellant would be a game-changer for human space travel. <

Meh. I designed and successfully tested such a device two years ago. I just have to scale it up a bit.


42 posted on 04/29/2024 10:13:19 AM PDT by Leaning Right (The steal is real.)
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To: discostu
> Rockets actually kind of suck. But we understand them.

On the ground, you can push against the ground to move (e.g. automobile tires). In the water you can push against the water to move (e.g. speedboat). In the air you can push against the air to move (e.g. airplane).

But in a vacuum (e.g. space), there is nothing to push against. You have to carry everything with you, pusher and pushee.

That's why rockets are useful. It's not just that we understand them -- they work in a vacuum. If you're talking about propulsion that "overcomes Earth's gravity", it has to work in space, otherwise you're just re-inventing the car, boat, or airplane.

43 posted on 04/29/2024 10:14:06 AM PDT by dayglored (Strange Women Lying In Ponds Distributing Swords! Arthur Pendragon in 2024)
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To: kawhill

I feel lighter already.


44 posted on 04/29/2024 10:15:56 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: kawhill

Cats work on the law of physics all the time maybe they can get together


45 posted on 04/29/2024 10:20:24 AM PDT by butlerweave
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To: kawhill

Don’t let the global warming crowd know about this.


46 posted on 04/29/2024 10:23:57 AM PDT by Leep (Leftardism strikes 1 in 5.)
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To: waterhill

Gravity doesn’t hurt. You can’t feel gravity.

The sudden stop at the bottom of a gravity well is another thing.


47 posted on 04/29/2024 10:26:56 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Angelino97

So long my as it lasts for a guaranteed 120 years with no maintenance or intervention at a all, that’s close enough for me and come to think of it, way close enough...
(Add... Seriously WITH a levity emoji...)


48 posted on 04/29/2024 10:27:41 AM PDT by trfree98 (Xiden: Please allow me to introduce myself I'm a man of wealth and taste... )
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To: Red Badger; 6SJ7; AdmSmith; AFPhys; Arkinsaw; allmost; aristotleman; autumnraine; bajabaja; ...
Thanks kawhill.


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49 posted on 04/29/2024 10:29:00 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Putin should skip ahead to where he kills himself in the bunker.)
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To: kawhill
I don't see any video with this piece.

I guess we'll have to drag this out like cold fusion.

50 posted on 04/29/2024 10:29:36 AM PDT by yesthatjallen
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To: blackdog

I don’t think Hillary went to Bryn Mawr.


51 posted on 04/29/2024 10:31:30 AM PDT by Jamestown1630 ("A Republic, if you can keep it.")
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To: kawhill

There’s just one problem—such a device would defy the laws of physics.

Well, today most crilminals (and DAs and Judges,etc.) are defying the laws of the country.


52 posted on 04/29/2024 10:37:10 AM PDT by Scrambler Bob (Running Rampant, and not endorsing nonsense; My pronoun is EXIT.)
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To: dayglored

But in space you get the bonus of Newton’s 3rd law. Maneuvering thrusters are basically fire extinguishers with attitude, by pushing “stuff” out it applies opposite thrust. Also in space you can use gravity to gain speed.

Part of the idea of getting away from rockets is actually what you put out. Most of that rocket ride it’s in AIR. Why not use that.

And no you’re way of getting out of the gravity well doesn’t HAVE to work in space. You can have more than 1 system. functionally we do that already, they’re just different rockets (when we need a rocket in space, which we don’t always). But there’s launch rockets and in space rockets.

The big problem with rockets is they have this terrible math. You need X amount of propellant to get the payload into space. But of course that propellant has weight, and needs something to contain and aim it which adds more weight. So now you need more propellant. Which adds more weight. More propellant. More weight. You just keep repeating that until you finally get to 0 on the math. If you look at all of our classic space rockets the vast majority of the propellant they use is to launch propellant, not payload.

Think of the classic 3 stage Saturn. Basically (and yes I am over simplifying) the 3rd stage is what we needed to launch the capsule, stage 2 is for launching stage 3, and stage 1 is for launching stage 2. And THAT is the basic problem with rockets. They are grossly inefficient brute force engines that waste a lot of energy in fire and weight.

The space crowd has been wanting to get away from rockets for decades. But all the alternatives are expensive and untried and nobody ever wants to fund them. We can barely get funding for tried and crappy. Forget invent a new technology that works on the chalkboard but nobody has built it.


53 posted on 04/29/2024 10:37:34 AM PDT by discostu (like a dog being shown a card trick)
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To: SaveFerris

“I’ve got a bottle of special water that turns ordinary lead into gold!!”

hey, would you like to trade one bottle of your magic water for one of my magic geese that lays golden eggs?


54 posted on 04/29/2024 10:39:41 AM PDT by catnipman (A Vote For The Lesser Of Two Evils Still Counts As A Vote For Evil)
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To: Jamestown1630

https://www.mainlinemedianews.com/2013/07/08/updated-hillary-clinton-addresses-women-leaders-at-bryn-mawr-college/


55 posted on 04/29/2024 10:42:13 AM PDT by blackdog ((Z28.310) Be careful what you say. Your refrigerator may be listening & reporting you.)
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To: dayglored
Maybe it was measurement error, procedural error, neglecting to take into account the entirety of the operational system (you might "win" in one part but you "lose" in another), rounding error, etc.

A claimed force of 1 G is a bit much for some sort of measurement error.

It's such a significant amount of force, that the guy is either a liar or he's on to something.

It's a significant enough claim that I am willing to wait before I make up my mind that he's a fraud or a fool.

56 posted on 04/29/2024 10:43:42 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: kawhill
From a Debrief article:
Throughout his APEC presentation, Buhler highlights his team’s long chain of experiments, with a more detailed focus on the last decade....

For example, from 2016 to the end of 2020, their best devices were producing a little more than one hundred thousandth of a gravity. In the coming years, that would go up exponentially.

“The aim is to approach and exceed unity...”
For the device to increase its thrust to exceed gravity, it will need a lot more snake oil.
57 posted on 04/29/2024 10:43:48 AM PDT by Carl Vehse
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To: Jamestown1630

You’re correct. She just speaks there every year or so to shake down the alumni hags. I have several in my family. They are so Hillary enamored I thought it was on an alumni connection. It’s just checkbooks out kinda thing.


58 posted on 04/29/2024 10:44:55 AM PDT by blackdog ((Z28.310) Be careful what you say. Your refrigerator may be listening & reporting you.)
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To: blackdog

She spoke many places. But she didn’t attend Bryn Mawr.


59 posted on 04/29/2024 10:46:41 AM PDT by Jamestown1630 ("A Republic, if you can keep it.")
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To: kawhill
Gravity Sucks | Poster

60 posted on 04/29/2024 10:46:44 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (A truth that’s told with bad intent, Beats all the lies you can invent ~ Wm. Blake)
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