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New Disc Gas Engine Looks to Challenge Traditional Diesel, Gas ICEs
Daily Tech ^ | April 7, 2011 4:17 PM | Jason Mick (Blog)

Posted on 04/09/2011 9:11:38 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach

Engine will likely offer in excess of 100 mpg


An artist's render shows the overall design of the Wave Disc Generator (Source: MSU/Norbert Mueller)

Michigan State University (MSU) mechanical engineering associate professor Norbert Mueller [profile] has invented an engine quite unlike those that the world is familiar with today.  It has no transmission.  It ditches the piston, valves, and crankshaft.  It doesn't need to use cooling liquids.

Meet the Wave Disc Generator [video], the engine that could be the death of traditional gas and diesel internal combustion engines (ICEs).

When people claim to have a novel alternative to the ICE, they're typically peddling snake oil investments.  But Dr. Mueller has carefully documented his progress and is offering a true ICE replacement.  In short, he's turned what's typically a fantasy into reality.


The Wave Disc Generator starts with a rotor that feeds fuel into channels in the disc.  As the rotor spins, it naturally mixes the fuel with oxygen in the air.  The rotor also blocks the channels as it cycles.  This creates a buildup in pressure within the channel chamber, which creates a shock wave capable of igniting the fuel.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Travel
KEYWORDS: gasengines; gogreengowhite; hitech; michigan; michiganstate; spartans
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1 posted on 04/09/2011 9:11:42 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Bet there's very little torque. Might make a decent fixed speed engine for a generator.

Interesting, but not holding my breath.

2 posted on 04/09/2011 9:16:15 AM PDT by prisoner6 (Right Wing Nuts bolt The Constitution together as the loose screws of the Left fall out!)
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To: Red Badger; NormsRevenge; Marine_Uncle; Fred Nerks; SierraWasp; tubebender; onyx; SE Mom

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3 posted on 04/09/2011 9:17:46 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

It looks interesting, but I’m skeptical whenever I see the Next Big Thing described in vague terms illustrated with a fuzzy drawing that lacks detail or a solid technical explanation of the theory of operation. If they have provisional patents filed, why not show and tell instead of having Dr. Norbert drone on and on?

Should create work for a good PR person at least! I’ll stay tuned.


4 posted on 04/09/2011 9:21:27 AM PDT by bigbob (u)
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To: prisoner6

That is what it is being built for, to power a generator, making a hybrid.


5 posted on 04/09/2011 9:23:48 AM PDT by runninglips (Republicans = 99 lb weaklings of politics.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Pulse jet go cart for sale!
6 posted on 04/09/2011 9:27:32 AM PDT by mylife (OPINIONS ~ $ 1.00 HALFBAKED ~ 50c)
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To: runninglips

The Wankel made it all the way to full production but has still never displaced the piston engine.

And, as far as I’m concerned from a motorcycle perspective the four-stroke still is unproven in the highest echelons of racing.


7 posted on 04/09/2011 9:28:38 AM PDT by Jack Black ( Whatever is left of American patriotism is now identical with counter-revolution.)
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To: Jack Black

:-) .. on that last comment.


8 posted on 04/09/2011 9:29:24 AM PDT by Jack Black ( Whatever is left of American patriotism is now identical with counter-revolution.)
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To: Jack Black

And what of the Stirling?


9 posted on 04/09/2011 9:29:50 AM PDT by mylife (OPINIONS ~ $ 1.00 HALFBAKED ~ 50c)
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To: prisoner6
All it needs is a flywheel or two. ";^)


10 posted on 04/09/2011 9:37:35 AM PDT by Past Your Eyes (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it.)
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To: prisoner6

The combustion engine is kinda like the light bulb. No on has really been able to come up with any kind of substitute that’s just as good if not better.


11 posted on 04/09/2011 9:37:59 AM PDT by MsLady (Be the kind of woman that when you get up in the morning, the devil says, "Oh crap, she's UP !!")
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; magslinger; AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; ColdOne; ...

And, the guy's only an assistant professor. :') Decades ago, there were a couple of diesel engine designs which never caught on, both were bent in the center, and the rotation of the halves produced the compression. They were mirror images of a sort -- one had the 120° pistons in the middle, the other one had the 120° cylinders in the middle.

It's more usual for ideas of this kind -- good or bad -- to languish.

Thanks Ernest.

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12 posted on 04/09/2011 9:38:57 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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To: mylife

LOL Looks like a V-1 on wheels. When you get close to your destination does it cut off and glide in? :~)


13 posted on 04/09/2011 9:39:13 AM PDT by Polynikes
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To: Jack Black
Concept vehicle for next-generation Mazda RX-9, as far as I know the only rotary engine in production in a commercially available vehicle today.

The problem with the current RX-8 is that it has only about 230HP while the competing Z-370 puts out 330 and the V8 Mustang puts out over 400. It gets worse gas milage than the V6 doing it, too. It will be interesting to see what they come up with in the 9 and if they finally get competitive with pistons. Gas milage has been one of the biggest weaknesses of the design, from what I can tell. It's light enough that they could put a bigger engine in and presumably match the power output of a piston engine, but the milage would be really bad.

They have done a great job on the styling at least. The current RX-8 was not ever a really cool looking car IMHO.

14 posted on 04/09/2011 9:40:23 AM PDT by Jack Black ( Whatever is left of American patriotism is now identical with counter-revolution.)
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To: Polynikes

It coasts in


15 posted on 04/09/2011 9:40:40 AM PDT by mylife (OPINIONS ~ $ 1.00 HALFBAKED ~ 50c)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I am looking for the return of the HVID engine. I once read an old newspaper article that said it could be powered by whipped cream.


16 posted on 04/09/2011 9:42:24 AM PDT by epithermal
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To: prisoner6
I'll bet your statement on low torque is right on the spot. I am dubious of whirling wheels being able to cut it when you need real lugging power like you get from a slow burn, long stroke diesel engine. If the only torque you get comes from high rpm, you will need a fluid slip transmission system which will greatly reduce the efficiency.
17 posted on 04/09/2011 9:42:47 AM PDT by iontheball
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To: Past Your Eyes

When ever anyone says flywheel I remember the old(really old)one cylinder gas engines with huge fly wheels. It was a hoot watching one run with only one explosion about every 3 or 4 seconds and the engine cycling through the other 3 strokes silently. However, they were able to do what they were designed for, run a generator or other farm equipment and the fly wheel took forever to stop turning after the engine died.


18 posted on 04/09/2011 9:43:45 AM PDT by calex59
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To: epithermal
Sounds delightful. But will it lead to the transmission of HVIDS?


19 posted on 04/09/2011 9:46:27 AM PDT by mylife (OPINIONS ~ $ 1.00 HALFBAKED ~ 50c)
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To: calex59

How about the old “Make and Break” marine engines, PONG...Pong...PONG?

How to Build a 3HP Launch Engine
... complete text, drawings, and instructions for an amateur to build a single cylinder, three horsepower, make’n’break, marine engine.

www.marineengine.com/books/g7.html


20 posted on 04/09/2011 9:51:05 AM PDT by WellyP
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