Posted on 09/03/2017 8:44:24 AM PDT by Oldpuppymax
Ok, dude. Then what was “YOUR FIRM’S” stance on thimerosol?
Everyone drinking the kool-aid said everyone else was crazy who critiqued the use of mercury, then suddenly they removed it from almost all vaccines.
Don’t dare label me an an anti-vaxxer; there’s a difference between safety and those who choose to not vaccinate at all. Your closing presumes all who critique vaccines and those who promote them are automatically anti-vaxxers; that is patently-false.
There is a synergy of effects contributing to infant health in this country; rather than the histrionics typically thrown in my face, collectively this country needs a controlled study to resolve why we’re birthing unhealthy children. I believe that for a percentage of children the updated vaccine schedule is exacerbating an existing, unacknowledged, condition.
I think I know the cause and write about it extensively. It’s certainly not isolated to simple increased diagnosis of ASDs.
It is intellectually dishonest to dismiss the rising incidence of autism just as a result of your one study which, frankly, your citation has no merit whatsoever (references please, or it’s all hearsay).
No argument there.
You don’t know what you’re referencing. At all.
Yaelle’s referring to gut health, not bacterial infections.
The key area of concern with vaccines from my perspective is the use of adjuvants and their effects, not the vaccine itself.
Yes. Vaccines, if you will, are not made safely. It’s old 1950s science. We know enough now to improve both vaccines themselves and to test children for immune stressors (and soon good general intestinal biome tests) before they receive vaccines.
Right now, doctors jab each child equally, only pausing for the obviously infected or ill child. There are current ways to make sure you’re only vaccinating kids t their highest levels of health.
So many things could be improved, using current science, to reduce the ghastly lifelong risks. They are not done. It’s all about $$.
I’ve said my piece about vaccines and been called names here too many times to mention. I have ACTUAL science on my side. They have the same commercial “consensus” style science the global warming freaks love.
All I say is do not risk vaccinating infants. And after the infants are a year or two old, RESEARCH each vaccine and give it to perfectly healthy children with NO brain dysfunctions or learning issues or questionable sets of behaviors. I’d like less FReeper children to have to have their entire lives made difficult by autism and its relatives, if we can help it.
Agreed. I’m sick and tired of histrionics & ad hominem attacks just because I prefer safety to rationalizing ingestion of toxic substances.
Take GMOs for example: Just because the prescribed 90-day tests do not demonstrate that they’re dangerous does NOT prove safety.
The $$ biases EVERYONE it touches, including “firms” doing their own studies [sic].
All this idiocy is from one scam study that was published in Lancet, then retracted.
Our firm spent 1/4 million trying to find a thimoseal link. We wanted one very badly. Other researchers knew we would have paid handsomely if they could establish a link. We probably spent another $50,000 looking for other studies that might establish the link. We wanted one!
It’s not there.
What do you think is the reason?
Thimoseal is medicine’s Pizzagate.
Partly because the definition of “Autism” keeps getting adjusted to meet a different set of criteria. Years ago there was not the extensive autism spectrum. Some of the increase could be from people being more aware and seeking out care for behavior that was once dismissed as a stage some kids went through.
If there is an environmental connection I would be more inclined to investigate prenatal factors.
I don't discount that hypothesis. Back in the 1960s when I started teaching Math, the priority was to teach Math. In the 1970s, when I got my Masters in MathEd, the focus had shifted to "behavior modification". That became an excuse for every outlier behavior and attempts to have even very young children conform to a narrowly defined norm. The years I worked in a Huntington Learning Center, I experienced first hand how those labeled children often did very well in an environment where there were no labels and the only priority was teaching the concepts needed to master their curriculum.
Lots of children who are very good at a lot of things just want to be left alone and not be like everyone else. I'm sure at least some of them get diagnosed as autism or Asbergers. I wonder if most of those children who've been labeled, treated differently, and drugged would've been just fine with their own personalities.
If you are rationalizing the safety of cytoxic compounds and elements die to the fact that your firm couldn’t find a link, you’re part of the problem.
Have you found a link, or are you going to continue the same Ludite rage that their must be a connection because no one can prove to you there isn’t.
What is the demonstrable, clinically proven link involving thimerosal and autism?
This is not the first time I’ve been attacked on FR, so I presume the best you can do is defend your “firm” with histrionics and slurs.
Alrighty then.
Question: Since I openly-stated my position in the initial comment, i must conclude that your demand for proof means that you have no defense or perhaps dont understand my prior question.
So ill put it in language a 4 year-old can understand:
Without “proof” that your firm isn’t biased in its research, you have admitted that my premise is correct: Lack of proof that a cytoxic compound is not dangerous does not prove it safe. After years of defending it, they must have removed it for economic reasons then, huh? /s
Thank you for reinforcing my point.
Ps...i never wrote that thimerosal causes autism.
Reading comprehension is a skill that takes effort.
First, children in America are living at the highest levels of health they ever have.
Secondly, when one removes socio-ethnic groups where children are considered an inconvenience rather than a blessing, our children’s health, in fact our entire population’s health, is in the top 2% of the world’s countries.
Third, thimerosal was removed from some vaccine sealants for the simple reason that the Ludite lunatic fringe was promoting irrational fear, as they often do. All too often this leads to toxic torts, ridiculous class-action litigation, with no scientific basis, that still costs tens of millions of dollars to defend. A classic example is the recent case against Subway because some of the bread in their foot-long subs did not rise enough, causing 11 inch sandwiches. The lawyers were about to get $525,000 to settle the matter, until a smart judge realized the case had no merit.
Finally, If you think anyone who is simply asking you to backup statements and assumptions with some facts is attacking you, then perhaps it is time for you to use some of the benefits available in our healthcare system for those similarly delusional.
“First, children in America are living at the highest levels of health they ever have.”
When you get all growed up and move out of your mommy’s basement, reality will hit you so hard it will cause your balls to drop.
THEN maybe you can clear the fog in between your ears.
(it backs up, you know)
BTW, what’s your DU handle? You whine just like the bitches over there.
I found your “firm’s” study, dork.
ROFLMAO.
“Third, thimerosal was removed from some vaccine sealants for the simple reason that the Ludite lunatic fringe was promoting irrational fear, as they often do.”
Liar.
If you’re in the industry, you know GD well why it was removed.
“There is public concern about the health effects of mercury exposure of any sort, and the elimination of mercury from vaccines was judged a feasible means of reducing an infant’s total exposure to mercury in a world where other environmental sources of exposure are more difficult or impossible to eliminate (e .g ., certain foods).”
The decision to continue injecting mercury into children and pregnant mothers without adequate study was MORONIC. Supporting the paradigm as it existed prior to the AAP PHS joint statement speaks volumes to bias.
And btw, what the hell are you smokin’?
“First, children in America are living at the highest levels of health they ever have.
Secondly, when one removes socio-ethnic groups where children are considered an inconvenience rather than a blessing, our children’s health, in fact our entire population’s health, is in the top 2% of the world’s countries.”
I suppose you have a brilliant piece of wisdom for why the US ranks below average of OECD industrialized nations for growth in life expectancy, let alone that it’s a lousy rate of return for the Trillion$ spent on healthcare which wouldn’t be needed if the population were healthy to begin with...
Or perhaps you can explain why US life expectancy at birth is SO lousy.
You’re 30-something, right? That would make sense. Anything else and you have GOT to be a lib (you argue like one).
That or you work for the government...
Please, for all our sake, get back on your meds.
For someone who demands references but doesn’t give then - and lies about health claims - you huff & puff just like the hysterical vegetarian libs I run into all the time.
Furthermore, for someone who claims to be in the industry, you sure don’t know a lot about the current state of public health, given your outrageous statements.
Let me school you, since you’ve apparently been locked in a lab for 30 years: US public health has been declining for decades. If it were improving, we would not be expending record sums on so-called “healthcare” and ranked at the bottom of life-expectancy at birth and near the bottom in terms of increasing life expectancy.
There is no single diet, pill, powder or elixir which is panacea; that’s just fantasy. Rationalizing that people ingest MORE foreign substances just because they passed a 90-day test (GMOs, for example) is one thing, but rationalizing a COCKTAIL of foreign substances creates synergistic effects which are unique to most individuals. Chemistry 101: Throw a bunch of chemicals into a beaker and eventually you’re going to get a cytoxic effect. I never wrote that thimerosal had any relationship to autism, but I did write that vaccines have the potential to have egregious effects for the patient due to use of aluminum adjuvants. There are too many variables for synergistic effects to put a finger on any one cause - vaccines among them - but removing thimerosal from most vaccines was the first prudent health move by the US in decades (the same government which still preaches that saturated fat is bad).
If you & others like you in the medical industry would stop trying to find the unicorn and focus on the overall solution, we’d all be healthier for it, NOT dependent upon our doctor (as it is accelerating this decade). For me, health is the PERFECT Conservative matter, as those in government, medicine & industry are working to make us dependent upon medical care, which only empowers both the state and those who provide the medical solutions ($$).
My health was taken away from me; I not only recovered it, but after writing 3 books and expending THOUSANDS of hours of research and self-education I now understand what happened to me.
I’m glad you have your health back.
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.