Posted on 01/20/2016 10:15:17 AM PST by inpajamas
I was told today that Ted Cruz's conservatism was moot because he is not eligible to run for president. I have also been told by others that true conservatives cannot win a general election. If that is true, then there is no winning, for even if you prevail by sacrificing values and principles to enlarge your "tent", you have won nothing.
The truth is, regardless of Cruz's status, Cruz's conservatism is not moot anymore than the Founders ideas were moot. For if values and principles are moot, you can follow the law precisely and you have nothing. The Founders parted company with the law they were under to embrace freedom. If it takes another revolution, so be it. And if we have to start over, I don't care where the values and principles and morals come from if they are good. I will stick with invisible virtues wherever they be found. If they are not embraced by Americans in power, I will support a foreigner who has them. I believe we are that point in history. This view, I was told, was a rejection of the Constitution. My response was not my one, but one of the Founders:
"The question you propose, whether circumstances do not sometimes occur, which make it a duty in officers of high trust, to assume authorities beyond the law, is easy of solution in principle, but sometimes embarrassing in practice. A strict observance of the written laws is doubtless one of the high duties of a good citizen, but it is not the highest. The laws of necessity, of self -preservation, of saving our country when in danger, are of higher obligation. To lose our country by a scrupulous adherence to written law, would be to lose the law itself, with life, liberty, property and all those who are enjoying them with us; thus absurdly sacrificing the end to the means.. . . " - Thomas Jefferson to John B. Colvin, 20 Sept. 1810 Works 11:146
http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/a2_3s8.html"
Cruz argued that only the Electoral College has the authority to judge whether someone is eligible to be president and, on appeal, the U.S. Congress.Regardless of Canadian birth, Ted Cruz survives ballot challenge - November 24, 2015
That's the election commission avoiding the issue on grounds of it's murky whether a naturalized citizen is a NBC. Real bright minds there, eh?
Judges aren't any brighter, or any more intellectually honest. I predict "punt." Nobody wants to be the one that rings the bell(ei).
Ok, thanks, if you remember, please ping me if you find it. I will also dig around a bit too.
Yep.
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Thanks, ignore my last post!
Chomi Prag is the candidate contesting Cruz’s appearance on the New Hampshire ballot.
Meant to include you in post 65
Chomi Prag is the person.
2016 Presidential Candidates - NH
I'm just relying on peripheral memory: Boyajian, Olewine (From Puerto Rico! Open to challenge himself).
I'll search my posting history to see what hits, if anything. Google to the rescue -- no hit on either of those, in my posting history. I'll keep searching. Those names are the more likely ones, I just didn't use them in any of my posts.
Thank you Ray76. Do you happen to have any docket info?
Searching....
I have not been convinced he’s eligible. If it were a policy or position, I could live with it. There are no perfect candidates. I’ve enough doubt that I could not cast my vote for him. He most closely holds positions I agree with, but this one thing is a real deal breaker, for me.
Vermont Ballot Challenge - Page 13 - Fogbow
Oh that`s right, they`re pre-existing high crimes and misdemeanors, but in a related line, since he buying them out then, what`s to prevent him from selling us out now?
What I want to see an example of, is camp Cruz response. One opponent got a default judgement against the Election Office ;-) Nobody showed up to defend the list of electors.
Hey, if NBC isn’t defined there, neither is bribery. No definition, so it’s all good. Whatever Congress says it is, at the moment. Make it up as we go along. Pick winners and losers on the rule of whim. We’re a nation of Whim’n now.
Thanks, using that name to search for the filing in NH State Court.
Cruz response to complaints
http://sos.nh.gov/WorkArea/DownloadAsset.aspx?id=8589951054
NH Ballot Law Commission Decision
http://sos.nh.gov/WorkArea/DownloadAsset.aspx?id=8589951231
Some funny stuff birtherreport.com/2016/01/attorney-and-gop-candidate-files
Mr. Cruz was not a citizen of the US in 1787, the time of the ADOPTION of the US CONSTITUTION. Although there are some photos where he DOES look 229 years old we highly doubt he was a US Citizen at the time the Constitution was ADOPTED.
The folks shouldn`t bitch when some of us follow our ‘whims’ and don`t vote ‘the lesser of two evils’. Not that it matters but I`ll take that as one okie-dokie on third party votes?
“...We either have a constitution or we don’t. Electing Cruz means we don’t...”
Just what do you mean by “Constitutional”? The Founder’s? 0bama’s? Somewhere in between?
Do you mean the one in the history books that *we* have ignored for so long because it didn’t suit us? For just one example where we are ignoring it: Do you support any candidate that pledges to extract taxes from folks and then give that money to businesses in order to buy their votes — is that in the Founders’ Constitution? Why can’t that business sink or swim on it’s own in the marketplace? Do we need to list all the fed agencies/offices and see if we think the founders would approve of each ones existence? Whether they are *needed* or not is beside the point. If unapproved, it’s left to the states or the people to implement if they decide they are needed and then you and I can pick which state we prefer to live in.
Folks need to stop and think about how far we have strayed off the constitutional path and consider that without constitutional conservatism, there is no possibility of getting back on that path. I truly, fully believe that there is no other political philosophy that would even point us in the right direction. Not the GOPe’s, the Dems, the Greens — none other. And I have *no* idea what philosophy Trump is advocating this week. All I can say is that it probably differs from last week by small part or large. Tell me what audience he is in front of and I’ll try to take a guess at what he’s saying.
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