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Hobbit remains found in Australia
Reuters ^ | Wed, Oct 27, 2004 | Patricia Reaney

Posted on 10/27/2004 10:51:55 AM PDT by presidio9

Scientists in Australia have found a new species of hobbit-sized humans who lived about 18,000 years ago on an Indonesian island in a discovery that adds another piece to the complex puzzle of human evolution.

The partial skeleton of Homo floresiensis, found in a cave on the island of Flores, is of an adult female that was a metre (3 feet) tall, had a chimpanzee-sized brain and was substantially different from modern humans.

It shared the isolated island to the east of Java with miniature elephants and Komodo dragons. The creature walked upright, probably evolved into its dwarf size because of environmental conditions and coexisted with modern humans in the region for thousands of years.

"It is an extraordinarily important find," Professor Chris Stringer, of the Natural History Museum in London, told a news conference on Wednesday. "It challenges the whole idea of what it is that makes us human."

Peter Brown of the University of New England in Armidale, Australia, and his colleagues made the discovery of the skull and other bones, and miniature tools in September 2003 while looking for records of modern human migration to Asia. They reported the finding in the science journal Nature.

"Finding these hominins on an isolated island in Asia, and with elements of modern human behaviour in tool making and hunting, is truly remarkable and could not have been predicted by previous discoveries," Brown said in a statement.

Local legends tell of hobbit-like creatures existing on islands long ago but there has been no evidence of them.

DESCENDENT OF HOMO ERECTUS

The hominin family tree, which includes humans and pre-humans, diverged from the chimpanzee line about 7 million years ago. Early African hominins walked upright, were small and had tiny brains.

The new species, dubbed "Flores man", is thought to be a descendent of Homo erectus, which had a large brain, was full-sized and spread out from Africa to Asia about 2 million years ago.

The new species became isolated on Flores and evolved into its dwarf form to conform with conditions, such as food shortages. Flores, which was probably never connected to the mainland, was home to a variety of exotic creatures including a dwarf form of the primitive elephant Stegodon.

Modern humans had reached Australia about 45,000 years ago but they may not have passed through Flores. The scientists suspect the new species became extinct after a massive volcanic eruption on the island about 12,000 years ago.

Brown and his colleagues have found the remains of seven other dwarf individuals at the same site since the first find.

"The other individuals all show similar characteristics, and over a time range that now extends from as long ago as 95,000 years to as recently as 13,000 years ago -- a population of hobbits that seemed to disappear at about the same time as the pygmy elephants that they hunted," said Bert Roberts, one of the authors of the Nature study.


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KEYWORDS: archaeology; crevolist; flores; floresiensis; ggg; godsgravesglyphs; history; hobbit; hobbits; homofloresiensis; mikemorwood; multiregionalism; oliverthemissinglink; tlotr
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To: Junior

Moratorium stress placemarker.


101 posted on 10/27/2004 11:51:21 AM PDT by PatrickHenry (Hic amor, haec patria est.)
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To: PatrickHenry

Dude, this election's got me so keyed up, I need the release of a good tussle with the forces of evil and ignorance.


102 posted on 10/27/2004 11:56:21 AM PDT by Junior (FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC)
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To: MineralMan; All

Ever hear of the "Orang Pendak"? From the description it sounds like these creatures. Even the location is right.


103 posted on 10/27/2004 11:57:49 AM PDT by Ahban
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To: presidio9

"Oliver the chimp originally thought to be apossible "missing link."

No! Oliver is just one ugly chimp, even by chimp standards!


104 posted on 10/27/2004 11:59:25 AM PDT by Hayzo
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To: Tijeras_Slim

LOL!! I remember that. :)


105 posted on 10/27/2004 12:01:21 PM PDT by Constitution Day (I don't know where the sunbeams end and the starlights begin, it's all a mystery...)
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To: Junior

They've been wrong before. I don't trust any of their supposed findings. I don't pretend to be smarter, just a lot more careful about believing what people tell me.


106 posted on 10/27/2004 12:08:53 PM PDT by Marysecretary
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To: presidio9

I predict this is the new "New Zealander builds Hobbit Hole" thread. LOL


107 posted on 10/27/2004 12:10:31 PM PDT by CharlieOK1 (Funny how Vietnam vets are 'baby killers' and pro-aborts are 'defenders of women')
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To: MineralMan

Scientists have been proven wrong before. I don't remember all the details but apparently they had thought part of a skull that was found was the remains of early man. It turned out to be that of a chimp or gorilla.


108 posted on 10/27/2004 12:11:17 PM PDT by Marysecretary
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To: nosofar

Exactly. I'm a wait and see kind of person. I don't automatically take their word for it! M


109 posted on 10/27/2004 12:12:40 PM PDT by Marysecretary
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To: The Hollywood Conservative
You've got to be pulling my Legolas...

Doing that too much will make you Gimli.

110 posted on 10/27/2004 12:12:52 PM PDT by js1138 (D*mn, I Missed!)
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To: presidio9

I don't take anyone's word for these kinds of findings. You mean, Dubya DIDN'T kill him???


111 posted on 10/27/2004 12:13:47 PM PDT by Marysecretary
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To: js1138
"Flores man"

Must have had healthy teeth.
112 posted on 10/27/2004 12:14:39 PM PDT by unspun (RU working your precinct, churchmembers, etc. 4 good votes? | Not "Unspun w/ AnnaZ" but I appreciate)
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To: Marysecretary
It probably WAS a chimp.

Yep.

113 posted on 10/27/2004 12:17:23 PM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Bungarian
It is a midget.

All eight skeletons? Was there a Yellow Brick Road?

114 posted on 10/27/2004 12:20:59 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: metalcor; Thinkin' Gal
What wonderful surmises they could make about our ancient-primitive society.

Would they surmise that satellite dishes were used to communicate with aliens? Rubic's cube holds an ancient mystery of life? Guys with red and yellow mohawks were a fiercesome tribe? Rocks were actually alive and used to be our pets?

115 posted on 10/27/2004 12:22:47 PM PDT by Lijahsbubbe (If it weren't for double standards liberals would have no standards at all)
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To: Constitution Day
Gaaaah!! WHY? WHY would someone create that?

I'm still recuperating from Shatner's Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds.

116 posted on 10/27/2004 12:31:20 PM PDT by jriemer (We are a Republic not a Democracy)
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To: blam; FairOpinion; Ernest_at_the_Beach; SunkenCiv; 24Karet; 2Jedismom; 4ConservativeJustices; ...
There are three similar threads (at least), but I'm only pingin' one. :')
Please FREEPMAIL me if you want on, off, or alter the "Gods, Graves, Glyphs" PING list --
Archaeology/Anthropology/Ancient Cultures/Artifacts/Antiquities, etc.
The GGG Digest
-- Gods, Graves, Glyphs (alpha order)

117 posted on 10/27/2004 12:32:59 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("All I have seen teaches me trust the Creator for all I have not seen." -- Emerson)
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To: MineralMan

"I've also posted a photo of a chimpanzee skull. Even a grade school kid can see that this small person is a hominid:"

I will concede that the skull does look like a hominid (although they may look quite different if viewed from the side). However, it is the whole "questioning what makes us human" remark that irks me. Pygmys, dwarves etc are short tool using hominids. Even if he discovered an ancient tribe of dwarves, it doesn't bring the nature of humanity into question.


118 posted on 10/27/2004 12:33:53 PM PDT by BadAndy (Specializing in unnecessarily harsh comments.)
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To: jriemer
*shudder*

My brother sent me that on a tape. Without much of a warning.

That was just WRONG.

But...while we're on the subject, kinda sorta...

The Ballad of Bilbo Baggins. Enjoy!

119 posted on 10/27/2004 12:35:52 PM PDT by RosieCotton (He is a very shallow critic who cannot see an eternal rebel in the heart of a conservative. - GKC)
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To: jriemer

Heard that a few years ago. It still haunts me.


120 posted on 10/27/2004 12:48:07 PM PDT by Constitution Day (I don't know where the sunbeams end and the starlights begin, it's all a mystery...)
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