Posted on 11/23/2017 9:05:28 PM PST by BenLurkin
Concerns that Dolly the cloned sheep suffered from early-onset arthritis were unfounded, a study suggests.
In fact, wear-and-tear in her joints was similar to that of other sheep of her age, regardless of how they were conceived, say researchers.
Dolly, the first mammal cloned from an adult cell, made countless headlines during her lifetime.
She came under close scrutiny, due to fears that cloned animals might develop health problems or age prematurely. Researchers at the University of Nottingham, have re-examined her skeleton.
"We felt we needed to set the record straight - how bad was Dolly?'' said Prof Kevin Sinclair.
"It was very similar to what we saw in our own animals and other naturally conceived sheep.''
(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.com ...
England?
She had that government health care.
She was probably dead for three years before they could get a doc to see her.
It’s funny that we were talking about this very thing during thanksgiving dinner today. Dolly was a big deal back in the day, but you don’t hear people talking about cloning very much today.
Clemson just discover a new use for sheep.
Wool.
‘Dolly was a big deal back in the day, but you don’t hear people talking about cloning very much today.’
Apparently, you have never visited the Hillary Clinton Cloning Institute.
And there is no chance of improvement to the species.
The only place cloning makes any sort of sense is in lab rats when you want to run different tests on the same mouse.
As far as humans go, anyone who wants to have themselves cloned is exactly the sort of person we already have enough of.
Agree. “The only place cloning makes any sort of sense is in lab rats.”
There are probably 30,000 cloned animals on the earth. Thankfully, cloning men is impossible: too many variables.
IVF kids are results of numerous deceased embryos. I’ve met about six IVF kids, two messsed up and four brilliant, shy and caring.
Dolly has arthritis and BBC is not to be trusted about Dolly news.
The Lord is the creator of every human person at the moment of conception and the parents are His assistants. To think that the parents deserve more credit than the Lord for the conception of a child is just as silly as concluding that the president deserved more credit than the Lord for the health of a nation.
Thanksgiving. Time to give thanks to “the Lord and Divine Judge” for our “union and plenty”. 1789. George Washington, NY.
The question I raised back when Dolly was rapidly aging, “Where did the soul or consciousness come from that entered as s Dolly?”
It appears that the biological clock unfolds as consciousness ages and develops. At the same time the telomeres get shorter.
If a deceased animal’s soul entered the cloned animal, would the new animal manifest the symptoms the old one died from?
Animals don’t have souls.
Besides, a clone is basically a twin. When twin humans are formed they both have their own soul.
[[Dolly the sheep health fears ‘unfounded’]]
Oh well then, let’s just start cloning everyone- and just clone perfect little mini me’s that we can abort
A clone is a late born twin.
They would get their souls from the same place that everyone else gets their souls, from God.
The idea that clones would be denied a soul comes from the same people who thought that twins "shared" a soul, or that only one had a soul or that one twin was "evil".
Such superstitious twaddle should be slapped down hard.
Because once the idea that "they don't have souls" takes root you are only a step away from saying that people are property rather then people. That never ends well.
Such superstitious twaddle should be slapped down hard.
Besides a religious teaching; what do you base your opinion animals don’t have souls on.
Some of the best people I’ve ever known weren’t people at all; they were of course animals.
I bet Roy Rogers believed Trigger had a soul. I don’t want to get into some big argument about this but I am curious as to why some people believe animals don’t have souls. Is because we farm and eat them? Shoot them for sport? What?
Is it possible some do indeed rise to the level of intelligence and self awareness that proves they have a soul? Is it possible they have a kind of soul-light? In my humble opinion all dogs do indeed go to heaven. Is it possible they go to their own heaven or do they go to the heaven we do so we can be reunited? Maybe there’s a sort of doggie heaven where dogs can run, play, and be free rather than locked behind fences/gates and doors. Maybe some animal souls are different and the keep coming back until they are ready to move on. Of course this implies they can think that deeply which is an altogether other subject I suppose; or is it?
I realize no one here can possibly answer any of these questions so they are pretty much rhetorical. I just put them out there as food for thought more than anything else.
Outside of religious teaching there is generally no concept of the soul, although some people anthropomorphize animals, blurring the line between humans and animals, and of those people, the ones who believe in a soul believe animals have souls.
But Judaism and Christianity do not teach that animals have souls. Except, perhaps, those with rare outlier beliefs.
[fears that cloned animals might develop health problems or age prematurely]
So, how many people are eating cloned animals unawares?
[But Judaism and Christianity do not teach that animals have souls. Except, perhaps, those with rare outlier beliefs.]
Interesting article on the subject. FIDO might meet you at the pearly gates. :)
Do All Dogs Really Go to Heaven?
http://www1.cbn.com/700club/do-all-dogs-really-go-heaven
Okay, I’ll pile on. Dlo you know why Clemson wnt to Astroturf in their stadium? To keep the cheerleaders from grazing.
CC
Like I said; there’s no way to know one way or the other. The best anyone has on the subject is an opinion and one opinion is just as good or valid as another.
One person may believe animals have no soul and another may believe they do and still another may believe some of the higher level, more intelligent, animals do. It’s an unknowable thing right now.
Man can not create souls as they are the source of life itself.
Any thing living has a soul or it would not be living.
Just as my Father’s Mansion has many rooms, there are many levels of souls.
Two of my children have been employed by different major medical schools doing genetic engineering and cloning research. My youngest’s work was doing this to control the malaria virus.
My question is, “What is the epigenetic influence upon the differentiation of stem cells in our bodies and in the research lab?”
As a neuroscientist, I am most concerned with the interaction between the physical body and consciousness.
What exactly is the source of the energy that creates nerve action potentials beyond the simple chemistry, that when it separates from the body, a person is dead.
Most people don’t even think of all the questions, let alone seek answers.
And while the answer is God, science is the process of figuring out how God works.
There are no miracles, it’s just science that we do not understand currently.
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