Posted on 02/17/2016 8:40:52 AM PST by redreno
“Every once in a while, we read about lots of “important†people getting their phones hacked and their personal photos are plastered all over.
It can obviously be done, with or without Apple’s assistance.
This is all a smokescreen to protect Hussein’s terrorist BFFs.”
I’m sorry, obviously you don’t have the technical background to discuss this. This article should clue you in a bit:
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-apple-court-encryption-idUSKCN0SE2NF20151021
(As to the “high profile hacks”, those used an entirely different mechanism - the perps got the user’s passwords.)
Don’t know. But to me in this case since the phone does not belong to Apple they can’t refuse. IMHO
Who is the carrier for the phone? Sprint, AT&T? Why wouldn’t they have the records?
Yes.
But that’s not oppressive enough.
GovBeast MUST trample on freedom for everyone else in order to keep us safe from one freaking terrorist —after the fact—.
Get a warrant and open the Islamofascist’s phone. If Cook doesn’t like it then arrest his liberal ass for obstruction of justice.
Just go to the phone carrier.
They’d have the records of what numbers the phone called.
Maybe, they should just ask China. All the hardware is made in commie china, so you have to figure they have backdoors.
“Who is the carrier for the phone? Sprint, AT&T? Why wouldn’t they have the records?”
First of all, I don’t think the carriers routinely keep copies of your phone calls or messages.
Regardless, if iMessage is used on between two iPhones (standard SMS type app), the message is encrypted using keys only available on the devices (there is a public/private key pair). The carrier would only see the encrypted message.
For more details, see:
http://techcrunch.com/2014/02/27/apple-explains-exactly-how-secure-imessage-really-is/
To see any messages that aren’t deleted, you could guess the passcode for the phone. The FBI can do that as easily as Apple, but it could take a LONG time given 8-digit passcodes and increasing enforced delays between incorrect guesses.
I don’t understand why they need to get into the phone? The service provider has every call/text/website visited. What the heck?
This is a phony story. Can’t the NSA just capture everything? Didn’t Snowden tell us that?
The person who owned it is DEAD.
Right. And the FBI should have master keys to every car, every padlock, every front door, back door, side door in every house, and master opener for all garage doors.
It's for safety, after all. We can trust them to NEVER misuse it.
No encryption key for the Feds, just give them the contents of the phone in question when the warrant is properly served.
Thanks for the condescension, have a nice day. Goodbye.
Actually, reading the customer letter on Apple, it appears that the method is: create a version of the OS that defeats the prevention of a brute force passcode hack and upgrade a locked phone to this new OS. I had previously understood that this couldn't happen, as a locked phone couldn't be upgraded, but it seems like that has been worked around.
So, yes, the messages could be recovered IF a version of the OS was created that would disable prevention of a brute force hack AND you had physical possession of the phone AND you ''upgraded'' the phone to this weakened OS.
Seems like the company realized that once this genie was out of the bottle their only choice was to create public pressure to not be compelled into slavery without being duly convicted.
Which might work for the US, but such constitutional protections don't exist for the company in the rest of the world.
At the end of the day, Apple just admitted that any current or previous generation iPhone can be hacked and publicly is asking not to be forced to do it.
Oh, I'm sure the NSA has the ability to get the data. But having the NSA do it would expose capabilities that the government doesn't want exposed, and make those capabilities and techniques subject to discovery motions by terrorist defense lawyers.
NSA obviously can do it will, and CHOOSES not to in this case for their god, which surprisingly satisfies some serious POS posters here.
So you support jailing a baker who refuses to make a cake for gays shacking up?
I don't support slavery, which like compelling a baker, is the same case here. The FBI is attempting to order Apple to create an OS which they can load onto a locked phone which will permit brute force hacking. Apple says they don't want to do it.
Seems to me like anything further is flying in the face of the 13th amendment.
Arrest Tim Cook and leave him in jail until Apple complies.
The creation of Apple's security system is directly related to all the LE requests they received once it became known that Apple could unlock an iPhone - it overwhelmed the company. And the requests didn't just come from the US, but from around the world. Once created, the same method could be used by religious vigilantes (err, police) in Saudi or Iran, by China to convict dissidents, etc, etc.
Apple's response was to create a system which they could not comply with these requests. It appears there was a flaw to this system, which Tim Cook is asking for the public's help in fighting - apparently a locked phone can still have an OS upgrade installed.
So, does Apple have to create a unique version of the OS which can be loaded onto a locked phone which weakens the security enough to permit a brute force hacking? Please be certain that there is no way that such a version of the OS will ever remain solely in Apple's hands - once created, it will get out.
I thought slavery was abolished long ago.
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