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More Bad News For Psychotropic Meds
Coach is Right ^ | 5/22/15 | Michael D. Shaw

Posted on 05/22/2015 9:01:00 AM PDT by Oldpuppymax

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To: jwalsh07

It’s more telling if you know them prior to medicine. I dated a girl who was bipolar. She was tolerable in small doses. She was capable of being really sweet but you eventually began to annoy her and she became unbearable.
I hang out with her now and she is medicated. But if she gets off her meds, she can be a demon. It’s like that “capable of being sweet” trigger is gone. The medicine destroys the coping mechanism.


21 posted on 05/22/2015 1:24:46 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If you are not part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: AppyPappy

All of these drugs are as different as the people who are treated with them.

I think what draws criticisms like this article implies is that the medical profession really has little idea as to how these medicines actually work. In fact they admit it in the extended documentation.

In addition to that, with a psychological issue, a placebo can often be temporarily effective.....so the drugs are a easy target for critical papers of this kind.

I have had a brief (18 month) experience with a SRI drug some 20 years ago and found that it was useful for my depression which was similar to a PTSD episode. I found that it worked on my conscious mind in the same way that a child erases a crappy drawing on a one of those etcho sketch toys, by shaking it gently and a fresh canvas is ready for a new drawing.

My experience was similar to that.

I no longer dwelled on my emotional baggage and it was a new canvas I was painting on.

When I stopped the use of the drug (against the doctors recommendations) I found that I could barely recall details during the previous 18 months, like conversations, movies I may have seen...etc..

So....IMO, what this stuff does generally speaking is to change the canvas of your mind, ever so slightly. This helps to relieve you from the picture that was causing you to relive emotional trauma and keep reliving it, over and over..

Is it a chemical imbalance???

Probably not...and I agree with the premise that the imbalance explanation is flawed or utter baloney, but the drugs do in fact help with the complex nature of the human mind and it’s emotionally laden matrix and how it handles what life often gives us to deal with.

Call it a chemically induced perception shift...

I also do not think that using these drugs for the rest of your life is warranted for all patients, and I don’t think doctors are competent to tell the difference so they use the same baseless instructions and explanations of the treatment for everyone.


22 posted on 05/22/2015 2:02:48 PM PDT by Cold Heat (Have you reached your breaking point yet? If not now....then when?)
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To: dinoparty

Forgive me for asking, but how do you know it is not the placebo effect?


23 posted on 05/22/2015 2:35:16 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: 9YearLurker

Same way I know a decongestant opening my nasal passages is not a placebo effect. It is obvious.


24 posted on 05/22/2015 7:54:25 PM PDT by dinoparty
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To: 9YearLurker

After about 10 days my wife noticed I was singing in the shower for the first time in a couple years. She noticed the change before I did.


25 posted on 05/22/2015 7:57:51 PM PDT by dinoparty
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To: Oldpuppymax

Finding the proper anti-depressant paves the road to success.


26 posted on 05/22/2015 8:05:50 PM PDT by onyx (PLEASE SUPPORT FR. Donate Monthly or Join Club 300! God bless you all.)
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To: dinoparty

I’m certainly glad you’re doing better, but do you doubt the placebo effect as a medical phenomenon in general?


27 posted on 05/22/2015 9:23:50 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: dinoparty
The spouse usually is the first to notice that you are on a up swing.

My husband and I were watching some show and I giggled at some rather lame joke. He hugged me and said that was the first time he had heard my laugh in so long.

28 posted on 05/22/2015 9:35:51 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proud Infidel, Gun Nut, Religious Fanatic and Freedom Fiend)
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To: 9YearLurker
You can tell because you are not the one who notices the change.

And many times you are taking the drugs just to please someone else not in any real hope of improvement.

29 posted on 05/22/2015 9:38:07 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proud Infidel, Gun Nut, Religious Fanatic and Freedom Fiend)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

Sorry—I meant to pose this question to you: do you therefore doubt the placebo effect in general? (It has been found to cause physiological changes than can be objectively observed by others—not just subjective observational bias.)


30 posted on 05/22/2015 9:54:04 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: 9YearLurker
No. Not in all cases. The state of mind has a great deal to do with many things and if you tell someone that something will make them normal they tend to believe you in the beginning.

But I do think they tend to overstate the case for it and not look to see what else they might be doing that is causing improvement.

31 posted on 05/23/2015 6:33:41 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proud Infidel, Gun Nut, Religious Fanatic and Freedom Fiend)
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To: maine-iac7

The school wanted to put my youngest son on Ritlan when I complained he was not learning to read. In fact, he had regressed from where he was when I sent him to school. I did not want them drugging him so I homeschooled him for some time and he learned fine.

Rather than phonics, they had taught him to guess read and he was a really bad guesser.

Liberals despise parents like me because I took charge over my own children and did not automatically follow the instructions of the “experts.” I was uppity.


32 posted on 05/24/2015 9:07:00 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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