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Apple Turns Down FBI Demand For Encryption Key Made Under 1789 Law, Defends 4th Amendment
https://photographyisnotacrime.com ^ | 02/17/2016 | Grant Stern

Posted on 02/17/2016 8:40:52 AM PST by redreno

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To: minnesota_bound
Arrest Tim Cook and leave him in jail until Apple complies.

Arrest the baker until he sells wedding cakes to homosexuals. Arrest the photographer until they are willing to photograph homosexuals shacking up. Arrest the publisher until he agrees to publish whatever is demanded of him.

Apparently slavery is alive and well in the US.

41 posted on 02/17/2016 9:50:43 AM PST by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: PapaBear3625

So you think the state actually already knows what is on the phone?

Freegards


42 posted on 02/17/2016 9:52:59 AM PST by Ransomed
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To: redreno

Good for Apple

At least there is push back against a government that wants control over everything


43 posted on 02/17/2016 9:53:44 AM PST by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: kingu
Some people think "Public Safety" is the root password to the Constitution.

I disagree.

44 posted on 02/17/2016 9:55:37 AM PST by NorthMountain ("The time has come", the Walrus said, "to talk of many things")
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To: SkyDancer

But the software as I understand still belongs to Apple because it was only licensed to the dead muzzie and unlike the hardware is not sold. Therefore the software is still theirs. The data related to the individual is the individuals and is what the LEs really want. They are trying to use the case to obtain the property of Apple when what the warrant is likely for is just the data of the individual.

I agree that there should be a middle ground where Apple, if they have the ability, has a technician uses their property to obtain the data for LE - provided LE have properly executed a search warrant for the data.

Apple should not have to hand over their keys indefinitely since that is their property and they have done no wrong.

The data is what should have a warrant placed on it.


45 posted on 02/17/2016 10:06:43 AM PST by reed13k (w)
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To: NorthMountain
Some people think "Public Safety" is the root password to the Constitution. I disagree.

Some people forget just how many people around the world are protected from their corrupt governments by our constitution. Say Apple created this, and then said that they'd ONLY unlock phones which were part of capital crimes cases. How much of the Islamic world would use it to convict people for such things as sending a message of 'praise Jesus!'? Or use it to murder a woman for daring to drive a car? Or China using it to find out who else should have their family billed for the bullet used to execute a political dissident?

46 posted on 02/17/2016 10:09:04 AM PST by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: treetopsandroofs

“Thanks for the condescension, have a nice day. Goodbye.”

Just the facts, ma’am. :-)


47 posted on 02/17/2016 10:09:54 AM PST by PreciousLiberty (Cruz '16!)
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To: redreno

The FBI did NOT ask Apple to decrypt the phone or provide back doors.

The FBI/NSA will do the actual decrypting of this terrorist asset.

What the asked apple for help on is a phone feature that bricks the phone after some fixed number of failed attempts.


48 posted on 02/17/2016 10:10:07 AM PST by BuffaloJack (Slavery will continue to exist and thrive as long a Islam continues to exist.)
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To: kingu

Elsewhere on this topic, I have noted that tyranny is a greater threat than terrorism.


49 posted on 02/17/2016 10:11:04 AM PST by NorthMountain ("The time has come", the Walrus said, "to talk of many things")
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To: reed13k
But to get to that point, it would have to create a security crippled OS; so you're saying that it is just the right thing to create, and Apple should engineer such a version of the OS?

Who's warrants would you accept? Just the United States? Would you deny UK's? Germany's? Iran's?

Apple is saying they don't want to create the crippled version of the OS in the first place, knowing full well that what happened to create the encrypted phones would immediately follow - warrants for just about any and every case where an iPhone is included, from everywhere in the world.

I guess that would create jobs; an entire division of Apple dedicated to hacking iPhones to comply with warrants.

I agree with Apple, they shouldn't have to create the crippled version which would permit high speed brute force hacking of the passcode.

50 posted on 02/17/2016 10:15:00 AM PST by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: BuffaloJack
The FBI did NOT ask Apple to decrypt the phone or provide back doors.

Just create an entirely new version of the OS with all prevention of brute force hacking disabled.

The FBI/NSA will do the actual decrypting of this terrorist asset.

Let's be honest, disabling the security features is Apple decrypting the phone. Someone else typing the numbers in doesn't really change that.

What the asked apple for help on is a phone feature that bricks the phone after some fixed number of failed attempts.

Create an OS which makes it possible for the FBI to hack the phone. And Iraq. And Cuba. And China.

51 posted on 02/17/2016 10:27:11 AM PST by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: Wilhelm Tell

True, and if it was some other gov’t making the request. A gov’t that would kick them out if they didn’t comply. But I still prefer to live here.


52 posted on 02/17/2016 11:00:38 AM PST by Rusty0604 (oh the stories I could tell. but I really don't think scalia's death is suspiciou.)
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To: WENDLE

So a CEO can be thrown in jail for refusing to write a program for the FBI? Why can’t the FBI figure it out themselves?


53 posted on 02/17/2016 11:03:24 AM PST by Rusty0604 (oh the stories I could tell. but I really don't think scalia's death is suspiciou.)
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To: Ransomed
So you think the state actually already knows what is on the phone?

I'm saying that I have confidence that, if the NSA really wanted to find out what was on the phone, they could do it. I'm not saying they already know.

I'm also not sure that the investigators are really eager to find out where the rabbit-hole leads, in case it would prove embarrassing to Obama.

54 posted on 02/17/2016 11:12:49 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (Big government is attractive to those who think that THEY will be in control of it.)
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To: reed13k
I agree that there should be a middle ground where Apple, if they have the ability, has a technician uses their property to obtain the data for LE - provided LE have properly executed a search warrant for the data.

I'm not sure they have the ability at the moment. They're not confident that, if they devise a method for cracking the phone, that the techniques won't shortly thereafter find their way into the possession of multiple governments (and gangs)

55 posted on 02/17/2016 11:15:47 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (Big government is attractive to those who think that THEY will be in control of it.)
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To: kingu
Once created, the same method could be used by religious vigilantes (err, police) in Saudi or Iran, by China to convict dissidents, etc, etc.

Or by our own regime to imprison the political opposition.

56 posted on 02/17/2016 11:16:44 AM PST by JimRed (Is it 1776 yet? TERM LIMITS, now and forever! Build the Wall, NOW!)
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To: JimRed

Really. Nevermind Iran or China, worry about Washington DC first.


57 posted on 02/17/2016 11:17:37 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: PapaBear3625

It seems to me if they actually have the tech already, the smart law enforcement/national security thing to do would be to not bring it up at all, and just let everyone think it is unbreakable encryption when it really isn’t.

Freegards


58 posted on 02/17/2016 11:18:07 AM PST by Ransomed
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To: redreno

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59 posted on 02/17/2016 11:20:13 AM PST by deks
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To: Ransomed
It seems to me if they actually have the tech already, the smart law enforcement/national security thing to do would be to not bring it up at all, and just let everyone think it is unbreakable encryption when it really isn’t.

For national security, yes.

For law enforcement, it means that the contents of the phone cannot be used as evidence, without compromising the secret.

60 posted on 02/17/2016 11:23:35 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (Big government is attractive to those who think that THEY will be in control of it.)
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