Posted on 10/26/2023 9:10:03 AM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal
It’s been speculated that the Menorah may be under Oak Island in Nova Scotia,
that the Knights Templar stashed it there. along with the Ark of the Covenant.
Unlikely, but who knows….
Actually it was the 10th of Av, 3830. Gregorian calendar not yet having been invented.
It's a nice statement, but there are no Temple Treasures in Rome. The Colosseum or Flavian Amphitheater was built with some of the gold. A few items were displayed as war trophies, but vanished either during or by Byzantine times. Most probably got turned into coins, jewelry and the like. Gold often gets recycled, so you may have some of the Temple gold in your home.
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There are two: link. But no others, AFAIK.
I would assume they were melted down for coins soon after being paraded in Rome.
With about a 99% level of certainty. Of course, there's still that 1% ...
Thank you for the link. No items from inside the Temple though.
In my culture, we call this “unfounded conjecture”.
The Romans gave Judea the name “Syria Palestina” in the AD 100s, probably as an insult to the Jewish rebels who had been fighting against Roman rule.
Yes but until recent times the term “Palestinian” referred to Jews living in the land now referred to as “Palestine”. Arabs calling themselves “Palestinians” had no historical basis before Arafat and his gang of lunatics.
See the low white "fence" just outside the walls around the Inner Temple? That's where the signs were hung.
Yup,
The Three Gates...
Some call them;
The Way
The Truth
The Life.
I just meant the religious items inside like the menorah. Procopius states the menorah was taken to Carthage by the Vandals and then to Constantinople by Belisarius (maybe carried in his triumph, the last I think that ever took place). After that I think there's no record. Justinian certainly would have had need to melt it down.
in 70 AD the Romans won the first Jewish-Roman war.
Though you must remember that the “Jewish” side included 3 factions of Judeans (the Zealots, the Galileans under Menahem bin Judah (the son of Judas of GAlilee who led one of the first messianic revolts in 6 AD) and the traditionalists i.e. those holding the high priest as their leader) — in addition to these, the Idumeans (the Edomites) were equally fanatical Jewish partisans.
The Edomites had been forcibly converted to Judaism in 100 BC by the Judean Jewish king John Hyrcanus. One of those converted was Herod the Great’s father.
It is ironic that Edomites were wiped out as a nation because they died defending Jerusalem and died as Jews.
Anyway - the Romans also later had Roman-Samaritan wars and earlier and later Roman-Nabatean wars (the Nabateans were one of the ancestors of today’s “Palestinians”)
“Palestinians” or more precisely Arabized locals have in their ancestry not only Nabatean, but also Edomite, Samaritan, Jewish, Egyptian, Syriac, Roman, Greek, Persian etc. ancestry.
Procopius' works on Project Gutenberg
Procopius adds that Justinian, prompted by superstitious fear that the treasures had been unlucky for Rome and Carthage, sent them back to Jerusalem and the "sanctuaries of the Christians" there. No record however exists of their arrival there, and there are no indications of pilgrimages to a shrine for the Menorah there. If the Menorah arrived in Jerusalem, it may have been destroyed when Jerusalem was pillaged by the Persians in 614, though legend suggests that it was secreted away by holy men, much as tradition purports the original Menorah was hidden before Nebuchadnezzar's invasion
NOTE -- the Persians had Jewish allies (as the Jews were pretty happy to rise up against the Romans in 614 AD and later also helped the Arabs conquer Jerusalem in the same century) - so I doubt that it was destroyed then
More likely, imho, it was melted down and the gold made into other objects
Not quite -- while the Church administration has been extent throughout the period, the site of the current Vatican has not
The Popes lived at the nearby Lateran Palace (which is in Rome proper - on the opposite side of the Tiber) until 1350 and their return from Avignon, when they moved to the current Vatican site.
The current St. Peter's basilica was built on top of the old St. Peter's basilica (built in 309 ad) which was built on top of St. Peter's grave. It was not a place where "treasures" were kept
Also we KNOW that the Menorah was sent to Constantinople at the time of Justinian. There is little to no way it was brought to the "lost west" after that.
“90% of it is locked away and only 3 people get to see it..”
where do you get those numbers?
It was taken to Constantinople — we know that.
It is not mentioned after about 600 AD.
My guess is that it was melted down
Seminarians friends at the North American College at the Vatican who got into the Vatican archives
If by the Menorah and other valuables, did you also mean the Ark of the Covenant and the mercy seat?
When reading this just remember with God all things are possible so if it were God’s Will then somehow, some way...
https://anchorstone.com/christ-s-blood-on-the-mercy-seat-what-does-it-mean/
Before the FIRST Jewish-Roman war, the Romans had a problem that people were converting to Judaism (as we read in the first chapters of Acts) -- note that even the nephew and the daughter-in-law of the Emperor Vespasian were converts to Judaism (or more likely acolytes).
The Jews and Greeks were fighting each other in Caeasarea Maritime (Tel Aviv), the Decapolis (north-western Jordan today) and in Egyptian Alexandria as well as in Anatolia. The Jews were arguing with Nabateans and Samaritans.
Anyway, you can read in Josephus how Agrippa II who was Herod the Great's grandson and ruled over most of Judea and Galilee told the zealots etc. NOT to revolt as it would hurt the entire Jewish diaspora
There were 2 Jewish kingdoms (or 3 Jewish ruled areas) in 67 AD:
After the destruction of Jerusalem, the Judean kingdom remained under the Herodians - Jews were still allowed to live in Judea, but Jerusalem was a smouldering ruin
then the Jews committed genocide against the pagans in Cyrene and Cyprus during the SECOND Jewish-Roman war (called the Kitos war) = note that this genocidal activity is also noted in the Jewish encyclopedia as well as numerous Roman era works) and finally the Jews rose up again in 132 under ANOTHER "Messiah" - Simon Bar Kochkba (Simon, "son of the star" i.e. "son of God") and failed
after 132 the very term "Jewish" was considered linked to a treasonous sort and they were removed from their homeland
AT the same time the "Jesus-movement Jews" started jettisoning the "Jews" part of it, takin on the exonym "Christian" (or Nasrene in the east)
There was NOT a chance that there would be any "Jewish" kingdom as long as the eternal empire stood - so no question of a bargaining chip
When the Romans became Christian in 378 AD under Emperor Theodosius II, then this was just reinforced
There was a brief "Jewish" state in 614 AD when the Iranians conquered much of the Roman east and were aided by Jews in both Judea and in Egypt and rewarded them with positions of Authority
The Roman (whether headquartered in Rome, Milan or in Constantinople) would not envisage a Jewish (or Athenian or Gaulish) state unless the empire fell
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