Posted on 05/29/2015 3:58:26 PM PDT by BruceDeitrickPrice
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>> “ If I’m not misreading it, your belief is that the most important element of schooling is the religious portion and if a school does not include a large dose of religion it is a failure and leads to godlessness. I will point out that we have had public schools in this country since before we were a country, and the 1800s and early 1900s did not appear to be a particularly godless time.” <<
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And now I will point out what you appear to have deliberately left out:
Until the mid 1800s the US government printed Bibles for the schools, and that Bible was more than half of the curriculum, when our schools were turning out great men.
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Re: ...”yours ( meaning me) is a position that is fully supported by Grand Ayatollah Sistani.”
If anything it is the government school defenders who **are** the Ayatollahs!
Government school defenders are the people who defend a system of schooling that **FORCES** their religious worldview ( godless) on CAPTIVE kids! And...It is the government school defenders who defend FORCING their neighbors to fund their anointed religious and NON-neutral godless worldview.
Shame on these government school defending **BULLIES**!
It is those who are calling for complete privatization of all schooling who are defending CHOICE , and freedom. Let parents decide what religious worldview is best suited to their family's values and beliefs whether those beliefs are godless or God-centered.
Yeah! I am shouting. I am sorry but is it possible that you are deaf? I believed that I was very plain in my arguments in my previous posts and I know that a government school defender would never ( oh! never! ) deliberately misunderstand then totally distort an opponent's plainly stated arguments. I hope this clears things up for you.
What does Christ do with the lukewarm? Answer: He spits them out of His mouth!
Only in a private setting can children receive the non-generic and fully warmed up religious worldview ( godless or God-centered) that most closely supports the values taught in the home.
Government should have never flopped its big hairy toe over the line into the business of schooling. Why? Answer: Because education can never be religiously, culturally, and politically neutral. Such a philosophic state of neutrality is impossible in the mind of any sentient human. Those political factions with the greatest clout will get to control the non-neutral worldview of the next generation of voters.
In the 19th century Protestant Christians had the most political clout. Today, it is the secular atheists.
So, let me understand this. I have NO problem with the current system of allowing parents the choice of sending their children to public schools, religious school, private schools, charter schools, or home schooling. Your position is the “complete privatization of all schooling”. You claim that this is the position of CHOICE (your caps), and freedom. How is your position taking away my ability to choose the method of schooling for my children the position of CHOICE, and freedom? If you don’t like the public school system, you currently have the freedom not to use it. However, don’t take a position that curtails my right to use the method I think best and call if CHOICE, and freedom.
Your characterization of the public schools position of leaving religion out of the schools as being an “anointed religious” position is very interesting. To quote Inigo Montoya from “Princess Bride” – I do not think it means what you think it means” Seriously, to take a non-religious position and call it an anointed religious position?
By the way – not deaf. There’s a little tinnitus in the left ear that I blame on not using ear protection at the range when I was younger, but my hearing is adequate.
Privatization is a good idea for all the reasons I have outlined many, many, many times here on Free Republic and elsewhere. In the free market of ideas, good ideas win.
Vouchers, tax credits, charters, on-line schooling, co-ops, and homeschooling are growing every year. I fully expect to live to see the day when government owned and run schools are non-existent or very rare. It is possible that I might even live to see the day that there is complete separation of school and state.
Large and intractable institutions can lose their legitimacy seemingly overnight. Some examples are the Protestant Reformation, the American Revolution, slavery, Jim Crow, same-sex marriage. Government institutional schooling is not special. It can completely unravel....quickly!
Quite honestly, I am bored with this debate, especially since my position is winning politically, with parents, and with the voting public.
I notice you didn’t answer the question as to why your position curtailing my freedom to choose is the position of FREEDOM and CHOICE.
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