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UFO Existence 'Proven Beyond Reasonable Doubt,' Says Former Head Of Pentagon Alien Program
Newsweek ^ | Lauren Gill

Posted on 12/24/2017 12:33:01 PM PST by RoosterRedux

Elizondo was not able to discuss specifics of the program, but told The Telegraph that there had been “lots” of UFO sightings and witnesses interviewed during the program’s five years.

Investigators pinpointed geographical “hot spots” that were sometimes near nuclear facilities and power plants and observed trends among the aircrafts including lack of flight surfaces on the objects and extreme manoeuvrability, Elizondo told The Telegraph.

"There was never any display of hostility but the way they manoeuvred, in ways no-one else in the world had, you have to be conscious something could happen,” he said.

Despite Pentagon funding running out in 2012, Elizondo oversaw UFO work for another five years before resigning in October 2017 out of frustration with the secrecy of the investigation. He had pushed for videos of the possible alien sightings to be made public so people could see the footage.

In his resignation letter to Defense Secretary Jim Mattis, he asked, “Why aren’t we spending more time and effort on this issue? There remains a vital need to ascertain capability and intent of these phenomena for the benefit of the armed forces and the nation."

Elizondo told The Telegraph he’d like to see someone prop up the probe again.

"I'd say bolster the programme. We want Nasa to find life on different planets, but we have highly educated pilots here and they're seeing something they can't understand."

(Excerpt) Read more at newsweek.com ...


TOPICS: Astronomy; Science; UFO's
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To: crz

If we recall correctly, the craft originated in human view from up around Kingman. And went to as far south as the Tucson region.


101 posted on 12/25/2017 9:45:23 PM PST by JockoManning (to cpy/paste if want: http://preview.tinyurl.com/Haiku-For-The-End-Times)
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To: JockoManning
When Scripture is concerned, a better rule to follow is to be silent when there is no revelation, and trust that God has revealed everything we need to contend for in this world.
102 posted on 12/25/2017 10:10:22 PM PST by Salvavida (The Missouri citizen's militia sends its regards.)
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To: Salvavida
We've said similar things on these threads.

We don't have a problem with folks making reasonable conjectures and inferences from Scripture. But to pretend those assumptions, conjectures, inferences are Gospel Absolute Truth is beyond silly and absurd.

It's more than a little arrogant--the kind that tends to come from insecurity due to RAD (Attachment Disorder).

Lots of people presume to put God in lots of intellectual boxes that they absolutely refuse to "let" Him out of.

He won't tolerate boxes--even those He ordered in the Old Testament--He still had exceptions here and there--e.g. David and troops eating the Shewbread without punishment.

Every word of The Bible is unalterably and unchangeably true. However, to presume that we know 100% to the nth degree what each and every word, phrase and sentence totally means--from God's perspecctive--is arrogant.

103 posted on 12/25/2017 10:23:06 PM PST by JockoManning (to cpy/paste if want: http://preview.tinyurl.com/Haiku-For-The-End-Times)
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To: JockoManning

That is true.


104 posted on 12/25/2017 11:14:25 PM PST by ravenwolf (If the Bible does not say it in plain wodsView Replies, please but did not tk`t preach it to me.)
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To: kingu

They are probably looking for intelligent life and wanting
to check out the ants as the only possibility.

he


105 posted on 12/25/2017 11:30:55 PM PST by ravenwolf (If the Bible does not say it in plain wodsView Replies, please but did not tk`t preach it to me.)
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To: RoosterRedux

lol.

I put Irish Whiskey into a half a glass of red wine by accident on Christmas Eve.

It actually ended up tasting pretty damn good :)

I actually ended up in NJ at my sisters where the Italians there think they’re WASPS and not WOPS :)


106 posted on 12/26/2017 7:55:16 AM PST by dp0622 (The Left should know that if Trump is kicked out of office, it is WAR!)
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To: kingu

I don’t know if there is other life out there or not
but I think we need to consider.
If
many of us who are alive today spent at least some time
In our young Lives looking at horses rears just going
to town even though they had been making Cars for year’s.and are still making them.

We have not been Exploring space even half that long and
they stopped for years.

The point is that space travel is so new that we have not
even started yet.

But the world could blow up and maybe we will never start.


107 posted on 12/26/2017 8:15:28 AM PST by ravenwolf (If the Bible does not say it in plain wodsView Replies, please but did not tk`t preach it to me.)
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To: JockoManning
God put Himself in a box. His Word.

If God wanted to suggest other intelligent lifeforms that would have some impact on his plan of redemption, He would have mentioned it.

As it stands, He is calling and gathering a people to Himself. That is the main theme of the Bible. Little green men running around and adding confusion does more harm to the Gospel than anything. Anything that does not testify to the glory of God through Jesus Christ is from the spirit of the anti-christ. And that is in the Bible, and in the correct context.

After all, how can one know if such manifestations doesn't come from the Prince of the Air, who we know exists to lead men astray? I'll stick to Scripture to interpret this world and the universe.

108 posted on 12/26/2017 9:11:38 AM PST by Salvavida (The Missouri citizen's militia sends its regards.)
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To: Salvavida
We are skeptical that we can have a meaningful dialogue with you because you seem to have some extremely narrow and rigid criteria about how to define and apprehend truth.

God is holy, He is NOT prissy.

God put Himself in a box. His Word.

Yes and no.

And you seem to have failed to appreciate how much in the Old Testament God kicked holes in some of the boxes HE had ordered. He insists on RELATIONSHIP. That is dynamic, fluid, a dance--not a straight-jacket in a coffin sort of box.

If God wanted to suggest other intelligent lifeforms that would have some impact on his plan of redemption, He would have mentioned it.

He did. He talked a fair amount about fallen angels. He talked about how horribly intolerable they were in terms of their values and their interactions with mankind.

He talked about some bits of how they would be involved in the End Times--e.g. at Armageddon ... and presumably also in the lying wonders satan would inflict from the heavens on earth in the end times.

As it stands, He is calling and gathering a people to Himself. That is the main theme of the Bible. Little green men running around and adding confusion does more harm to the Gospel than anything. Anything that does not testify to the glory of God through Jesus Christ is from the spirit of the anti-christ. And that is in the Bible, and in the correct context.

OF COURSE! That is satan's job. That is the job of his fallen angel co-horts. The Bible plainly says that satan is the author of confusion.

We are earnestly trying to wake up Believers to get several clues about some of the forms that confusion strategy is taking with the UFOs and fallen angel critters pretending to be ETs.

After all, how can one know if such manifestations doesn't come from the Prince of the Air, who we know exists to lead men astray? I'll stick to Scripture to interpret this world and the universe.

Uhhhhhh St Paul's letters in the New Testament speak to "how can one know." Holy Spirit discernment is crucial, vital--and all the more so as the end times races on toward Armageddon.

The oligarchy and the ET critters have been seeding deceptions for decades trashing the Deity of Christ; contradicting the historical Genesis record; trashing the Biblical miracles etc. etc. etc.

Yet, from where Qx and I sit and observe, there are millions of Believing Christians who mostly love Jesus as their Savior who are simply poorly prepared for the onslaught of such huge deceptions in these end times.

When the fallen angels start doing 'supernatural' things (e.g. the Bible says satan/they'll call fire down from heaven)--whether via technology or evil spiritual arts--too many Believing Christians will be jolted and their faith potentially may be far too vulnerable to remain standing strong in their faith.

e.g., the critters decades ago were said to have a holographic video 'disproving' the empty tomb' etc. etc. Too many Christians too ignorant of the Bible and too poor at critical thinking on seeing such, will too likely be too vulnerable to having their faith shaken. We want to do what we can to help minimize that.

Having a super high value on The Bible as the source of absolute truth is wonderful, crucial. That does NOT negate the need of being somewhat informed of what is going on in the world around us.

Being isolated monks praying deep in the mountains may have a lot of spiritual impact through their prayers. However, most Christians are called to live in the nitty gritty streets of daily life like most other people. They need to be informed and prepared about the times we live in and the major Biblical script outlining these days, years.

109 posted on 12/26/2017 11:07:19 AM PST by JockoManning (to cpy/paste if want: http://preview.tinyurl.com/Haiku-For-The-End-Times)
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To: JockoManning
You are much too wordy. Yeah, I get progressive revelation. But God did put Himself in a box in a sense He will not violate His word. And when He does make a change (dietary law for example), He states so. That is not a violation because the law isn't in effect. Mohammed on the other hand is a great example who will never be put in a box as a prophet of his god.

I don't know what prissy means in any biblical context.

I already said I believe the fallen angels (demons) to be responsible for manifestations that are being attributed as UFOs. I do NOT believe they are anything other than that, in as much as they cannot be explained by other phenomenon.

No one suggested being an isolated monk or .....whatever point you were trying to make. Beyond that, I don't get your point.

110 posted on 12/26/2017 11:45:43 AM PST by Salvavida (The Missouri citizen's militia sends its regards.)
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To: RoosterRedux
It appears that the force behind this story is the DOD (Luis Elizondo says nothing that hasn’t been approved by the DOD).

The question is, why? To get ahead of a leak about some secret airframe that employs exotic propulsion? An attempt to deflect news away from the deep state's part in the unravelling attempted coup against President Trump?

111 posted on 12/26/2017 12:10:04 PM PST by Sirius Lee (In God We Trust, In Trump We MAGA)
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To: Salvavida
God always entails and will entail a measure of mystery. It is His nature. It is inconceivable that ALL about God can be comprehended by a finite creature of His. He even says in His Word that His ways are beyond finding out.

Yet, He insists that we search out the truths of His ways in Scripture and follow them. There's no contradiction. Seeking out what He has revealed about His ways that He calls us to consciously walk is one thing.

Presuming that we can understand or even know 100% of all there is to know about God is nonsense.

True. God will not violate His Word. However, His understanding of what His Word means is different in quality and in comprehensiveness of our understanding of what His Word means.

David and his warriors entering the Tabernacle & eating the prohibited shewbread without punishment is one of the exceptions God allowed vis a vis 'His box.'

God is sovereign. He can do whatever He wants consistent with His Nature--and by implication--with His Word. However, we do not 100% understand and know 100% of everything about His Word or His Nature.

We believe that the whole counsel of the whole of Scripture indicates that God has a preference for both never changing and yet always being creative and often enough quite surprising.

He will never allow us to reduce our RELATIONSHIP with Him to a formula.

Reducing our relationship with Him to a formula = religion. Christ showed how God feels about religion when He repeatedly trashed the hyper-advocates of religion--the pharisees.

Man has a compulsion to reduce relationship to religion. We have a compulsion to try and be in !CONTROL! thereby. We quickly start trying to manipulate God by playing with the 'rules of religion.' God will never allow us anywhere close to that level of control in our relationship with Him.

God is obligated to fulfill His Word. However, in general, He does not allow us to put Him under some kind of manipulative obligation to us. He will always be Sovereign. He will always kick the sides out of such boxes.

Qx heard that msg in his spirit from Father God one day--"I am holy but not prissy." i.e. He can be very strictly very precise and holy in a lot of respects on a lot of variables. However, He is NOT per se petty. He doesn't get huffy or haughty or make some argumentative big deal out of something shallow and petty--particularly out of some kind of carnal pride. He does not strain at gnats and swallow camels. By definition, God is quite above all that.

The fallen angels pretending to be ETs will offer a huge amount of 'proof' that will be very convincing that they are citizens of distant planets with tangible high tech and very dramatic--virtually supernatural manifestations. A huge percentage of them will not appear to fill the role of demons in any detectable-by-most-mortals way. They will overtly appear to be authentic citizens of distant planets and will convince masses of people accordingly.

Some people--particularly those with a kind of prissy religiosity that act and sound like they have God in their little tidy predictable box--a lot of those sorts of Christians come across as though they are hermit monks highly isolated and with a very exclusive corner on God's Truth--and those who disagree with them are cast as beyond the pail--reprobates or at least ignorant and stupid.

They are very thin-skinned. They are very brittle and prickly and too easily haughty and huffy about the boundaries and precision of their 'uniquely holy and accurate' beliefs. They are like isolated monks in that their beliefs are more private interpretation sorts than authentically Spirit-led Biblical sorts of beliefs and perspectives.

Qx and I are keenly aware we do not have a corner on understanding much of anything. We believe we are above average in our awareness of UFOs and globalism--but so are thousands of other people. It is conceivable that God has shown us some unique things not broadly known but we doubt even that. We have met several people who know at least as much as we do. We are merely trying to fill the role God has cast us into as--in Qx's case--a watchman on the wall.

Qx once asked Alamo-Girl what she felt in her spirit that Qx's calling from The Lord was. She said she'd pray about it for a while and get back to him. When she did--she said he was a watchman on the wall. Qx felt she was accurate. The Lord had already made that clear to him.

So we just to fill the role we are cast into, by God's Grace, power and Spirit--covered in Christ's Blood and earnestly going about testifying to what God has declared in His word and shown us in our walk with Him.

Actually, Qx is a lot more wordy than I used to be. LOL. He has corrupted me a lot on that score whether I'm taking his 'dictation' or freewheeling the comments and posts.

112 posted on 12/26/2017 12:41:11 PM PST by JockoManning (to cpy/paste if want: http://preview.tinyurl.com/Haiku-For-The-End-Times)
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To: Sirius Lee
To begin more overtly an official level of disclosure of some of the realities (as well as a lot of disinformation) regarding the UFO phenomena.

This has long been predicted with many false starts. Many dozens of puzzle pieces--perhaps a few hundred--indicate that this is the real deal. We are off and running.

When things get going wholesale and most dramatically--daily life as we have known it will never be the same again.

113 posted on 12/26/2017 12:45:52 PM PST by JockoManning (to cpy/paste if want: http://preview.tinyurl.com/Haiku-For-The-End-Times)
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To: Sirius Lee
Excellent question.

The DOD is undergoing its first audit EVER. This is going to shed a lot of light on those secrets that have no business being hidden from the public.

They might be trying to get out front of that.

114 posted on 12/26/2017 12:51:24 PM PST by RoosterRedux
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To: RoosterRedux
I think Mark Taylor's book THE TRUMP PROPHECIES sheds some light on that question.

The oligarchy, satan, fallen angels et al are trying to rush the race to the Great Tribulation and Armageddon. God will not allow them to get ahead of HIS timeline on such things.

Nevertheless, times are a changin' in larger ways and faster than most folks realize.

115 posted on 12/26/2017 12:53:25 PM PST by JockoManning (to cpy/paste if want: http://preview.tinyurl.com/Haiku-For-The-End-Times)
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To: JockoManning

The one that I came across, or came across me, that night in 1979 in the Nevada desert while I was driving between Tonopah and Battle Mountain made all it’s maneuvers at right angles and high speeds, with what seemed to be dead stop on a dime prior to each turn.


116 posted on 12/26/2017 1:52:17 PM PST by shotgun
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To: shotgun
Interesting.

Did you have any subjective emotional feelings while sighting the craft?

117 posted on 12/26/2017 2:02:14 PM PST by JockoManning (to cpy/paste if want: http://preview.tinyurl.com/Haiku-For-The-End-Times)
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To: JockoManning
I don't know what a Qx is and I do not believe an any revelation that doesn't conform to Scripture. The Canon is sealed. That is NOT a minority opinion.

God didn't make an exception for David. The Law was intended to bring his people to Him in recognition they could not keep the law in the first place. That is how Jesus Christ fulfills the law for those that believe on him. There is a difference between stealing from God to feed one's gluttony, and eating to survive in order to serve God.

No one is reducing anything to a formula. God didn't put little green men running around the universe as tourists to drop by and wave at mankind. That is silly, inconceivable, and defies what God has revealed about Him through his Word.

But, if you want to believe that horse crap, go right ahead. I'll stand before Jesus with a clear conscience and testify I didn't go beyond what His Word clearly states. And I didn't add anything to it.

118 posted on 12/26/2017 2:03:48 PM PST by Salvavida (The Missouri citizen's militia sends its regards.)
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To: Salvavida
We are not adding the least tiny bit to God's Word either.

We revere God's Word exceedingly highly.

If you have God or His Word in a man-construed box per your assumptions, inferences, reading, thinking of it, be assured He will break out of it.

119 posted on 12/26/2017 2:08:36 PM PST by JockoManning (to cpy/paste if want: http://preview.tinyurl.com/Haiku-For-The-End-Times)
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To: JockoManning

Originally I just thought another car had caught up to me, but as I began to notice it in my rearview mirror, I realized it was not a car but just a bright massless orb of light. I was travelling with my parents and older brother who were all asleep and quickly woke them up. It seemed to be sitting about 1/4 mile behind me when it just accelerated right up to the rear of the car about 2 car lengths back. Then it shot straight up, then over the car, and then appeared directly in front of us, again about 2 car lengths from us. It seemed to sit there for a few seconds and then shot off to my left out in the desert, when it stopped again, and then shot straight up in to the night sky and it was gone. This was about midnight or so.


120 posted on 12/26/2017 2:14:14 PM PST by shotgun
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