Posted on 09/09/2017 9:53:49 PM PDT by Olog-hai
China is joining France and Britain in announcing plans to end sales of gasoline and diesel cars.
China’s industry ministry is developing a timetable to end production and sale of traditional fuel cars and will promote development of electric technology, state media on Sunday cited a Cabinet official as saying.
The reports gave no possible target date, but Beijing is stepping up pressure on automakers to accelerate development of electrics.
China is the biggest auto market by number of vehicles sold, giving any policy changes outsize importance for the global industry.
A deputy industry minister, Xin Guobin, said at an auto industry forum on Saturday his ministry has begun “research on formulating a timetable to stop production and sales of traditional energy vehicles,” according to the Xinhua News Agency and the Communist Party newspaper People’s Daily.
France and Britain announced in July they will stop sales of gasoline and diesel automobiles by 2040 as part of efforts to reduce pollution and carbon emissions that contribute to global warming. …
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“Faced with a historic drought this spring, cities downstream of the dam have been unable to accommodate oceangoing vessels that usually visit their ports,”
I’m going to check that personally next month - going on a Yangtze river cruise.
“The Slimes had some rare criticism for their Maoist brethren back in 2011”
China is way less Maoist today than the Slimes and our leftists... but I’ll double check next month just to be sure, :)
If China goes less Maoist, it can only go more Leninist.
Well clearly it’s a silly plan but more importantly there is almost no understanding of what electric vehicles cannot do.
There are over a billion people there and every one of them has to eat. Their food doesn’t move on battery powered cars; it moves on diesel-powered trucks just the way it does here. Agricultural tractors don’t run on batteries and if they don’t run, no one eats.
Oil is all important for a reason. It is the only way to plow thousands of acres before planting season expires. It’s the only way to harvest food before it rots in the fields.
I believe we had this discussion before - To Marx, Mao and Lenin private ownership of anything was anathema. It is the antithesis of communism.
Maybe you should come with me and we can both check if Chinese today own any cars, houses, businesses, stocks, bank accounts, etc.
What do you say?
Peasants shouldn’t have cars. It gives them the idea that they might question the Party. If they can’t just pack up and drive off, they’ll just shut up.
Look at how far apart villages are. A few klicks. Walking distance. It's been like that for 2,000 years. Suddenly, in the last 20 years, they can drive. The ability to travel, to see what is over the next hill, causes dissatisfaction. Choke off gasoline, and the Party can strangle the ability of the workers to learn that the Grass might be greener...
“Did no one tell them that that is up to battery technology improvements, not edicts from bureaucrats?”
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Not to mention the huge increase in building coal fired and nuclear power plants just to charge those hundreds of millions vehicles ... China is already importing coal and it takes years to build new power plants. It will be a while ...
“The Three Gorges Dam they finished recently generates the equivalent of 18 nuclear power plants - enough electricity for 18 million people.”
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Enough electricity for a palty 18 million at current demand ... In a nation approaching two billion people ...
All of that is why China has laws against country folk moving into the cities without the proper paperwork, permits, jobs etc. Even with all of that, country folk are not eligible for any of the benefits available to the city born; worse, loss of job means going back to the country side.
I think this is a good move by China. They will be building up their own energy infrastructure while defunding the pathologic Middle East states, in the long run. By 2040, battery technology should be substantially higher improved over today.
The reason this is happening around the world is not because of an ecological concern but an economical one. The total cost (political and military) of acquiring oil and gas from hostile sources (Russia and the Middle East for the Eurozone, the USA for China) has become too great for many countries to bear. We’ll see every sort of cockamamie scheme we can imagine set up to find energy alternatives, all of which are likely to fail bigly (like wind and solar).
As for the USA, we’re truly blessed here in North America. We’re awash with oil, gas, and coal in our own territories, with the technical abilities for extraction and the market structures to enable production, making us completely energy independent. No other top-tier country can make that claim.
How would you like to be i Miami and the only transportation out is an electric car???
The Soviets always had another five year plan!!!
That is a perfect statement of how Marxism failed, only I would add that they lacked any understanding whatsoever of human nature, economics, and how those are intertwined.
More horsepucky. For decades the Chicoms have been developing their oil reserves all over the WORLD. From all over south African countries to the Caribbean and beyond the Chicoms pursue oil. They may eventually have more cars with the hybrid option, but not just electric.
Or worse yet, knowing China, *coal*.
"Grey is the new Green!" cry the Reds.
I’m at the point of concluding that the Chinese government are morons. They seem to be unable to think for themselves and instead latch onto every Western fad, and then take that fad to an unsustainable level.
We measure a country’s economy by GDP. So, what does China do? They game the numbers and (over) build empty cities. A high stock market looks good, so they overheat it. They encourage people to move from the country to the cities but without giving them the internal passport permission. And the (former) one child policy’s lingering effects. I don’t think the 21st century will be China’s century.
“For decades the Chicoms have been developing their oil reserves all over the WORLD.”
This is true, but relying on foreign sources for energy is inherently costly and unstable. The supply routes can be disrupted, leading to catastrophe; consider the problems of Germany and Japan in WWII.
I need to do a separate thread on this and I come at this as a Luddite that was not fond of the whole electrification of the drivetrain. Until I had some wheel time w/ a Plug-In hybrid ( smooth, quiet, addicting torque off the line ) I didn't get it. It will be the savior of General Aviation IMHO, however that is another thread
Now onto the battery....
I have been following this close lately. Their are about 15 players out their now that over the last year got about 1/2 a billion in funding. Some are claiming anywhere from 2X to 5X storage from where we are, and some dramatically cut charge times down. Some just reconfigure what we have and get us to 2X. My thought is some of the 15 will merge or sell their stuff to the others, such as Iconic's solid-state/plastic membrane to replace electrolytes, or the Swedish "Queen of Batteries" selling her locked up sourced of Graphite for the best Cathodes.
I think in less than 10 years electrics could be the norm, I can smell it, just like I told everyone the then Canidate Trump would take Michigan and win Nationally.
IMHO all the negotiations via Wilbereen, Muchin, etc to fix NAFTA or kill it, is a long game plan that no one sees.
Who is the biggest battery manufacture on the planet now ( unless the charts I saw were wrong )? China.
They become the E-Auto center of the world, MI, IN, OH ( and America ) will take a left hook that might be a knock out.
I think PDJT knows this is and is acting accordingly....
Communists have always owned personal property, even under the vilest communist regimes.
The cleavage point is not that you cannot own private property under communist regimes, it is that even though you think you own it, it can be taken from you for no reason whatsoever.
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