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Hydrogen cost could equal 50-cent gasoline, with renewable energy: study
Green Car Reports ^ | August 19, 2016 | Stephen Edelstein

Posted on 08/21/2016 11:27:39 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Hydrogen fuel-cell cars face an uphill battle toward mass adoption.

Both cars and fueling infrastructure need to be made widely available before large numbers of consumers can seriously consider switching from gasoline to hydrogen.

But under certain circumstances, hydrogen could prove very attractive to consumers for one simple reason.

When produced using renewable energy, hydrogen could cost nearly the equivalent of 50-cent-per-gallon gasoline, according to a study by the National Renewable Energy Laboratory (NREL).

That will only happen if "the stars align" and several factors work in hydrogen's favor, notes industry trade journal WardsAuto noted in a June report on the findings.

The NREL plan assumes large-scale production of hydrogen through electrolysis, but with renewable energy used to provide the majority of electricity in place of fuels that produce high levels of carbon emissions.

Thanks to anticipated emissions standards for power plants and other factors, the NREL anticipates much greater use of renewable energy in the coming decades. Renewable sources could generate as much as 80 percent of U.S. electricity by 2050 using currently-available technology, according to NREL data....

(Excerpt) Read more at greencarreports.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Travel
KEYWORDS: automobiles; automotive; energy; hindenburg; hydrogen; transportation
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1 posted on 08/21/2016 11:27:39 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
What could possible go wrong?


2 posted on 08/21/2016 11:29:46 AM PDT by Gamecock (There is always one more idiot than you counted on.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Thanks to anticipated emissions standards for power plants and other factors,

Which is English means, "Hydrogen will only be economical if we get the government to outlaw or tax alternatives."

3 posted on 08/21/2016 11:31:38 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (This space available)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Early Hydrogen based travel


4 posted on 08/21/2016 11:32:56 AM PDT by Donglalinger
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

My teenage grandson commented “Just because it’s possible technologically at some point doesn’t mean that it’s a good idea”.


5 posted on 08/21/2016 11:33:08 AM PDT by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: Gamecock

Are you suggesting helium as an alternative to a hydrogen future? BTW, the NY Times was touting hydrogen produced by electrolysis fueled by nuclear power, when it looked like we were running out of petroleum, fifty years ago.


6 posted on 08/21/2016 11:34:03 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (This space available)
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To: Donglalinger

Powerful and energetic!


7 posted on 08/21/2016 11:35:21 AM PDT by Vision Thing (You know the depths of my heart, and You love me the same...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Lies.

Park your Hydrogen car for a month at the airport. You are running an air conditioner freezer 24/7 for a month.

Betcha that costs more than 50 cents a gallon, more than gasoline and diesel too.

Lol. Just a hunch.


8 posted on 08/21/2016 11:35:24 AM PDT by TheNext (Hillary Hurts Children & Women)
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To: TheNext

We don’t know what the future will look like. I am an all of the above person when it comes to energy and may the best technology win (and it will).


9 posted on 08/21/2016 11:36:23 AM PDT by volunbeer (Clinton Cash = Proof of Corruption)
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To: Grams A

Precocious wisdom, lacking in many adults I know. But these adults are in the Tech industry, and their attitude keeps them running furiously in the hamster ball.


10 posted on 08/21/2016 11:37:32 AM PDT by rightwingcrazy ("We will not tolerate those who are intolerant to the intolerant.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Ridiculous. The energy equivalent hydrogen to 20 gallons of gas would have to be towed behind the car in a tank.


11 posted on 08/21/2016 11:39:25 AM PDT by Gen.Blather (`)
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The NREL plan assumes large-scale production of hydrogen through electrolysis, but with renewable energy used to provide the majority of electricity in place of fuels that produce high levels of carbon emissions.

Wishful thinking. First of all, electrolysis doesn't happen easily. The components and support apparatus, including the catalysts, are obtained from using standard manufacturing processes using oil and coal. The electrolytes are similarly created, and you can't just use regular bathwater. Unless they plan to use green energy in the total manufacturing process, this will still produce high levels of carbon emissions, not that it is a bad thing. Of course "they" say it is, but they're running a con game. The 50 cents price is achieved by using fossil fuels and government subsidy (and lies).

12 posted on 08/21/2016 11:42:29 AM PDT by roadcat
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Does that include the $4.00 green subsidy?


13 posted on 08/21/2016 11:45:17 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (The reason for Gun Control has always been Government's Fear of Rebellion.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
When produced using renewable energy...

There's the flaw right there. It takes energy to produce hydrogen gas by electrolysis. Now, if you could somehow train magical unicorns to do it, you're all set. Otherwise...

14 posted on 08/21/2016 11:47:37 AM PDT by Leaning Right (Why am I holding this lantern? I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Oct 10, 2012 GM closes NY fuel cell facility, consolidates hydrogen research in MI.So much for "synergies."
15 posted on 08/21/2016 11:47:44 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The average guy can handle gasoline without killing himself.

The same cannot be said of hydrogen.


16 posted on 08/21/2016 11:48:24 AM PDT by TruthInThoughtWordAndDeed (Yahuah Yahusha)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Gas...50 cents....

Fed Tax....$2.50.... State Tax...$1.00

17 posted on 08/21/2016 11:48:29 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

No. I’m not suggesting anything.


18 posted on 08/21/2016 11:49:10 AM PDT by Gamecock (There is always one more idiot than you counted on.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The prototype fuel cell vehicles I’ve read about create hydrogen from natural gas. Why not just use the natural gas for fuel rather than adding another level of cost and complexity? Makes no sense to me.


19 posted on 08/21/2016 11:50:20 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Water vapor is much, much more of a greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide. The left will vilify hydrogen if it looks viable.


20 posted on 08/21/2016 11:53:39 AM PDT by MtnClimber (For photos of Colorado scenery and wildlife, click on my screen name for my FR home page.)
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