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Aliens may have existed in our solar system long before us
nypost.com ^ | Jasper Hamill, The Sun

Posted on 04/29/2017 8:37:15 AM PDT by BenLurkin

“A prior indigenous technological species might have arisen on ancient Earth or another body, such as a pre-greenhouse Venus or a wet Mars,” he wrote.

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Earth’s plate tectonics would effectively have “erased” the traces of a civilization that lived billions of years ago.

Venus is in the grip of a severe greenhouse effect and also undergoes similar “resurfacing” that would scour it clean of artifacts.

This leaves just a handful of places where archaeologists might find traces of a lost extraterrestrial civilization.

“Remaining indigenous technosignatures might be expected to be extremely old, limiting the places they might still be found to beneath the surfaces of Mars and the moon, or in the outer solar system,” Wright added.

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The astronomer suggested that very old spaceships could still be lingering in the Asteroid Belt or Kuiper Belt, a disc at the very edge of the solar system that’s made up of icy objects.

These artifacts are likely to be the remains of ancient probes, space bases or industrial facilities.

“In the case of a prior indigenous technological species, the artifacts might have had totally different purposes, such as asteroid mining operations or settlements on other planets and moons,” Wright wrote.

“Such structures would be expected to fall into disrepair, especially if its creators are absent.”

So where are these aliens likely to have come from?

Wright suggested they may hail from somewhere that’s very close to home.

The presence of intelligent life on Earth makes it more likely that ye olde aliens hailed from this solar system, rather than being descended from an “extraterrestrial species that crossed interstellar space,” he concluded.

(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...


TOPICS: Astronomy; Chit/Chat; Science; UFO's
KEYWORDS: aatip; astronomy; ceti; frederikpohl; fringe; heechee; jasontwright; jasperhamill; mars; ohsomysteriouso; pennstate; platetectonics; science; seti; tabbysstar; tedtalks; ufo; ufos; venus; whereisquix; xplanets
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To: KC_Lion

Liberalism: Destroyer of worlds


41 posted on 04/29/2017 9:12:34 AM PDT by rbg81 (Truth is stranger than fiction)
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To: BenLurkin
Get yo ahss to Mahs...


42 posted on 04/29/2017 9:13:19 AM PDT by Ciaphas Cain (The choice to be stupid is not a conviction I am obligated to respect.)
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To: BenLurkin

The one word answer to this is “no.”

Our star system is a third or even fourth generation system. The first systems were composed entirely of hydrogen and helium (the helium forming in the fusion of hydrogen). Even today, the universe consists of 99 percent hydrogen and helium.

The heavier atoms (called “metals”) were formed in the burning of “the ash” of dying star systems and in implosions. The burning of the ash results in heavy atoms including iron, carbon and oxygen. It takes supernova to produce yet heavier atoms such as gold and uranium.

https://www.sciencelearn.org.nz/resources/1727-how-elements-are-formed

Now, think about our planet. In consists mostly of iron, nitrogen, carbon, etc., and has lesser quantities of just about everything else that doesn’t have a short half-life. This means that our star system had to have formed relatively recently, from materials expelled by supernovae. BUT this also means that ANY star system in which life could form had to have formed relatively recently.

IT IS THEREFORE IMPOSSIBLE for intelligent life to come to this star system “billions” of years ago.

If you want to push this thing to the limit, maybe intelligent life could have come here a few hundreds of millions of years ago.

Having said everything I have already said, it must be recognized that the formation of the universe, of stars and of star systems, of our star system in particular, of our planet, of life and of life in all of its wonderful variety involved a series of such improbable events that “miracle” is the only way to describe them. If, therefore, you belief in miracles, you might allow that supernatural creatures might have been here or anywhere or everywhere, from the beginning.


43 posted on 04/29/2017 9:13:40 AM PDT by Redmen4ever
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To: BenLurkin

From the “March For Science” crowd.


44 posted on 04/29/2017 9:14:53 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: Moonman62

You’ve hit the nail on its head. There is zero evidence of ancient civilizations that predate the surviving old crust geology. Nonsensical article.


45 posted on 04/29/2017 9:15:05 AM PDT by JimSEA
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To: Pollster1

Yeah — you look and him and think, well he ought to know.


46 posted on 04/29/2017 9:16:48 AM PDT by Southside_Chicago_Republican (If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.)
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To: alloysteel
You want a REAL “climate change project”? Terraform Venus.

Wouldn't our Lib "friends" say it was our ancestors that ruined Venus and escaped to earth? I know some lunatic left-wingnuts who would probably say that!

47 posted on 04/29/2017 9:25:00 AM PDT by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: HarleyD

UFOs and aliens are an alternative religion.


48 posted on 04/29/2017 9:30:15 AM PDT by xp38
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To: BenLurkin

Time to bring back out the “Men In Black” “memory eraser thingy”!


49 posted on 04/29/2017 9:33:47 AM PDT by johnthebaptistmoore (The world continues to be stuck in a "all leftist, all of the time" funk. BUNK THE FUNK!)
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To: 2banana
Hmmm....erased all evidence on earth. How convienent...

Evidence proving the existence of other advanced humanoid species has been turning up for hundreds - maybe thousands of years, and much of it is well documented.

The problem is the evidence, not the lack of it. Its a problem because its existence threatens the agreed upon paradigm of human origins and mankind's place in the universe.

50 posted on 04/29/2017 9:39:54 AM PDT by Windflier (Pitchforks and torches ripen on the vine. Left too long, they become black rifles.)
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To: marron
Anything left on the moon would be there for millennia unchanged.

There are photos in the NASA archives of objects and artifacts on the moon that defy explanation.

51 posted on 04/29/2017 9:45:47 AM PDT by Windflier (Pitchforks and torches ripen on the vine. Left too long, they become black rifles.)
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To: Redmen4ever

Amino acids are found in interstellar material.
Thus, it is possible, even likely that the “building blocks of life” were here from our solar system’s beginning, or were deposited from asteroid or comet collisions during the early years.
If true for us, probably true for many, if not most star systems in our galaxy.


52 posted on 04/29/2017 9:53:00 AM PDT by FroggyTheGremlim (Hillary Clinton: the official candidate of the National Sleep Foundation)
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To: HarleyD
Fascinating how people can believe in aliens yet deny the existence of God and spiritual beings.

I find it fascinating that people can believe in an all powerful creator God, yet deny the existence of His living creations throughout the universe.

53 posted on 04/29/2017 9:53:08 AM PDT by Windflier (Pitchforks and torches ripen on the vine. Left too long, they become black rifles.)
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To: NativeSon

Heheh ;)


54 posted on 04/29/2017 9:57:09 AM PDT by Trillian
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To: Dilbert San Diego
"And it’s curious how certain “atheist” types, believe in global warming as if it were a religious faith."

That's an important observation, and one that I've often pondered. It seems to me that a desire to be "holier than thou" is a universal human tendency which exists wholly separate from any religious belief. Being morally or spiritually superior is a pleasing conceit. It inflates the ego, improves an otherwise poor self-image, and gives one license to rationalize acts which are otherwise wrong. Thus we see "Social Justice Warriors" and "Eco Terrorists" whose cause exempts them from normal rules of behavior, if not the law itself.

55 posted on 04/29/2017 9:59:18 AM PDT by PUGACHEV
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To: Redmen4ever

Excellent post


56 posted on 04/29/2017 10:00:19 AM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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To: mountn man
Yeah...Aliens seeded our planet. Okay, where did the aliens come from? Other aliens? Then where did they come from? At some point, there is a starting point.

DNA proves the existence of a Master Coder.

The most basic living cell we know of requires the precise arrangement of something like 150 amino acids to exist. Those amino acids didn't all just happen to line up by pure chance and come to life on their own.

Someone wrote the code to precisely assemble those amino acids into an exact order that would produce that cell, then breathed life into it to create a living organism.

57 posted on 04/29/2017 10:08:59 AM PDT by Windflier (Pitchforks and torches ripen on the vine. Left too long, they become black rifles.)
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To: Moonman62
He’s avoiding the bigger problem of explaining how these previous civilizations evolved taking into account what we know about our own evolution.

We know very little of where humans came from and can only speculate. I'd say it's possible, if they had existed, they likely did not originate here and were brought here or were simply developed here by a race so advanced, the ancients at the time saw them as supreme beings or Gods.

All this is odd because many of these same questions here can be asked about God. The fact remains we have no idea here God came from other than comments written by humans such as "God was always here, he is the end and the beginning" etc. And all that might be true, but still we have no documentary proof or hard evidence. I dunno. One thing I am fairly confident about is humans were not created on their own here simply because the chemistry/environment was right etc. I don't buy that.

58 posted on 04/29/2017 10:14:40 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: 2banana
"And nothing in orbit? Nothing on the moon? Not even a monolithic black rectangular box?"


59 posted on 04/29/2017 10:16:41 AM PDT by PLMerite (Lord, let me die fighting lions. Amen)
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To: KC_Lion

Such a good villain ruined by a rushed ending, forced by an impatient publisher. EA sucks.


60 posted on 04/29/2017 10:30:11 AM PDT by catbertz
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