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Deportations are a Bitter Pill
8/30/2016 | S. Hughes

Posted on 08/30/2016 3:44:46 PM PDT by FightThoughtControl

Note: Asterisks ** are used for emphasis since bold and italics don't seem to be available.

Deportations are a Bitter Pill

I. Introduction

Most of us empathize with illegal immigrants and understand why they would come. We think of illegals we’ve met or known personally – they’ve seemed like decent people and cost us little in the grand scheme of things. On most days, the sky isn’t falling.

Counter-intuitively, these sentiments make the issue of immigration so existential, dangerous, and urgent. Like the free rider problem, the cost of an individual is trivial but in aggregate can cripple. Immigration’s impact is creeping, and its hidden scale is staggering once revealed. Our compassion and our commitment to compromise are exploited to silence debate, circumvent our democracy, and impose another’s will on our society.

Deportations are a bitter but necessary medicine for America. Our next President must act or else the disease will be irreversible. We must be firm in our resolve, keeping in mind that making someone go home is generally not the inhumane act like it’s cast - especially if we help that person fix his home. Could any exceptions be made? Perhaps.

Unequivocally, some immigration is positive. However, as the forthcoming arguments will make clear, immigration (of all types) should be slower and more measured, giving time for the melting pot to work its magic. We must enforce existing laws. Immigration policy should serve the interests of all Americans, as a whole, rather than special groups. It should skew towards net contributors to our society rather than net takers. Reasonable people **should** debate the magnitudes and overall importance of mass migration’s various and uncertain costs. Reasonable people would not shut down debate with personal attacks and cries of racism.

II. Arguments

A. National Cohesion

A moderate amount of patriotic assimilation is beneficial to society. At the same time, appreciation and sharing of one’s unique heritage is healthy, too. Everyone should not be exactly the same. Varying perspectives bring strength. However, to go overboard is either naive or sinister. A strong well-functioning team fosters shared principles and team cohesion. Our country is our team. Only by identifying with our fellow countrymen, seeing them as allies rather than enemies, being inclined to emphasize commonalities and mitigate differences, can we as a people compromise and govern ourselves in a somewhat civil manner.

In the US right now, some people are emphasizing ethnic identity over national identity to gain special power and privilege. This would not have been possible had our immigration since the 1960s been more ideologically diverse and at a slower rate that would have favored assimilation over self-segregation (to be elaborated in section II.C). Since the 60s, have you ever seen ethnic tensions in the US as bad as they have become under Obama?

A quick review of history gives copious lessons about the peril faced by countries with large belligerent subgroups: Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, the Ottomans and the Armenians, Yugoslavia, Lebanon, most countries in Africa, Texas (when it seceded from Mexico), etc. Or even just large subgroups which emphasize their subgroup identity over the national identity: Quebec, Scotland, etc. At the least, this dynamic leads to social discord, tension, and partisanship. At the worst, bloody civil war and genocide. Is this where we want to go?

By the way, “Things We Won’t Say About Race That Are True” is a relevant and excellent documentary by the former chairman of Britain’s Racial Equality Commission, Trevor Phillips. It is available for free on YouTube.

B. Limited Government & Our Right to Self-Determination

Our Constitution is an exceptional, unprecedented document. Its framers, regardless of their imperfections, were great thinkers of their day and created a form of government whose central theme recognized that governments tend to grow corrupt. They codified so many mechanisms to limit the size and power of government to just the essentials and only those powers explicitly granted to the government by the people. This central theme is just as important today as it was then.

Consequently, Americans have the right to preserve their limited government unless three-fourths of the States justly ratify a change. Nevertheless, the proper dividing line between too little and too much government is not clear cut. Even the most intelligent and well-intentioned among us are but finite beings, having limited capacity and resources. Life’s most challenging problems confront us with uncertainty and imperfect information, from which we can arrive at different but reasonable conclusions. Our Constitution is rightly structured to default to less government given uncertainty, but it still provides for consensus change through open civil debate, persuasion, and compromise.

However, it is not democracy to overcome disagreement through the importation of votes and judicial legislation. It is tyranny. Some Americans have been importing votes (evidence given in sections II.C and II.D), thereby exacerbating partisanship and causing many Americans to fear expressing political views. Continued mass migration threatens Americans’ right to self-determination.

C. Official Government Statistics

The following statistics come from the Department of Homeland Security’s 2013 Annual Yearbook of Immigration Statistics (2013 was the newest report available as of early 2016). I’ll quote statistics that count ONLY legal immigrants granted “legal permanent residence,” aka green cards, because green cards **officially** demonstrate and **conservatively** estimate a pattern of behavior within our government. Green cards represent a **minimum estimate** for **all** immigration because they exclude additional types of immigration such as illegal immigrants, temporary workers, etc. I welcome all legal immigrants who consider themselves my fellow Americans – especially if they pay more in taxes than receive in government benefits and services.

For the nearly two hundred years **prior to 1960**, immigration to the US was much different than it is today. Legal immigrants from Europe, Canada, and Oceania (ie, mostly Caucasian-majority countries) received 92% of green cards. Even with relatively similar cultures and vast elbow-room, even Caucasians discriminated against one another. Gradually the melting pot worked its magic, and most of those perceived ethnic boundaries melted away. There was also no giant welfare state. Immigrants had to hustle, overcome disadvantage, contribute, or perish. In contrast, our government is highly redistributive today. Even when we pay taxes on a modest income, we might still represent a net fiscal deficit if we receive more in benefits than we pay in taxes.

In the 1960s, US immigration policy began to change drastically. **Subsequent to 1970**, the difference is striking. Legal immigrants from Europe, Canada, and Oceania (ECO) received a paltry 17% of green cards, Latin America (LA) received a whopping 44% of green cards, and Asia and Africa (AA) split the remaining 39%. Based on global population at the turn of the century, if all regions had roughly the same average education and wealth, then a meritocratic policy would have given green cards to the ECO, LA, and AA regions at about 18%, 9%, and 74% respectively. In that case, Europeans received about the right amount of green cards, but Asians were really cheated. However, since education and wealth are not distributed evenly among regions, Europeans and **especially** Asians were really cheated; our policy has not been a meritocracy. Furthermore, given history’s copious lessons on countries with large competing subgroups, the Caucasian-majority people of America seem even less likely to have knowingly voted to build large underprivileged subgroups. A recipe for disaster.

Corroborating a lack of meritocracy for the decade through 2013, legal immigrants who had “Extraordinary or Exceptional Ability,” or were “Outstanding Professors, Researchers, Multinational Executives, or Professionals with Advanced Degrees” received only 8% of green cards. That 8% also includes their spouses and children. In contrast, legal immigrants with “Family-Sponsored Preferences” or who were “Spouses, Children, or Parents of US Citizens” moved to the front of the line and received 65% of green cards. Although our immigration policy should give some precedence to legitimate family reunification for Americans, reading between the lines suggests that it is highly abused.

Recall that the above trends in green cards estimate just the **minimum** impact of immigration policy on American society. Since 1980 that minimum impact has averaged 3.2% of the total US population per decade. Once we account for illegal immigration, temporary visitors, and high birth rates, the **total** impact is easily double 3.2% and accelerating. Since these other factors skew even more strongly against Europeans, so does the total impact. The prevailing general trend is a policy to flood our country with predominantly poor, third-world, unskilled immigrants, who because of their economic status or cultural background are highly likely to support big government. Especially at a time of soaring deficits and debt, does this sound like a democratic and meritocratic policy beneficial to Americans as a whole?

D. Probable Shenanigans in the Official Statistics

Mark Twain – “There are lies, damned lies, and statistics.”

As extreme as the official statistics through 2013 appear (likely worse since then), reality is probably even more extreme. The DHS report contains plenty of fine print and unusual behavior that make a critical reader suspicious. As one example, in 2007 there were 12 million “temporary” visitors (distinct from and in addition to green cards) from Latin America. Under Obama, the annual increase of temporary visitors from Latin America more than doubled the rate of the preceding 4 years. By 2013, total Latin American visitors reached 26 million. That’s a fourteen million increase over just six years! Furthermore, the fine-print DHS footnotes state that temporary visitors "exclude the majority of short term admissions from Mexico.” How temporary is “temporary”? How short term is “short-term”? Do these visitors and short-term admissions always go home when they should? While in the US, do they ever have any children, who automatically become US citizens? Do they take precedence for green cards because their children are US citizens?

Under Obama through 2013 (likely much worse since then), the annual rate at which illegals left the country plummeted by about half - about 600,000 illegals annually. However, you would not recognize this massive drop unless you account for Obama’s deceitful reinterpretation of what constitutes a deportation. Here’s the rub. The DHS report never actually gives statistics for the term “Deportations”. Rather, it gives statistics on “Removals” and “Returns.” In the report’s footnotes, the report defines a Removal as “the compulsory and confirmed movement of an inadmissible or deportable alien out of the United States based on an order of removal.” When Obama or Pew Research tout how Obama has been the “deporter-in-chief”, they are quoting ONLY Removals from this report. They conveniently do not mention Returns, which the report defines as “the confirmed movement of an inadmissible or deportable alien out of the United States not based on an order of removal.” Returns clearly encompass self-deportation due to an unwelcoming atmosphere and other effective policies, which are arguably a gentler alternative to forced deportation. Returns plummeted as a direct result of Obama’s open arms. Obama and the media tell us just Removals to imply that he is enforcing immigration law as much, if not more, than his predecessors. However, if they told us both Removals AND Returns, then we would clearly see that Obama is betraying his obligations to the American people. The total rate at which illegal immigrants leave the country is ultimately what matters to the public; the method of reduction is secondary.

Adding insult to injury, Senator Sessions recently revealed that Obama even inflated the number of Removals by counting same-day deportations of Mexicans caught at the border. These same-day deportations are significant and had not previously been counted. In the DHS report, apprehensions of illegals (ie, catching them as distinct from deporting them) also plummeted by about half despite what we’ve all heard about surges of illegal immigrants in recent years. In conjunction with Obama’s other behavior, these shenanigans strongly suggest deliberate scheming to undermine and fundamentally transform our American society.

Digression: If we flood our country with tens of millions of poor, unskilled immigrants (legal and illegal), then should we be surprised if median national income goes down? It truly does seem like income inequality is growing, but perhaps it’s not entirely for the reasons we’re led to believe.

E. Subversion of Our Democracy

In the decades since the 1960s, immigration has been just slow enough to not raise too much alarm but large enough to accumulate an inexorable impact on the ideological makeup of the US electorate. This is a story about the long game, giving the opposition an inch (eg, one more amnesty, one more favorable immigration law), and the opposition taking a mile. This is a story about some leftists knowing they couldn’t pass their agenda with the existing electorate, so instead of trying to persuade, find common ground, and compromise, they’ve resorted to importing tens of millions of ideologically aligned votes. After decades, and acceleration under Obama, these usurpers have built a sufficient mass to subvert our democracy and steal the right of self-determination from existing citizenry. In collusion are business interests lobbying for cheap labor and corrupt politicians who use identity politics to divide us and entrench their own power.

Are you beginning to get glimpses of some surreal Orwellian society? In our America, does it boggle your mind that anyone should actually fear violence and the ruin of their careers for peacefully expressing their defensible political views? Does your jaw drop to watch our media, having shed any semblance of journalistic integrity and fair impartial reporting? Do you tremble to recognize that most Americans are understandably so overwhelmed in their daily lives that we lack the time to “look behind the curtain” of what the media feeds us? Without the capacity to research the whirlwind of issues ourselves, we rely on the media. Although we assume it is somewhat biased, we might not realize just how low it has stooped - to egregious deception and thought control. Let’s not fool ourselves to think that American politics haven’t always been filled with strife and deception. However, could it have gotten this bad without decades of forced ideological change compounded with rampant electoral fraud (see post “A Lack of Evidence for Voter Fraud”)? Our country is being stolen. If we are lulled much longer, then we will lose the power to resist (if not already).

F. Burden of Proof

An immigrant bears the burden of proof to prove his loyalty and worth to his new country. This concept has particular relevance in relation to uproar over a proposed “Muslim Ban.” Firstly, an outright “ban” is an intentional and gross distortion of the actual proposal. The vast majority of people are neither demanding to block [insert name of your British Muslim friend here] from the US, nor to kick [insert name of your American Muslim friend here] to the desert somewhere. Rather, many people feel that it would be wise to severely restrict immigration from Muslim-majority countries, at least for the time being. These are countries where the mainstream ideology often embraces some degree of: subjugation of women and non-Muslims; the butcher of gays, blasphemers, and cartoonists; rejection of the principle that all ideologies and religions are open to criticism and ridicule; anti-American and jihadist sentiment; theocracy. Of course not everyone in those countries share these values, but those who do comprise a significant portion rather than some fringe sect.

Compound this challenge with the fact that many of these countries are sadly war-torn and lack reliable records. It then becomes readily apparent that meaningful vetting of immigrants from these countries on a large scale is unrealistic. So why such rage at making a pragmatic and obvious observation? Even if we could magically screen out all immigrants who would commit violence, that doesn’t even touch those who would have incompatible values, resist assimilation, would tend to be on the government dole, and/or be secretly sympathetic to undermining our society. Furthermore, existing American Muslims suffer when terror attacks cast suspicion on them.

In the decade ending 2013 (per the DHS official report), the US gave green cards to 1.5 million immigrants from Muslim-majority countries and likely hundreds of thousands more since then. This doesn’t even count illegal immigrants and refugees who haven’t applied for green cards. These people are generally not your mainstream western Muslims. Nevertheless, most are probably decent. However, let’s make the very generous estimate that a mere five percent of these immigrants are potential terrorists and another ten percent are secretly sympathetic. In that case, we have just admitted a small army of well over 225 thousand jihadists and their support network. Reducing those estimates to one and two percent respectively does not change the conclusion: this is a sizeable and real threat, atrociously expensive and nearly impossible to monitor, and sacrifices our own civil liberties to support an increasing surveillance state and already over-powerful government. And yes, we should most definitely count women and children – especially children. If your dad, whom you idolized, was killed by an American bomb, even if he deserved it, wouldn’t you likely harbor some hatred?

G. Financial Cost of Mass Migration

No one truly knows the actual total cost of our mass migration. The best we can do are estimates based on other estimates and assumptions. Using conservative assumptions to make the most convincing case, the Heritage Foundation (see footnote 1) estimated the annual net cost (benefits received – taxes paid) (aka fiscal deficit) in 2010 of just illegal immigrant households to be at least $54 billion. If amnesty were granted, they estimated that the annual and lifetime net costs (of just the 2010 illegal population in 2010 dollars) would balloon to at least $160 billion and $6.3 trillion respectively.

***In 2016 the net cost of just illegal immigration must be at least $100 billion annually.*** For $100 billion, we could pay one million teachers a $100,000 annual salary!!! How do I get from $54 billion to $100 billion annually? Let’s start with a simple sanity check - $100 billion is equivalent to $5,000 on average per 20 million illegal immigrants and their US-born children (see footnote 2 for justification of 20 million). A $5,000 fiscal deficit per person is not an unreasonable guess. I can comfortably reach $5,000 per child just with the cost of public education (see footnote 3 for elaboration on the cost of public education). Next, consider the following. One, Obama has had almost six more years to flood our country and further fudge the numbers since the Heritage estimate. Two, the Heritage estimate used low hard-to-dispute assumptions.

Here are six out of many examples of Heritage assumptions that likely and significantly underestimate the true cost. One, Heritage used the official government estimate of the illegal population. As of 2010 (specifically January 1, 2011), the government estimated 11.5 million illegals. This number is merely an estimate, likely biased low, based on the Census results of foreign-born residents, less the authorized foreign-born residents, plus a meager fudge factor. Two, Heritage assumed that illegals paid taxes on 55% of their earnings, the remaining 45% being off-the-books. My guess is that much more than 45% of illegal income is off-the-books. Three, Heritage relied on illegal households to self-report in the Census if they received any direct or means-tested benefits (like food stamps). Four, Heritage excluded the borrowing cost on the debt we are incurring to pay for illegals. Five, Heritage excluded refundable tax credits because illegal immigrants weren’t supposed to be eligible. In contradiction, per two separate audits of the IRS (see footnote 4) in 2011 and 2012, the Treasury Department explicitly confirmed that the federal government paid illegal immigrants nearly $1 billion of refundable tax credits in tax year 2005, growing to $4.2 billion in tax year 2010, and $6.8 billion in tax year 2011. At that growth rate, the annual expenditure easily exceeds $10 billion now. Six, Heritage assumed that illegals followed laws that deny them many kinds of welfare. We all know that what ought to happen and what actually happens are not the same. Some jurisdictions likely ignore the laws outright.

On top of the $100 billion, more costs exist but don’t lend themselves well to quantification. For example, we can roughly allocate to immigrants their dollar shares of social services such as schools, hospitals, law enforcement, courts, prisons, roads, etc. In contrast, how should we quantify the reduction in quality and availability of those already strained social services? Think about this next time you are stuck in traffic. Or when your child must attend an overcrowded school where the pace and quality of instruction is further burdened by non-English speakers. Or when the crime in your neighborhood starts to rise. Also, how should we quantify the downward pressure on wages and low-skill job availability from an oversupply of cheap labor (see footnote 5 for a counterpoint)? Squeezed legal Americans earn lower wages, pay lower taxes, and tend to draw more government assistance. How significant is the transfer of wealth from our economy due to remittances? How much of healthcare inflation is due to illegals who can’t pay?

Furthermore, Heritage confirms that even **legal** immigrant households tend to have lower education levels, use more welfare, and create a larger fiscal deficit than non-immigrant households, indicating that the total cost of all immigration could be many times $100 billion annually. Mass immigration is therefore a non-trivial cost that many non-racists, minorities, and legal immigrants might care about – especially given our soaring deficits and debt. Should the floodgates open further, this cost will explode.

Do not be lulled towards amnesty with promises of fines and/or back taxes because few illegals earn enough to owe much, if any, federal tax. Fewer still would actually pay more than they receive in benefits and services. Many could not afford a fine. Most would just gain eligibility for additional benefits. For illegals having higher income, since much of it is under-the-table, how realistic is tax enforcement? Amnesty would also give family members from abroad green cards. Americans gave amnesty once already in 1986; another amnesty would encourage more of the same.

III. Conclusion

Deportations of illegal immigrants are a bitter but necessary medicine to promote national cohesion, reverse some of the democracy-subverting importation of votes, and save at least $100 billion annually at a time of soaring deficits and debt. Could we still mitigate those same problems without having to deport every illegal? Maybe. But if so, we would have to demand and receive fairly harsh conditions to:

General Goal: Remove the illegal influence on our politics, including but not limited to protecting our electoral integrity.

Specific Example: Nationwide voter ID and proof of citizenship to register are non-negotiable. Promote national cohesion and give time for the melting pot to work its magic. Slow down all immigration.

General Goal: Prove an illegal household’s positive net contribution to our society.

Specific Example: Deport illegal net takers and criminals.

General Goal: Deter future would-be illegal immigrants and affirm current legal immigrants. Breaking the law must never be rewarded or perceived to be rewarded.

Specific Example: Penalize current illegal immigrants more than the cost of legally waiting in line. End birthright citizenship.

General Goal: Strictly enforce immigration laws as written and democratically enacted. This goal is the most slippery.

Specific Example: Not sure. The law obviously already exists. Our Constitution already requires our President to “take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed.” It clearly gives legislative powers only to Congress. Yet, we see how easily Obama has defied both the law and the popular will.

IV. Footnotes

1. Robert Rector and Jason Richwine, “The Fiscal Cost of Unlawful Immigrants and Amnesty to the U.S. Taxpayer,” The Heritage Foundation, May 2013.

2. Estimates of the illegal population vary widely dependent on who’s making them. The media (view with strong skepticism) usually quotes a low-end number of 11.5 million illegals. This number is merely a government estimate AS OF 2010 (technically January 1, 2011), based on the Census results of foreign-born residents, less the authorized foreign-born residents, plus a meager fudge factor. Given that this number excludes the US-born children of illegals (as of 2010 Pew estimates 4.5 million US-born children), given that illegals tend to have high birth rates, and given that Obama has had nearly six more years to fiddle, an estimate of twenty million illegals and their US-born children is probably too low. In addition, you might wonder why illegal immigrants’ US-born children are counted since they are US citizens. Any analysis of the cost of illegal immigration must include their US-born children because these children would not be citizens if not for the illegal action of their parents. These children are also eligible for full welfare benefits; not only does the child directly receive welfare, but their entire illegal household indirectly receives it, too.

3. In my school district, the third of campuses receiving the highest funding, are spending an average (weighted by enrollment) of about $10,000 per pupil per year. In contrast, the same district’s campuses in my own moderately affluent neighborhood are spending a weighted average of about $6,000. I assume that illegal parents pay some property tax primarily via rent payments and also via some home ownership. I doubt that their property taxes per household frequently exceed more than $2,000, not all of which goes to schools. Although some illegal households have no children yet still pay property tax, some households have many children. Thus, a $5,000 net school cost per child seems reasonable even if school districts nationwide on average are less generous than mine. The Heritage study estimated a nationwide average gross public education cost of $12,300 per pupil per year.

4. Per two separate official Treasury Department audits of the IRS, publicly available on the Treasury website (, the federal government paid illegal immigrants nearly $1 billion of refundable tax credits in tax year 2005, growing to $4.2 billion in tax year 2010, and $6.8 billion in tax year 2011. The first audit was published in 2011, and its title was “Individuals Who Are Not Authorized to Work in the United States Were Paid $4.2 Billion in Refundable Credits.” How can the title be any clearer? Yet around the 2014 amnesty debate, the media dazzled us with the charade that amnesty could entitle illegals to refundable tax credits going forward and up to three years in arrears. That charade was only the tip of the iceberg – illegals have already been receiving billions of dollars of refundable credits! Since I am not aware of any further audits on this topic, I assume the annual number must now be greater than $10 billion. The second audit was published in 2012, and its title was “Substantial Changes Are Needed to the Individual Taxpayer Identification Number Program to Detect Fraudulent Applications.”

5. Many economists would argue that depressed wages are offset by reduced consumer prices and that free markets allocate resources most efficiently. While that is true to an extent, reality includes many hidden distortions and frictions which diverge from ivory-tower economic theory. For one, depressed labor costs likely transfer wealth to business owners who can reap larger profits because competition doesn’t perfectly depress revenue by an equivalent amount. Depressed consumer prices likely transfer wealth to the affluent who have the necessary disposable income to fully take advantage of those prices. However, neither likely helps the squeezed legal American who struggles to earn a living wage.

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This is a controversial topic and might get our temperatures up. However, it's a very important issue that we really need to talk about. I'm just trying to start a civil dialogue. Let's share our different perspectives. None of us know every aspect of this issue. Suggestions, opposing points of view, and most certainly other possible solutions are highly welcome. Best,
1 posted on 08/30/2016 3:44:46 PM PDT by FightThoughtControl
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“Let’s share our different perspectives.”

That’s mighty white of you, considering you just registered today.

2 posted on 08/30/2016 3:48:14 PM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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When I was in Japan, they would deport people at the drop of a hat. They deported an acquaintance of mine because he was helping out with a construction job and had a visa as an English teacher. 5 year ban.

America should do the same. When my wife got a green card during the Bush years, you had to prove that you would not go on welfare to get a green card.

3 posted on 08/30/2016 3:50:28 PM PDT by struggle (The)
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//We think of illegals we’ve met or known personally – they’ve seemed like decent people and cost us little in the grand scheme of things.//

NO. All of them I know are criminals and scam the government and steal identities.

The sentence above describes LEGAL immigrants, not illegals.

4 posted on 08/30/2016 3:53:03 PM PDT by reaganaut (I'm looking forward to Trump as President. I'm an Evangelical and I vote.)
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IBTZ troll

5 posted on 08/30/2016 3:54:04 PM PDT by reaganaut (I'm looking forward to Trump as President. I'm an Evangelical and I vote.)
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I want you to explain to me why every single person on earth has a natural right to live in America. Because when you argue for amnesty... that is precisely what you are arguing.
The only qualification is to find a way to smuggle yourself in.

And there is no need for a dialogue about it. Do you have a dialogue with someone who breaks into your house and starts moving in? “Dialogue” is simply a way to advance something other than deportation.

6 posted on 08/30/2016 3:54:34 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs are man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up....)
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To: FightThoughtControl

Being thrown in prison for violating some esoteric EPA regulation is ALSO a bitter pill for the CITIZEN!

7 posted on 08/30/2016 3:55:05 PM PDT by GraceG (Only a fool works hard in an environment where hard work is not appreciated...)
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Let’s get back to the “Melting Pot” and ditch the “Tossed Salad.”

8 posted on 08/30/2016 3:55:25 PM PDT by dfwgator
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Most of us empathize with illegal immigrants and understand why they would come.

Bzzzt-- WRONGO!

While I can certainly understand why they would come, I don't let that temper my desire to have them gone post haste. There's nothing "bitter" about deportation.

9 posted on 08/30/2016 3:55:47 PM PDT by Bob (No, being a US Senator and the Secretary of State are not accomplishments; they're jobs.)
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Having lived in SoCal, Ground Zero for illegal immigration, for the last 50 years, the prospect of Mass Deportation not only does not upset me, it is my great hope because it is the only thing that will save Southern California from its fate of having been transformed into an overcrowded, gang infested colony of the 3rd world.

We tried to address this ourselves in 1994 with Prop 187, having to fight the combined treason lobby of leftwing Democrats and No Borders Bush Republicans. Well now the cancer has grown ever larger and it’s spreading across the country. If you won’t learn from California’s fate and demand deportation you will be next in line. The refusal to deport is defacto amnesty. Don’t say that you haven’t been warned about what is coming your way.

10 posted on 08/30/2016 3:55:51 PM PDT by Pelham (Best.Election.Ever)
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11 posted on 08/30/2016 3:56:26 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs are man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up....)
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Are these your thoughts, or is this off of a website penned by someone other than yourself?

If this is penned by someone other than you, please provide the source URL.

If this is by you, you lost me right in the beginning with this:

We think of illegals we’ve met or known personally – they’ve seemed like decent people and cost us little in the grand scheme of things. On most days, the sky isn’t falling.

Illegal aliens are costing this country an extremely large amount, in the way of schools, and hospital costs at the ER's around the country. That doesn't even include those with fake SSN's that are filing taxes and getting earned income credit. There are many other ways are costs are being affected as well.

Oh BTW, you have to use HTML commands to bold and/or use italics.

12 posted on 08/30/2016 3:57:36 PM PDT by Robert DeLong
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13 posted on 08/30/2016 3:59:53 PM PDT by Dalberg-Acton
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To: Robert DeLong

Should say: There are many other ways our costs are being affected as well.

14 posted on 08/30/2016 4:01:06 PM PDT by Robert DeLong
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"Most of us empathize with illegal immigrants and understand why they would come."

Stopped reading right there.

Not interested.

Get out!

15 posted on 08/30/2016 4:02:21 PM PDT by chris37 (How do you make Republicans turn on their own candidate? Sneak up behind them and say "Boo".)
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Most of us empathize with illegal immigrants and understand why they would come. We think of illegals we’ve met or known personally – they’ve seemed like decent people and cost us little in the grand scheme of things. On most days, the sky isn’t falling.




Most of us empathize with illegal immigrants Burglars and understand why they would come Steal. We think of illegals home invaders we’ve met or known personally – they’ve seemed like decent people and cost us little in the grand scheme of things. On most days, the sky isn’t falling.

There you go little guy.

A far more honest opening then you tried to give.

Anyone who sneaks into this country is a criminal. They break the law every day that they are here.

Deport ever single one of them and their spawn.

16 posted on 08/30/2016 4:02:44 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proud Infidel, Gun Nut, Religious Fanatic and Freedom Fiend)
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To: FightThoughtControl

Bitter? Tastes delicious!

17 posted on 08/30/2016 4:03:18 PM PDT by Rastus (#NeverHillary #AlwaysTrump)
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To: DesertRhino

Deport early and deport often.

18 posted on 08/30/2016 4:04:34 PM PDT by precisionshootist
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To: FightThoughtControl

And BTW why should anyone read your thoughts on this subject when you don't give any information about who you are in your profile.

19 posted on 08/30/2016 4:04:43 PM PDT by Menehune56 ("Let them hate so long as they fear" (Oderint Dum Metuant), Lucius Accius (170 BC - 86 BC))
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To: FightThoughtControl

Don’t want to be deported?

Don’t come here illegally, then.

It’s really that simple.

20 posted on 08/30/2016 4:05:08 PM PDT by Arm_Bears (Rope. Tree. Politician/Journalist. Some assembly required.)
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