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Trump preparing ORDER that will end ‘birthright citizenship’ — but can he do it?
The National Sentinel ^ | 10/30/18 | USA Features

Posted on 10/30/2018 5:20:54 AM PDT by SleeperCatcher

Executive Action: POTUS Donald Trump may be setting himself up for a huge constitutional battle if reports that he’s preparing to issue an executive order ending birthright citizenship are accurate.

Axios reported exclusively:

President Trump plans to sign an executive order that would remove the right to citizenship for babies of non-citizens and unauthorized immigrants born on U.S. soil, he said yesterday in an exclusive interview for “Axios on HBO,” a new four-part documentary news series debuting on HBO this Sunday at 6:30 p.m. ET/PT.

The order would be one of the most dramatic moves yet by the president as his immigration reform agenda continues to be thwarted by Democrats in Congress and far too many RINOs, though that could all change in less than two weeks of a legitimate red wave sweeps the midterm elections.

(Excerpt) Read more at thenationalsentinel.com ...


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KEYWORDS: 14thamendment; 4ththread; aliens; citizenship; constitution; executiveorder
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To: SleeperCatcher

61 posted on 10/30/2018 6:20:44 AM PDT by Magnum44 (My comprehensive terrorism plan: Hunt them down and kill them)
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To: DiogenesLamp

I knew I was courting trouble when I mentioned Lincoln.

But I like the guy so held firm to me.

I would have said Ronald Reagan but this order clears up a USC issue and eclipses RR’s administration IMHO.


62 posted on 10/30/2018 6:21:12 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (Always believe women except: clinton rape, ellison assault, booker groping, ted kennedy murder)
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To: trebb

Judge Thomas may be the best thing to come from the administration of George H. W. Bush but I have seen some comments to the effect that Judge Thomas may be thinking of doing some other things rather than remaining on the bench until death. If that is the case I would wish him well and encourage him to retire while President Trump can be certain to pick his replacement.


63 posted on 10/30/2018 6:21:32 AM PDT by RipSawyer
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To: oldasrocks
The 14th should not apply to people in the U.S. illegally.

Indeed. The proof of that lies right in the first sentence...

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, "

If a person is first in violation of the laws within the jurisdiction of the United States, said person is not eligible to be a citizen. They should be detained, charged, tried, convicted and deported.

64 posted on 10/30/2018 6:21:35 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Get in the Spirit! The Spirit of '76!)
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To: Poison Pill

“The Constitution can’t be changed with an EO.”

It does not need to be changed, only interpreted correctly. The phrase “subject to the jurisdiction thereof” has a meaning and the courts have ignored the meaning of that phrase, it was NOT thrown in just to add meaningless verbiage.


65 posted on 10/30/2018 6:25:12 AM PDT by RipSawyer
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To: oldasrocks

Back when this was onesy-twosy stuff this wasn’t considered such a grave matter.

Now that it is staggering the ability of the USA to assimilate, and openly warping the political process by being allowed a swaying hand in a major political party, it seems time to invoke a separate provision of the Constitution to “protect the states against invasion.”


66 posted on 10/30/2018 6:29:22 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (May Jesus Christ be praised.)
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To: RipSawyer

The original idea was to cement the rights of former domestic born slaves. The jurisdiction clause is technically broad enough to cover a lot of mischievous things. If I visit Canada and drive my car and I speed and I get a ticket, the jurisdiction I am subject to with respect to that act is Canada’s. That doesn’t mean I’m a Canadian citizen. Constitutional amendments need to be spelled out painfully clear to avert abuse.


67 posted on 10/30/2018 6:34:38 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (May Jesus Christ be praised.)
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To: Mark17

Chief Brody


68 posted on 10/30/2018 6:37:04 AM PDT by stanne
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To: Jim Noble

Are illegal aliens “subject to the jurisdiction thereof” or are in defiance of that jurisdiction?


69 posted on 10/30/2018 6:39:52 AM PDT by TheConservativeBanker
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To: traderrob6

An originalist justice would base his decision on the meaning of the clause “subject to the jurisdiction thereof” at time the amendment was ratified, not what libs or conservatives want it to mean today. Any legal scholars here know what the meaning of that clause was at the time of ratification?


70 posted on 10/30/2018 6:45:02 AM PDT by TheConservativeBanker
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To: SleeperCatcher

According to the wording of 14th Amendment, he can.


71 posted on 10/30/2018 6:45:12 AM PDT by odawg
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To: traderrob6

The debate has always been are children of illegals “subject to the jurisdiction thereof.” It looks like we’re going to find out.

I’m pretty skeptical too, but then I have been a Vikings fan for almost 50 years and a conservative for more than half that time. I have learned (painfully) to not get my hopes up.


72 posted on 10/30/2018 6:45:38 AM PDT by Gil4 (And the trees are all kept equal by hatchet, ax and saw)
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To: Nateman

“The Civil War amendments were created to Centralize power in DC so that slavery and discrimination could be outlawed. It’s time to repeal them because they are now used by the left in ways far beyond the intent. They have effectively erased the 9th and 10th admendments with this centalization of power.”

Agreed.


73 posted on 10/30/2018 6:46:35 AM PDT by Electric Graffiti (Jeff Sessions IS the insurance policy)
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To: Jim Noble

I am not a lawyer (actually hate the way laws are written full technicalities) but I quoted something on Rep King’s site. Who knows, maybe this is the fruit of the poison tree. If illegal and in the process of committing a crime, certain rights are limited.

The courts restricts constitutional rights of criminals all the the time. The right to own a gun, vote, be near a school, house arrest, etc... Let’s not water it down, they are here illegally, by being here they are in the act of committing a crime.


74 posted on 10/30/2018 6:48:12 AM PDT by BushCountry (thinks he needs a gal whose name doesn't end in ".jpg")
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To: Poison Pill

Agree. He can’t do this. I am suspicious of the story. His people would have told him a president can’t override the constitution by EO.


75 posted on 10/30/2018 6:57:47 AM PDT by Chuzzlewit
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To: stanne
Chief Brody

Yep. Roy Scheider. 👍

76 posted on 10/30/2018 6:58:05 AM PDT by Mark17 (Genesis chapter 1 verse 1. In the beginning GOD....And the rest, as they say, is HIS-story)
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To: TheConservativeBanker
An originalist justice would base his decision on the meaning of the clause “subject to the jurisdiction thereof” at time the amendment was ratified

So whose is subject to the jurisdiction? You're dealing with two separate persons here. The born and the unborn.

77 posted on 10/30/2018 7:01:54 AM PDT by Poison Pill
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To: SleeperCatcher

Do it. Even if the Judiciary overturns it, it is a poltical battle worth fighting.

Some time in politics having the fight, even if you lose, is better then conceding the field to the enemy.


78 posted on 10/30/2018 7:10:42 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (They would have to abandon leftism to achieve sanity. Freeper Olog-hai)
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To: Poison Pill

In every country with whose citizenship laws I have some familiarity, the child is subject to the same jurisdictions as the parent, since children (especially infants} have no legal capacity to accept or reject legal jurisdiction of a nation. In exceptional cases the child can be taken away from the parent and becomes a ward of the state. In that case the child is subject to the jurisdiction of the state. If the child is unborn it does not come under the jurisdiction of the US at the time the mother crosses our border. The issue of birthright citizenship does not apply to unborn children of illegal alien mothers. However, if you are referencing the abortion question, the born, unborn distinction is much more significant.


79 posted on 10/30/2018 7:14:17 AM PDT by TheConservativeBanker
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To: HiTech RedNeck
“protect the states against invasion.”

I rather prefer the phrase, "Clear and present danger." I hope Trump uses it in his EO.

80 posted on 10/30/2018 7:14:39 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Get in the Spirit! The Spirit of '76!)
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