Posted on 10/29/2005 8:13:55 PM PDT by ncountylee
You and I are not having the same conversation.
Are they really vastly beyond OUR ability to imagine, or YOUR ability to imagine??
This is a personal issue for me, because I have been to Nagasaki, and I have also been trained in the fine art of Nuking Folks (IF you doubt this I can email you a copy of my certification from Nuclear Weapons Training Group Pacific). I have a finely developed ability and understanding to imagine their scale, as I have been trained to use them.
As an American I spit on your premise. Here's why: The brainwashed, servile, bootlickers allowed their military and central government to overstep the bounds of a civilized nation. The people suffered because they allowed the transgressions. Their fault, as they were to blame for the government they had. I do not even care if we saved our troops lives or not. We had the bigger gun and used it. End of story/war.
What's THAT reply all about?
I was once in the chain of command for any orders to use nukes on other people.
Would they protest gasoline powered trucks if they had been napalmed?
BTW, you still end up blaming women and children for the actions taken by Tojo and his minions.
"Virtually all of the folks nuked in Japan are dead. It happened 70 years ago."
No. It was 60 years ago and it allowed my Dad to come home from fighting in the Pacific.
I take this as just another pathetic attempt by liberals in Japan to play the victim card and get some sympathetic press.
N and H were "little" bombs. The modern standard is 1000 times more blooey.
Yeah, his makes sense.
"Almost all of them were women and children."
I assume you can cite some authority for this statement.
Even if it's true, again I say, you have no concept of what is involved in modern war.
Not likely any of the decision makers back in 1941 managed to be at Nagasaki or Hiroshima and get nuked only to survive until today.
My Dad had been LeMay's flying crew chief. My existence relies on a chain of events thinner than the finest hair anywhere in the universe.
I don't blame women and children for their nation's wars.
But not anymore? Good. A chain is only as good as the weakest link. You weren't on the college debate team were you? I didn't think so.
Now, tell me, how is it little children and women were in there manipulating Tojo.
I should also add to the end: is the spent fuel form our nuclear reactors as dangerous to us as well WHEN PROPERLY STORED?
"You miss the whole point.
One of the more obvious things we have all learned about nukes is that their scale is vastly beyond our ability to imagine."
Nonsense. We knew exactly how big a boom it was, from the testing we did prior to the drops at Nagasaki and Hiroshima.
That's why we used them.
Cry more, lib.
You lose.
I wish now that I had a copy of the information related to us by the head of a missions group that has extensive interaction with that region of the World.
He said that he was stunned to learn that the first person martyred for their faith in Japan was a 12 year old Japanese boy who refused to recant from his firm belief in Jesus Christ as his Savior. That was many hundreds of years ago and that martyrdom took place in Nagasaki.
Isa. 59:
17 "For he put on righteousness as a breastplate, and an helmet of salvation upon his head; and he put on the garments of vengeance for clothing, and was clad with zeal as a cloke.
18 According to their deeds, accordingly he will repay, fury to his adversaries, recompence to his enemies; to the islands he will repay recompence.
19 So shall they fear the name of the LORD from the west, and his glory from the rising of the sun."
Just in case you fell asleep during history class, the atomic bombs ENDED the war. Had Truman not made the decision to drop them, WWII would have continued to 1948 or 49 (at least in the Pacific theater anyway) and have cost hundreds of thousands more lives (both Japanese and American). As terrible a decision as it was to do it, history tells us it was the right one to make at the time. The atomic hell unleashed on Japan broke their will to continue the fight. An overwhelming majority of Japanese later understood that ending the war quickly and decisively was ultimately to the benefit of the nation as a whole for generations to come. A terrible price to pay, but worth it in the long run.
I realize that Nukes are much more devastating (although I don't know the science/rationale as to why); I guess my point is that our nuclear power plants used by our naval vessels seem to be pretty safe; why are they preventing us from having one at port, when we're protecting their butts from other potentially-aggressor countries?
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