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Even After 22 Trillion Digits, We’re Still No Closer To The End Of Pi
FiveThirtyEight ^ | March 14, 2018 | Oliver Roeder

Posted on 03/15/2018 2:50:28 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Depending on your philosophical views on time and calendars and so on, today is something like the 4.5 billionth Pi Day that Earth has witnessed. But that long history is nothing compared to the infinity of pi itself.

A refresher for those of you who have forgotten your seventh-grade math lessons1: Pi, or the Greek letter π

, is a mathematical constant equal to the ratio of a circle’s circumference to its diameter — C/d. It lurks in every circle, and equals approximately 3.14. (Hence Pi Day, which takes place on March 14, aka 3/14.)

But the simplicity of its definition belies pi’s status as the most fascinating, and most studied, number in the history of the world. While treating pi as equal to 3.14 is often good enough, the number really continues on forever, a seemingly random series of digits ambling infinitely outward and obeying no discernible pattern — 3.14159265358979…. That’s because it’s an irrational number, meaning that it cannot be represented by a fraction of two whole numbers (although approximations such as 22/7 can come close).

But that hasn’t stopped humanity from furiously chipping away at pi’s unending mountain of digits. We’ve been at it for millennia.

People have been interested in the number for basically as long we’ve understood math. The ancient Egyptians, according to a document that also happens to be the world’s oldest collection of math puzzles, knew that pi was something like 3.1. A millennium or so later, an estimate of pi showed up in the bible: The Old Testament, in 1 Kings, seems to imply that pi equals 3: “And he made a molten sea, ten cubits from the one brim to the other: it was round all about … and a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about.”

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TOPICS: Astronomy; Chit/Chat; Computers/Internet; History; Miscellaneous; Science; Society; Weird Stuff
KEYWORDS: 1kings; bible; calculations; computers; formulas; math; mathematicians; pi; scientists
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1 posted on 03/15/2018 2:50:28 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I say we round it to three. We’re already rounding it by an infinite number of digits, what’s a few more.


2 posted on 03/15/2018 2:52:37 AM PDT by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
One of my twins knows it to 51, won challenge at school yesterday. The other knows it to about mid-20s.

If you are calculating the circumference of a pizza, you don't need many digits. But try it with the circumference of an orbit, say of the International Space Station. The digits begin to really matter. I know it out to about 15 and much prefer simply using a calculator!

3 posted on 03/15/2018 2:56:08 AM PDT by Reno89519 (Americans Are Dreamers, Too! No to Amnesty, Yes to Catch-and-Deport, and Yes to E-Verify.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Is there some type of math function that would tell us Pi will repeat the pattern at some point down the road if we calculate it out far enough?
Or are we certain that the numbers will forever be random with no pattern ever?
4 posted on 03/15/2018 3:02:06 AM PDT by Psalm 73 ("I will now proceed to entangle the entire area".)
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To: P.O.E.

When I was young and I asked for help with my homework, my pappy said, “Son, pie are round and cornbread are square.” That’s pretty much all the math I’ve needed since.


5 posted on 03/15/2018 3:04:34 AM PDT by KingLudd
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To: Reno89519

Supposedly, if you know ok to thirty digits then you can measure a circle as big as the known universe.


6 posted on 03/15/2018 3:06:49 AM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: Psalm 73

Sounds like it’s gonna be random forever.


7 posted on 03/15/2018 3:07:52 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (The US Constitution ....... Invented by geniuses and God .... Administered by morons ......)
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To: KingLudd

What is the number “cornbread” equal to, and what is its symbol? :-D


8 posted on 03/15/2018 3:08:32 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (The US Constitution ....... Invented by geniuses and God .... Administered by morons ......)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

No, had they gone to 22 trillion and 2 digits they would have found out that it ends, but they gave up 2 digits early. Now we’ll never know.


9 posted on 03/15/2018 3:14:13 AM PDT by Sirius Lee (In God We Trust, In Trump We MAGA)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Even in Geometry there is no such thing as a perfect circle. If there was we’d have found the final decimal place for Pi by now. No matter how many points are used to define a circle at any radius, it will still have its corners at every point.


10 posted on 03/15/2018 3:15:10 AM PDT by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
A nice pre-technology method for determining the circumference of a circle of with diameter 1 is to take the average of its circumscribed and inscribed polygons. That's because pi is the ratio of a circle's circumference to its diameter. As the number of sides of those polygons increases, the average approaches pi.

Obviously, pi will never have an exact value. The number of sides of those polygons can increase without limit. I don't understand why it took all of these geniuses and all of that computer time to try to find an exact value for pi. Applying this process, it's a situation that can never exist. Thus, pi is irrational.

11 posted on 03/15/2018 3:24:06 AM PDT by grania (Deplorable and Proud of It!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

“People have been interested in the number for basically as long we’ve understood math.”

Not me. 3.14 is just fine as is. I have other things to do.


12 posted on 03/15/2018 3:26:47 AM PDT by Carriage Hill ( Life is simpler, when you plow around the stump.)
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To: Psalm 73

Ratio of whole number sized radius to infinitely fractioned circumference of circle.

Basically two different paradigm of measurement or coordinate system. One is cartesian square and the other speaks of angle and radius to define a position on a map. It is like two different units/methods of measurements which are converted using the number pi.

You also have logarithmic scales , square roots and many other sort of irrational numbers


13 posted on 03/15/2018 3:33:33 AM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucifiedc)
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To: Psalm 73
Proving Pi is Irrational: a step-by-step guide to a “simple proof” requiring only high school calculus
14 posted on 03/15/2018 3:38:57 AM PDT by rightwingcrazy
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Pi is so darn irrational!


15 posted on 03/15/2018 3:58:44 AM PDT by GingisK
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Since they know it’s infinite, why do they keep counting? And just who are counting, do they work in shifts?


16 posted on 03/15/2018 4:02:02 AM PDT by Hot Tabasco (My cat is not fat, she is just big boned........)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Good thing 4.20 day is only about a month away!


17 posted on 03/15/2018 4:06:56 AM PDT by Macoozie (Handcuffs and Orange Jumpsuits)
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To: Macoozie

Too early in the day to start on such a math project......

Have to get my coffee first. (Enjoy your challenge)


18 posted on 03/15/2018 4:32:55 AM PDT by DaveA37
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I never fully understood pie are squared thingy as all the pies I’ve ever laid eyes on have been round.


19 posted on 03/15/2018 4:36:46 AM PDT by redfreedom
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To: Psalm 73
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proof_that_π_is_irrational
20 posted on 03/15/2018 4:41:10 AM PDT by Darteaus94025 (Can't have a Liberal without a Lie)
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