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Silent Nagasaki (“Raw” Footage of the Loading of the Fat Man Bomb)
Nuclear Secrecy ^ | February 7th, 2014 | Alex Wellerstein

Posted on 02/08/2014 10:37:19 AM PST by nickcarraway

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To: Starstruck
Still remembering the guy who died recently. He was at Hiroshima when it was bombed. He survived and headed home to Nagasaki. Survived that one too. What a bad week.

Tsutomu Yamaguchi

He died in 2010, aged 93.

He was from Nagasaki but was in Hiroshima on business (he worked for Mitsubishi). After surviving Hiroshima, he made his way back to Nagasaki, reported to work, and was recounting his experience to his supervisor, when Fat Man exploded.

21 posted on 02/08/2014 11:25:14 AM PST by cynwoody
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To: jmacusa; dainbramaged; The Free Engineer; dfwgator; njslim

Not only did these bombs save American lives, but Japanese ones as well.

Our military had estimates of 500,000 to 1,000,000 American casualties that would we would have suffered from an invasion of the Japanese mainland.

Those would have been our soldiers, and while it’s a horrible number, we could have recovered, albeit slowly.

The estimated casualties on the Japanese side were 2 to 5 times the American estimations. And those would have included civilians, who would have suffered much worse in an extended conflict than in the one week of the atomic bomb attacks.

A body count of 150,000 versus 2,000,000 to 5,000,000, in addition to untold suffering. Harry Truman would have been considered a monster by the U.S. and Japan to allow such a thing to happen, once it was known he had the bomb but refused to use it.

Then, we could have gone the other way and not invaded from the sea, but allowed the Soviets to do so via China.

Either way, it’s a good possibility we’d only know about the Japanese from museums and history books had we not dropped those bombs.


22 posted on 02/08/2014 11:28:31 AM PST by angryoldfatman
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To: cynwoody
He died in 2010, aged 93

I'm getting old and time is really starting fly by. 3 or 4 years ago isn't "recently".

23 posted on 02/08/2014 11:29:56 AM PST by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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To: Calvin Locke
Supposedly, about 125 high-value workers were railroaded from the aftermath of Hiroshima to Nagasaki just in time to experience it all over again.

According to Yamaguchi's Wikipedia article, he was the sole person officially recognized by the Japanese government as having survived both attacks.

24 posted on 02/08/2014 11:31:09 AM PST by cynwoody
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To: angryoldfatman

What’s scary to contemplate is what if Tojo and Company knocked off the Emperor before he made his broadcast?


25 posted on 02/08/2014 11:34:25 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: nickcarraway
It is largely concerned with the crew of the plane [Enola Gay] taking off

Pity. The Navy Ordinance Officer responsible for the arming of Little Boy was watching the B-29s take off the day before, and witnessed one, if not three, B-29s and crews, not surviving the take off.

The plan was for the A-bomb to be armed (4 cordite-containing bolts screwed into the nose) before take off.

He decided to hold off until safely airborne, and had the bomb loaded, and practiced the rest of the day, suited up, making his way to the bomb, and screwing/unscrewing the bolts in the confines of the bomb bay.

There isn't all that much in the way of structural integrity to stand upon in the bay...

26 posted on 02/08/2014 11:34:56 AM PST by Calvin Locke
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To: angryoldfatman
Then, we could have gone the other way and not invaded from the sea, but allowed the Soviets to do so via China.

I usually ask people to ponder how history would be different today if the Iron Curtain that fell across Europe were to have included Japan in the 1940's? That was a very likely outcome had we allowed the Soviets to get involved in the War in the Pacific. As it was, the Soviets were trying to play catch-up, having only very recently declaring war on Japan (August 8, 1945, between the bombings).

27 posted on 02/08/2014 11:39:55 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: Cyber Liberty

And imagine if the war extended beyond 1949, when Mao Tse Tung took over China.

The Chinese were going to join in and they were thirsty for revenge, to say the least.


28 posted on 02/08/2014 11:41:36 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: Calvin Locke
There isn't all that much in the way of structural integrity to stand upon in the bay...

Not to mention being colder than a witches....well, you know. I understand he had to be fairly quick about loading the triggers because his fingers were getting stiff.

29 posted on 02/08/2014 11:44:00 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: dfwgator

The interaction between China and the USSR would have been...interesting.


30 posted on 02/08/2014 11:45:32 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: Cyber Liberty

Well they were pals for the first few years, at least on the surface.


31 posted on 02/08/2014 11:46:49 AM PST by dfwgator
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“What’s scary to contemplate is what if Tojo and Company knocked off the Emperor before he made his broadcast?”

What is scary to contemplate is that the war in Japan was ACTUALLY ended by a tape recorder. At the time of the broadcast, the emperor's palace was surrounded and he wasn't going anywhere. What the conspirators didn't know was that there had been great concern that the emperor couldn't get through the speech without choking up. So they recorded it the night before. The message played that day was actually a recording!

What did come out of this was that the conspirators, who were also the most hard line and wanted to continue the war no matter what, were completely embarrassed over their failure and most committed ritual suicide. That was the main reason the resistance fell apart and we did not have a long insurgency, as in Iraq.

32 posted on 02/08/2014 11:47:26 AM PST by I cannot think of a name
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To: I cannot think of a name

I think that would be the subject of a great movie, “The Emperor’s Speech.”


33 posted on 02/08/2014 11:49:27 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: nickcarraway

Bfl


34 posted on 02/08/2014 11:50:05 AM PST by gaijin
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To: dfwgator

Fighting over the spoils of a war with Japan would have had quite the impact on that chumminess.


35 posted on 02/08/2014 11:50:45 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: nickcarraway

When I was a kid I met the pilot who flew the plane that the photographers were on. He said that he knew nothing about the bomb but was told to fly to certain coordinates and make a sharp turn and open the bay doors. I remember that his last name was Cline. Real interesting fellow.


36 posted on 02/08/2014 11:53:44 AM PST by Slyfox (We want our pre-existing HEALTH INSURANCE back!)
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To: dfwgator

My dad fought with Patton’s Third Army. Upon completion of Europe, he was sent back to the US to train for the invasion of...JAPAN.

When they heard of the Atomic bombs, they knew it was over and all breathed a sigh of relief.


37 posted on 02/08/2014 12:00:11 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

That was the subject of the last episode of Band of Brothers, everyone was obsessed with getting enough “points” so as to avoid having to participate in the invasion of Japan. Pure unbridled joy when they learned of the bombs and the surrender.


38 posted on 02/08/2014 12:03:53 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: nickcarraway

very cool footage.

Thanks for posting it


39 posted on 02/08/2014 12:07:19 PM PST by digger48
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To: I cannot think of a name

Exactly correct, on all counts.

The Force is strong in you.


40 posted on 02/08/2014 12:15:09 PM PST by gaijin
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