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Cruz, Natural Born Citizen Or Not? - Frankly, I am not sure that I care anymore
01/20/2016 | inpajamas

Posted on 01/20/2016 10:15:17 AM PST by inpajamas

I was told today that Ted Cruz's conservatism was moot because he is not eligible to run for president. I have also been told by others that true conservatives cannot win a general election. If that is true, then there is no winning, for even if you prevail by sacrificing values and principles to enlarge your "tent", you have won nothing.

The truth is, regardless of Cruz's status, Cruz's conservatism is not moot anymore than the Founders ideas were moot. For if values and principles are moot, you can follow the law precisely and you have nothing. The Founders parted company with the law they were under to embrace freedom. If it takes another revolution, so be it. And if we have to start over, I don't care where the values and principles and morals come from if they are good. I will stick with invisible virtues wherever they be found. If they are not embraced by Americans in power, I will support a foreigner who has them. I believe we are that point in history. This view, I was told, was a rejection of the Constitution. My response was not my one, but one of the Founders:

"The question you propose, whether circumstances do not sometimes occur, which make it a duty in officers of high trust, to assume authorities beyond the law, is easy of solution in principle, but sometimes embarrassing in practice. A strict observance of the written laws is doubtless one of the high duties of a good citizen, but it is not the highest. The laws of necessity, of self -preservation, of saving our country when in danger, are of higher obligation. To lose our country by a scrupulous adherence to written law, would be to lose the law itself, with life, liberty, property and all those who are enjoying them with us; thus absurdly sacrificing the end to the means.. . . " - Thomas Jefferson to John B. Colvin, 20 Sept. 1810 Works 11:146

http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/a2_3s8.html"


TOPICS: Government; History; Politics
KEYWORDS: 1stcanadiansenator; anime; citizenship; cruz; masturbation; naturalborncitizen; oneworldgovernment; politics; tds; trump; vanity
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To: zzeeman

Thanks.

The only thing turning up is her FEC filing

http://www.fec.gov/fecviewer/CandidateCommitteeDetail.do?candidateCommitteeId=P60016920&tabIndex=3


81 posted on 01/20/2016 11:56:47 AM PST by Ray76
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To: Ray76
Thanks Ray.

Those are the Ballot Commission materials. I think Prag filed a lawsuit, seeing as how the Ballot Commission lacks the competency to figure out if a person is old enough, or if naturalized citizens are natural born.

82 posted on 01/20/2016 11:58:03 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: nomad

You can’t keep people from bitchin’ That’s just the way it is. 1st amendment, freedom of bitchin’, right there. Plus would, just because.


83 posted on 01/20/2016 11:59:46 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt

I agree.


84 posted on 01/20/2016 12:01:20 PM PST by Ray76
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To: Cboldt

Oh I never worried about that anyways, people gotta do what people gotta do. See ya in November.


85 posted on 01/20/2016 12:03:19 PM PST by nomad
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To: Cboldt

According to that article a complaint was filed with the New Hampshire Secretary of State and the New Hampshire Attorney General, no mention of a court.


86 posted on 01/20/2016 12:04:32 PM PST by Ray76
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To: Ray76
Thanks Ray.

Cruz makes the same nonsense argument there that is demolished by Bellei. His contention is that citizen-at-birth = NBC, because there was no naturalization proceeding. No cite to authority, just a naked claim that ...

every single reliable authority has confirmed that a "natural born Citizen" is a person who was a citizen at birth -- that is, a person who does not need to go through naturalization proceedings to become a citizen.

The rest of the argument is (just guessing, haven't carefully read the whole thing) procedure - jurisdiction, ripeness.

87 posted on 01/20/2016 12:06:12 PM PST by Cboldt
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To: Ray76
-- According to that article a complaint was filed with the New Hampshire Secretary of State and the New Hampshire Attorney General, no mention of a court. --

Getting an adverse ruling through the chain of command is probably a prerequisite to getting a judge's ear.

88 posted on 01/20/2016 12:08:30 PM PST by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt

His position is that since he did not participate in a “proceeding” he is not a naturalized citizen.

Whether a “proceeding” takes place is immaterial and is a decoy, the determining factor is the Congressional grant.


89 posted on 01/20/2016 12:29:39 PM PST by Ray76
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To: Shadow44
How do you claim that Chester Alan Arthur settled this issue?

It must not be birthplace because he was born in Fairfield, VT and that would suffice for Natural Born Citizenship (hereinafter NBC) even if his parents were citizens only of outer space.

Are you claiming something about the citizenship of his parents? Given his citizenship by jus soli, it is irrelevant. Likewise, Rubio was born here which suffices and Ted Cruz's mother was a NBC who happened to give birth to him in Canada, just as Obozo's NBC mama Comrade Stanley Anne gave birth to him in Kenya according to his paternal grandmother who claims to have been present at his hatching. Obozo was thus a NBC by jus sanguinis.

90 posted on 01/20/2016 12:31:20 PM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline: Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society/Rack 'em Danno!)
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To: Ray76

The decoy works. The public is so gullible. The system is rigged against the truth, too. Lots of ugly forces involved. see too zoning, other mundane crap that is driven from places far, far away, with zero accountability. Plantation America. Elections are for chumps. Conducted to fool the people.


91 posted on 01/20/2016 12:33:24 PM PST by Cboldt
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To: mouse1

Who decides what is good? You and I decide. Your conscience should be your master. And God should be the author of your conscience. If we are wrong we will suffer it. If we are right, in time we will be vindicated even if we do not live to see it. Without a spiritual moral authority we are less than men. Even if our conscience defies man’s law, if we surrender we are nothing.


92 posted on 01/20/2016 12:45:32 PM PST by inpajamas (Texas Akbar!!!!!!!)
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To: Cboldt

I am for that. But afterwards. . . .


93 posted on 01/20/2016 12:47:36 PM PST by inpajamas (Texas Akbar!!!!!!!)
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To: jpsb
"We have a Constitution or we don't"

We already don't. Have not you noticed? You have been made to think we still do.

94 posted on 01/20/2016 12:51:17 PM PST by inpajamas (Texas Akbar!!!!!!!)
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To: DannyTN

Did you not read what Jefferson wrote quoted in the post? Or is it that you just do not agree with what Jefferson wrote?


95 posted on 01/20/2016 12:54:29 PM PST by inpajamas (Texas Akbar!!!!!!!)
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To: Ray76

America is in the war for its life. If you don’t see that, belatedly, you will soon.


96 posted on 01/20/2016 12:56:53 PM PST by inpajamas (Texas Akbar!!!!!!!)
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To: inpajamas

There are legal courses of action.


97 posted on 01/20/2016 12:58:55 PM PST by Ray76
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To: Ray76

For the moment.


98 posted on 01/20/2016 12:59:56 PM PST by inpajamas (Texas Akbar!!!!!!!)
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To: inpajamas

So, there are legal courses of action, but they are to be discarded so your political desires may be fulfilled? Is that it?


99 posted on 01/20/2016 1:07:01 PM PST by Ray76
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To: jpsb
No, if your theory (as to requirements for NBC status) held water, it would have been the election of Obozo that established the precedent. Fortunately, for our current purposes, wherever Obozo or Cruz were born, they were born to mothers who were NBCs and passed that status to their respective sons. The theory and the constitution applies to everyone or no one. Electing Cruz (and Obozo before him) simply means that your opinion as to NBC is NOT shared by the public or by a very substantial body of legal scholarship and by the courts which have uniformly refused to agree with you.

Familiarize yourself with Rule 11 of the federal trial courts which provides for substantial monetary punishment of anyone filing what are determined to be :frivolous" legal actions in those courts. After all the endless nonsensical attacks on Obozo's eligibility despite his Comrade Mama's unquestioned citizenship, challenges to Cruz are frivolous and fall within the rule. The only difference was that Obozo never conceded the irrelevant claim that he was born in Kenya and that Cruz makes no pretense to jus solis as being born other than in Canada.

100 posted on 01/20/2016 1:12:31 PM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline: Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society/Rack 'em Danno!)
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