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Were Trump voters in primaries told, "it's only for the first vote" at the convention?
Self---rare vanity | April 12, 2016 | Self - rare vanity

Posted on 04/12/2016 2:15:50 PM PDT by gg188

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To: gg188

Those are pretty much always the rules. State vary on how many votes one is “guaranteed” for, and some vary within their delegate pool. But eventually all delegates wind up unbound. And with good reason, if nobody gets the magic number the first time around, and nobody is allowed to vote different in subsequent votes, then you can’t get a nominee. Eventually you have to let the delegates change their votes. There’s a reason we’re a republic, not a democracy, these delegates are our representatives.

BTW the electoral college runs similarly, if nobody hits the 50%+1 number on the first vote members start being able to change their votes.

Those are the rules. Have been the rules for longer than you’ve been alive. And will probably continue to be the rules long after you’re gone. Because they kind of need to be that way.


21 posted on 04/12/2016 2:37:29 PM PDT by discostu (This unit not labeled for individual sale)
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To: gg188
Yea, that is what worse, many of them purport to be Christians!

Convention fights are for those races in which both candidates are locked together and only a convention battle can decide it.

They are not for those who clearly cannot win the nomination with the majority of the delegates but decide to do what they can to stop the frontrunner from getting that number so they can fight at the convention.

This is ignoring the spirit behind the primary system.

22 posted on 04/12/2016 2:38:00 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: gg188
I've known since I started voting in primaries (about 40+ years ago) that the delegates being elected were not bound beyond the first ballot.

You have no way of knowing how the Cruz people are switching Trump voters. If you have evidence of bribery, take it to the FEC. Bribery is a felony which no one should be accused of without evidence.

I do remember the Ford people complaining about Reagan doing the same thing in 1976. I know that you want to claim the high moral ground but this appears to be nothing more than procedural politics at which Trump has shown himself to be inept to this point. How is Trump going to deal with Putin if he can't handle Cruz? Putin is infinitely more conniving than Cruz.

23 posted on 04/12/2016 2:38:45 PM PDT by CommerceComet (Ignore the GOP-e. Cruz to victory in 2016.)
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To: CommerceComet

And in all of those primaries did you ever hear a case where someone who was mathematically eliminated stayed in the race just to force a convention fight?


24 posted on 04/12/2016 2:40:20 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: BCrago66
You’re also admitting that you Trumptards are so ignorant of basic American civics and political party convention rules that have existed for over 150 years that you need your intellectual betters in the Cruz campaign to slowly explain them to you.

Yes, exactly. Also, be sure to type the words slowly to your posts on FR so that the Trumpanzees can comprehend them better.

25 posted on 04/12/2016 2:40:31 PM PDT by Sideshow Bob (#nevertrump)
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To: gg188
No---what this means is, Cruz's people who stayed behind and CONVERTED Trump delegates to CRUZ delegates BRIBED, ARM-TWISTED, THREATENED or BLACKMAILED these delegates to switch.

Not even close. When most of the primaries and caucuses were held, the actual delegates had not been selected to fill those spots. What Cruz did was get enough of his supporters to the precinct, county and state conventions in each state to have his supporters selected to be delegates to the national convention, regardless of who the were bound to support on the first ballot. No bribery, blackmail or other chicanery was necessary - these people were already his supporters. This was not a matter of him converting Trump supporters - Trump had no organization in most states to get his supporters selected as delegates.

And if you are not smart enough to know what the rules are for your caucus or primary concerning how many ballots the delegate is bound, maybe you shouldn't be voting in the first place...

26 posted on 04/12/2016 2:41:42 PM PDT by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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To: gg188

gg I have no doubt you and I would get along fine in the real world. I have to tell you though, complaining about how things work and have worked for longer than you have been a live feeds the rather unflattering image of trump supporters being “low information”.

If you are actually upset that you weren’t told please look to your leadership and ask them why in the heck they didn’t tell you.

You Trum folks are, to your credit, a passionate lot. I ask you kindly to become informed, involved in the party, and active. You’ll be welcomed.

Your passion will help move things forward but your lack of knowledge will hold you back.


27 posted on 04/12/2016 2:41:57 PM PDT by Outlaw76 (Conservative, Showman, Rino. Make your choice wisely.)
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To: gg188

I think the Republican Party network is a closed system if you are an UN-engaged voter, who just believed that the winner of your state primary simply was the winner, earned delegates and all, as the state and party rules allowed.

Throw in here and there a few delegates for a second place finisher, or other place holders who managed 20 percent of the vote, in some states.

That was suppose to be the casual take, and the end of the story.

NO ONE was prepared for a fraudulent process at the grassroots level.

For that to occur and be a success, you have to see the corruption of ethics and principle goes far deeper than we ever imagined.

To top it off, these perpetrators who give their hands and feet over to the fraud want to call it “God’s work”, or “skillful execution of the process”, or “Silly you, for not knowing how to process the fraud”.


28 posted on 04/12/2016 2:42:42 PM PDT by RitaOK ( VIVA CRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming)
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To: Cyman
During their divorce in 1991, Donald Trump’s ex-wife Ivana accused him of “raping” her three years previously. But she has since clarified it was not in “a literal or criminal sense”.

Your lies will be countered every time.

29 posted on 04/12/2016 2:43:43 PM PDT by Robert DeLong (u)
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To: gg188

That doesn’t change the fact that they are bound for the first 3 rounds.


30 posted on 04/12/2016 2:44:48 PM PDT by Robert DeLong (u)
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To: gg188
When I get involved in anything that has rules. I will read them to make sure I am getting into something I want to be involved in.

For me, I knew the rules of the Republican convention for years.

I also understood that states can change their rules at anytime before or during their state convention.

I also knew that the national party can change their rules before the first vote at the convention.

Gee, they do it every time.

If Trump was a Republican he would have known it. However, we know how Trump works. Rules are for him to follow when they benefit him, and they are to be ignored them when they don't benefit. Now it seems that his supporters do the same thing.

Donald Trump brags he used the Bankruptcy rules to dodge over $1 billion in debt.
Yet he accuses Ted Cruz of stealing delegates when Cruz used party rules.

Donald Trump brags about his ability to make $billions by making deals.
Now He attacks Cruz for following the rules to make deals to win delegates

Trump followers praised him for doing and saying whatever it took to win.
Now they attack Ted Cruz for doing the same thing.

Trump and his supporters claims Cruz isn't a good deal maker and cannot close deals.
Now he and his supporters attack Cruz for his deal making prowess that could win him the nomination.
31 posted on 04/12/2016 2:45:23 PM PDT by OneVike (I'm just a Christian waiting for a ride home)
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To: dirtymac

No, Cruz stuned their beebers, making them momentarily weak and open to persuasion. He’s sneaky you know.


32 posted on 04/12/2016 2:46:02 PM PDT by Nickname
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To: gg188

Cruz supporters have absolutely no morals.

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What? A Trumpist insulting Cruzers? Here at FR? Why, that hasn’t happened in - well - seconds.

It’s OK though. Jim Rob is on your side and soon the Cruzers will get the zot.

In the meantime - Trump is so clueless - he doesn’t know the difference between Washington State and Washington DC.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3420207/posts


33 posted on 04/12/2016 2:48:33 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (Plan A. Split the GOP. Plan B. Hillary Wins!)
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To: discostu

Gasp! You mean elections are not won with the popular vote?!?!?!???!!

WHY ISNT THIS IN BREAKING NEWS?????

WHY do we have elections if the establishment gets to pick the winner???

Representative Republic anyone? Tell me people are just kidding with the stupid, please. Please.


34 posted on 04/12/2016 2:48:37 PM PDT by NotQuiteCricket (Spoons cause obesity. Please call congress to pass a law banning spoons, for the children's future.)
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To: gg188

“No-—what this means is, Cruz’s people who stayed behind and CONVERTED Trump delegates to CRUZ delegates BRIBED, ARM-TWISTED, THREATENED or BLACKMAILED these delegates to switch.”

Felonies. Strong talk. Can you prove it?


35 posted on 04/12/2016 2:48:42 PM PDT by PLMerite (Compromise is Surrender: The Revolution...will not be kind.)
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To: Robert DeLong

So. It wasn’t rape-rape.

Whoopi Goldberg approves.


36 posted on 04/12/2016 2:49:54 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (Plan A. Split the GOP. Plan B. Hillary Wins!)
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To: discostu
BTW the electoral college runs similarly, if nobody hits the 50%+1 number on the first vote members start being able to change their votes.

Incorrect. The members of the Electoral College cast their votes in their own state, and then send the results to Congress. Technically, the electors from California have no idea how the electors from Nevada voted. If there is no majority winner once Congress counts the votes from the Electoral College, then the House chooses the President (one vote per state) and the Senate chooses the VP.

37 posted on 04/12/2016 2:50:36 PM PDT by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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To: Solson

His ex-wife says this NEVER happened. You are a bald-faced liar!

__________________________

See post 29. Now who’s the bald faced liar?


38 posted on 04/12/2016 2:51:55 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (Plan A. Split the GOP. Plan B. Hillary Wins!)
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To: fortheDeclaration
And in all of those primaries did you ever hear a case where someone who was mathematically eliminated stayed in the race just to force a convention fight?

Ronald Reagan 1976

He knew he was mathematically eliminated and forced a convention fight which Ford prevailed when uncommitted delegates from Mississippi switched at the convention to vote for Ford on the first ballot.

See, Reagan was hoping for a 2nd ballot or for some of Fords uncommitted delegates to switch to him.

So was the greatest President in history, Ronaldo maximus Reagan, also a cheat and a liar when he lost to Ford at the convention?
39 posted on 04/12/2016 2:52:25 PM PDT by OneVike (I'm just a Christian waiting for a ride home)
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To: gg188

Have they taken a basic government class?

I see this as another failure of our school system that so many people do not understand our form of government.

Do people know anything about previous primary battles?


40 posted on 04/12/2016 2:52:44 PM PDT by luckystarmom
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