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Sorry, Trump Lost(hurl alert)
National Review ^ | May 25th 2023 | JOHN MCCORMACK

Posted on 05/27/2023 4:52:00 PM PDT by Ennis85

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To: enumerated
If you deny the 2020 election was stolen, or blame President Trump for it

I haven’t done any of that, or very very little. His response has been completely unacceptable. Starting with taking $250M from people after the election, donated specifically for election security and using it for other purposes. He still doesn’t even have a plan for 2024 outside of “out vote the cheating” which he could have paid anyone much for that idea, which is a loser. His outrage is fake. Actions, or lack thereof, show someone’s true intentions.

81 posted on 05/28/2023 10:05:36 AM PDT by Golden Eagle (Do you really believe Trump when he says Cuomo did better, and DeSantis will raise taxes by 23%? )
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To: Golden Eagle

“His outrage is fake.”

Whatever. Everyone here knows what you think of Trump.


82 posted on 05/28/2023 10:13:49 AM PDT by enumerated ( )
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To: enumerated

You can’t endlessly jump up and down and scream about something without ever actually lifting a finger, and not have your motives questioned. Trump would clearly rather play golf and have gay parties at his resort than actually try to secure the elections. Actions speak louder than words. Judge them by their fruits.


83 posted on 05/28/2023 10:26:17 AM PDT by Golden Eagle (Do you really believe Trump when he says Cuomo did better, and DeSantis will raise taxes by 23%? )
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To: Golden Eagle

You don’t like Trump - we get it.


84 posted on 05/28/2023 11:03:05 AM PDT by enumerated ( )
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To: DiogenesLamp
They've been around long before him.

Found in the memory hole:

More than 4,000 votes vanished without a trace into a computer’s overloaded memory in one North Carolina county, and about a hundred paper ballots were thrown out by mistake in another. In Texas, a county needed help from a laboratory in Canada to unlock the memory of a touch-screen machine and unearth five dozen votes.

In other places, machine undercounting or overcounting of votes was a problem. Several thousand votes were mistakenly double-counted in North Carolina, Ohio, Nebraska, and Washington state. Some votes in other areas were at first credited to the wrong candidates, with one Indiana county, by some quirk, misallocating several hundred votes for Democrats to Libertarians. In Florida, some machines temporarily indicated votes intended for challenger John F. Kerry were for President Bush, and vice versa.

In the month since the election, serious instances of voting machine problems or human errors in ballot counts have been documented in at least a dozen states, each involving from scores of ballots to as many as 12,000 votes, as in a North Carolina county...local officials discovered problems and corrected final counts. In some cases, the changes altered the outcomes of local races. But in North Carolina, the problems were so serious that the state may hold a rare second vote..

Since 2000, watchdog groups have intensified their monitoring and cataloging of complaints and errors. The nonpartisan Verified Voting Foundation and other groups built a database of more than 30,000 ‘’election incidents” reported across the country this year. Most were routine, but nearly 900 involved significant e-voting problems, including malfunctions that shut down machines, lengthening waits at the polls. There were 42 reports of total breakdowns of machines in New Orleans and 28 in Philadelphia and ‘’15 reports of catastrophic machine failure” in Mercer County, Pa. [http://archive.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2004/12/01/voting_errors_tallied_nationwide?pg=full]

See also, “THIS DAY IN HISTORY: Election results between Al Gore and George Bush too close to call” [https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/presidential-election-al-gore-george-bush-too-close-to-call On December 12 Gore conceded to Bush] Also,

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/12/19/2004-kerry-election-fraud-2020-448604:

Steven Freeman felt, in his bones, that something was wrong with the election. It was November 2, 2004, and the exit polls had predicted an overwhelming victory for Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry. But as the night rolled on, the margins grew for President George W. Bush—especially in Ohio, where the race remained uncalled as the clock ticked into the wee morning hours.
For most of the world, the uncertainty didn’t last. Kerry conceded the next day, making a cordial call to Bush, after concluding that a recount in Ohio wouldn’t change the outcome of the race. But Freeman, then a research scholar at the University of Pennsylvania, remembers wondering, “How could this be?” He dug around for the exit poll numbers he had fleetingly seen on TV. Then he went down a rabbit hole of statistical analysis, in search of explanations for the Bush votes that seemed to have magically appeared. A week after the election, he shared a draft of his findings with colleagues, with the conclusion that “fraud was an unavoidable hypothesis.” His analysis wound up spreading widely, drawing thousands of responses from around the country: people who believed, as he did, that the election had been stolen...
With a political will fueled by images of hanging chads and squinting Florida poll workers, Congress in 2002 passed the bipartisan Help America Vote Act, or HAVA. The act required states to set up voter registration databases, voter identification procedures and provisional ballots for people whose names didn’t show up on the rolls at their home precincts. It also helped local districts purchase the latest in voting technology: optical scan ballot-readers and touch-screen machines that would, in theory, eliminate the human error and potential fraud inherent in paper counting. Even so, the Kerry campaign was prepared for a fight: It had assembled a nationwide network of lawyers to fight post-election battles, if necessary...
But people like Freeman, who dug into the exit poll numbers, also circulated a darker theory, centered on fraud that occurred after the vote—via those high-tech voting machines, whose results couldn’t be verified against an independent paper trail. Questions about why the exit polls were so inaccurate—which the mainstream media and even the pollsters attributed to flawed polling methodology—led others to spin out theories ... those who believed that the election had been stolen got no help from the mainstream press, where even left-leaning outlets wouldn’t take up the idea of a vast web of fraud. - https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/12/19/2004-kerry-election-fraud-2020-448604

85 posted on 05/28/2023 11:16:17 AM PDT by daniel1212 (As a damned+destitute sinner turn 2 the Lord Jesus who saves souls on His acct + b baptized 2 obey)
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To: Ennis85

Trump lost is the ONLY narrative they got.

PRETEND Biden got 81 million votes.

PRETEND there was NO election interference by Morrell and the FIFTY deep state stooges that KNOWINGLY used the cover of the CIA to promulgate that Hunter’s laptop was not authentic and was Russian disinformation.

Trump or Ron is an easy decision.

You either ACCEPT there was a coup or you either DENY there was coup.

This boy is a coup denier.

He has to be.

His pretension that Biden is in legitimate occupation of the White House means he MUST extend that pretension to there was no coup.

That is how it all breaks down for those who have voted Republican for a lifetime.

You either pretend that Biden is in legitimate occupation of the White House and get on Ron’s starship built by Musk or you get aboard the Trump train for one last ride.

Since I’ve always been a down to earth guy, I’m sticking with the Trump train.

The Bush train took me to nowhere.

And Ron’s starship has the same destination.


86 posted on 05/28/2023 11:18:57 AM PDT by Biblebelter
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To: Golden Eagle; Drew68; TexasGator
"The reason why was because he told the hard truth and got things done. Now he doesn’t do jack and just runs his mouth."

Why is it Romlims keep getting banned? droop, you, TexasGator; first you blame Trump supporters; then you blame administration and the owners; and so you've all sworn some sort of lame revenge against this website -- exactly like the Tedlims smacked down with the banhammer shortly after Cruz's implosion.

It doesn't have jack sh!t to do with DeSantis. You're all just auto-flaming, self-pwning chumps, a history of running your gob for the sake of running your gob, waiting for the inevitable -- Meatball runs 3rd in NH, 3rd in Iowa, and gets erased on Super Tuesday.

Arator, Prince P!zzpot of the Buchananites, was smarter than any of you, lasted longer than any of you will, and he is block-banned for life. Take the hint.

87 posted on 05/28/2023 1:24:47 PM PDT by StAnDeliver (Tanned, rested, and ready.)
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BTW, just rub the Ronlims face in their own offal, Meatball Ron believes the 2020 election was stolen; Meatball Ron backed the 2020 alternate slate of electors; and Meatball Ron picked a Florida Secretary of State who was chosen precisely because of his devotion to election integrity.

"Two months before he was Gov. Ron DeSantis’ pick to oversee Florida voting, Cord Byrd was a featured speaker at a seminar for people who falsely believe the 2020 election was stolen and wanted training to stop it from happening again.

Leading the Orlando summit was Cleta Mitchell, a conservative lawyer deeply involved in Donald Trump’s failed plot to overturn the 2020 election. In audio obtained by CNN, Mitchell introduced Byrd as someone committed to “election integrity ” – a phrase that has become a dog whistle for stoking myths about voting vulnerabilities. Mitchell described Byrd, a Republican state lawmaker at the time, as a trusted sounding board for new election policies and an active participant in weekly calls she hosted with like-minded officials across the country.

Byrd’s past collaboration with Mitchell, unreported until now, is illustrative of the access election deniers and those who have given oxygen to their conspiracies have gained in the highest levels of DeSantis’ government. For the past 10 months, top officials in DeSantis’ administration have met numerous times with Florida activists greatly influenced by Mitchell and other national figures involved in the scheme to overturn Trump’s 2020 defeat, according to records obtained by CNN. These activists, who operate under the name Defend Florida, argue that even the election results in the Sunshine State – which Trump won by a healthy margin – were tampered with.

DeSantis went on to raise concerns about the election process in neighboring Georgia, dancing around the edges of the conspiracies that have rattled the state ever since Trump lost by less than 12,000 votes. He said there was “massive ballot harvesting” in Atlanta.. He alleged that Atlanta prosecutors wouldn’t investigate voter fraud even if presented with evidence. DeSantis took particular issue with the amount of time needed for Georgia to finish tallying votes. It took days for the state to report a result.

In the days after the 2020 election, DeSantis was among the first Republican leaders to suggest that Trump-aligned legislators in key swing states had the power to intervene in the choosing of electors, even after all the votes were counted. He floated the idea during an appearance on Fox News two days after the election."



88 posted on 05/28/2023 1:35:28 PM PDT by StAnDeliver (Tanned, rested, and ready.)
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To: StAnDeliver

You didn’t know that about DeSantis? Well, actually I’m not surprised in the least since you leave in a three layer deep Truump bubble. As usual DeSantis is right on top of things, and actually putting in the work to secure elections.

But since you only ever listed to Trump, did you see today where he called Disney “woke” and “a disgusting shadow of itself.”

Trump must have dementia because he’s been tweeting before today that DeSantis was out of line going after them. Either has dementia or he just got word they’re not going to backroll his campaign like they did in 2016 and 2020, when they were in his top five both times.


89 posted on 05/28/2023 2:10:20 PM PDT by Golden Eagle (Do you really believe Trump when he says Cuomo did better, and DeSantis will raise taxes by 23%? )
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"Please don't ban me."

Sober up, and shut up.

Hey, but you do you, bEagle. I got a new name for you: Onan The Meatballahrian.

90 posted on 05/28/2023 2:28:44 PM PDT by StAnDeliver (Tanned, rested, and ready.)
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To: StAnDeliver

Sorry for the typos, in the middle of getting ready for the cookout tomorrow.

I see you have nothing but childish nicknames to offer in response, just like your empty headed idol. That one was is really pathetic, too. And you wonder why we don’t want people like this running the country again.


91 posted on 05/28/2023 3:00:03 PM PDT by Golden Eagle (Do you really believe Trump when he says Cuomo did better, and DeSantis will raise taxes by 23%? )
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To: StAnDeliver

“Meatball runs 3rd in NH, 3rd in Iowa, and gets erased on Super Tuesday.”

Why do you think Yrump gets erased on super Tuesday?


92 posted on 05/28/2023 6:39:18 PM PDT by TexasGator
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To: Golden Eagle
Completely false, Trump didn’t lift a finger after January 6 when his loss became official, and he finally had legal standing to contest it. He took the $250M he had just collected supposedly for that very purpose and split.

Where do you get this "somebody gave Trump 250 million dollars"...? thing?

93 posted on 05/29/2023 11:53:53 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimamcevoy/2021/01/31/trump-raised-250-million-since-election-to-challenge-outcome-heres-where-most-of-the-money-will-actually-go/?sh=31bcc51c8824

Notice the date of that article. At the time, I defended Trump here at FR from those claiming he was stealing that money, as I believed he would spend it trying to investigate who stole the election, and putting forth changes to prevent it from happening again. He’s done neither, and now that money is gone.

At this point it’s under investigation for campaign finance violation. It was originally a DC grand jury, that was interviewing Stephen Miller and others last year, but I believe they’ve now wrapped it up into the Special Counsel investigating J6.


94 posted on 05/29/2023 11:59:33 AM PDT by Golden Eagle (Do you really believe Trump when he says Cuomo did better, and DeSantis will raise taxes by 23%? )
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