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The Lie Factory on Education and Teacher Salaries
Market ticker ^ | 5/3/2018 | Karl Deninger

Posted on 05/03/2018 3:25:54 AM PDT by ImaGraftedBranch

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The math doesn’t lie. Homeschool.
1 posted on 05/03/2018 3:25:54 AM PDT by ImaGraftedBranch
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To: ImaGraftedBranch

Terrible article


2 posted on 05/03/2018 3:33:25 AM PDT by thirdgradeteacher
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To: metmom

Ping!


3 posted on 05/03/2018 3:37:28 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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Are they teachers or union members? There's a difference, you know.

Bagster

4 posted on 05/03/2018 3:37:28 AM PDT by bagster (Even pompous jackals love their mama.)
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To: ImaGraftedBranch

Salaries are less of a problem than pensions and health bennies.

Teachers, no matter how good, have become unaffordable.


5 posted on 05/03/2018 3:42:03 AM PDT by mewzilla (Has the FBI been spying on members of Congress?)
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To: ImaGraftedBranch

For later.


6 posted on 05/03/2018 3:43:03 AM PDT by lysie
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To: ImaGraftedBranch

I remember sitting in a 9th-grade math class in 1974, and the idiot teacher could not get formula-type algebra (basic stuff) across to the group. We were supposed to spend no more than three weeks on this chapter, and move on, with a big test. At the end four weeks, less than sixty percent of the group were grasping this. We wasted another two entire weeks on the subject, with only three-quarters of the group understanding this. The teacher just gave up, and skipped a chapter or two for something else.

The next year...different school....different book...different type teacher. We were simply handed the book, and advanced on our own speed. The book was well-designed and made sense. At the end of each chapter, we tested, and proceed on. The teacher was just there to answer one-on-one questions.

I put a great deal of the fault in the marginal skills upon poor math books and individuals who should never have been math teachers.

I watched a German documentary ten years ago...a baker trying to hire 15-year old apprentice kids. Like this guy mentioned....the baker had gone to two tests. One was about proportions and adding/subtracting. The other was a 10-question current events test. Out of fifteen kids who applied, and he could have hired five....he had only one kid with appropriate math skills (something you need as a baker), and that one kid marginally passed the current events test.

The whole system has turned into a failure...it’s just a baby-sitter service that hands out certificates.


7 posted on 05/03/2018 3:50:12 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: ImaGraftedBranch

Chicago, Chicago, that ‘codding’ town.


8 posted on 05/03/2018 3:50:28 AM PDT by wmileo
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The author’s two tests reminds me of requiring a standard company job application had to be completed by the applicant on site, no take homes IOW. The jobs were definitely blue-collar but still needed some level of literacy to understand work instructions and blueprints.


9 posted on 05/03/2018 3:50:44 AM PDT by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: ImaGraftedBranch

FACTS...can be such a horrible truth.


10 posted on 05/03/2018 3:53:02 AM PDT by harpu ( "...it's better to be hated for who you are than loved for someone you're not!")
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To: thirdgradeteacher
Terrible article

Why is it a terrible article? Does the truth hurt?

11 posted on 05/03/2018 3:53:10 AM PDT by 2nd amendment mama (Self Defense is a Basic Human Right!)
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To: bagster

My son is a High School History teacher. He admitted to me that while his Major in History served him well, a degree in education is worthless.


12 posted on 05/03/2018 3:54:10 AM PDT by wmileo
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>>The other was a 10-question current events test. Out of fifteen kids who applied, and he could have hired five....he had only one kid with appropriate math skills (something you need as a baker), and that one kid marginally passed the current events test.

I don’t know that anyone could pass a current events test these days.

I don’t watch the tv news (haven’t in over 10 years) and haven’t even watched anything on the national or local networks in that time either.

I don’t read any daily print edition newspaper. I may thumb through 2 copies of them in a year tops (waiting at someone’s home while visiting or at a doctor’s office).

I skim and read and reply on FR most days.

But the articles that make it to FR are not the headlines that I see pimped by MSN.com (default page on browsers at work so I see it “land” there numerous times on dozens of systems in a day) or by Facebook (what latest DNC spawned “outrage” headline they are pimping as trending).

Mix in a rejection of the myths and money of the man-made global warming scam, the rejection of the bad science of “we are all poly now”, and the rejection of the “Trump and his supporters are literally Hitler and man-in-the-clouds believing Pence is even worse!” news, I would probably fail most any “current events” test an employer would make me submit to.


13 posted on 05/03/2018 4:08:20 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Ads for Chappaquiddick warn of scenes of tobacco use. What about the hazards of drunk driving?)
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To: ImaGraftedBranch

I teach and my insurance costs $250 a month, just for me. If I were to include my family in my insurance plan it would be a little over $950 per month. I’ve never heard of teachers getting 100% free insurance. Would I like to be paid more? Of course. Who wouldn’t? I’m not protesting at the state capital though. We don’t unionize in my state either. so the notion that all teachers are beholden to the NEA is also false. For a site that is about individual liberty and responsibility a lot of people sure love to lump all teachers into on big group to be hated.


14 posted on 05/03/2018 4:15:25 AM PDT by gop4lyf (Gay marriage is neither. Democrats are the party of sore losers and pedophiles.)
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Who’s hating? Public unions are a menace. Either teachers are ignorant of this, in which case they’re too stupid to be teaching, or they’re on board with extorting taxpayers, in which case they deserve what they get.


15 posted on 05/03/2018 4:18:26 AM PDT by mewzilla (Has the FBI been spying on members of Congress?)
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First, let's not forget that teachers are paid for 12 months but work 9.

Actually ... no. They are paid for the months they work but that pay is distributed over 12 months. In Texas, they have the option to be paid only during the school year, but I don’t know any who choose that option.

16 posted on 05/03/2018 4:21:19 AM PDT by al_c (LIBERAL - Laughable Iconsiderate Blaming Entitled Ranting Anti-christian Loudmouth)
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I agree in that the unionized, do nothing, know nothing teachers with bennies out the wazoo are mostly in BLUE states; namely public schools.

My son has a math degree and teachers certification for the People’s Republic of NY. All the old teachers won’t leave as it is similar to congress critters. They can take unlimited sabbaticals and still expect their job to be there when the return.

My daughter in law teaches at a PRIVATE school and there is a world of difference!!


17 posted on 05/03/2018 4:21:47 AM PDT by AbolishCSEU (Amount of "child" support paid is inversely proportionate to mother's actual parenting of children)
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To: ImaGraftedBranch
180 days is 1,440 hours, not 2,000, or 72% of a standard work-year.

That’s assuming they work only an 8 hour day and no more. This doesn’t take into account the teacher work days (required) during many of the days through the year when students don’t go to school, evenings and weekends spent grading papers, summer workshops, after school tutoring (required), etc.

18 posted on 05/03/2018 4:25:11 AM PDT by al_c (LIBERAL - Laughable Iconsiderate Blaming Entitled Ranting Anti-christian Loudmouth)
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which, I remind you, typically comes with 100% health care coverage for the entire teacher's family, an expense that is nearly always over $10,000/year

ROFLOL!!! Benefits for Texas teachers are so horrible that my wife always denies it and we cover her under my employer’s plan.

19 posted on 05/03/2018 4:27:15 AM PDT by al_c (LIBERAL - Laughable Iconsiderate Blaming Entitled Ranting Anti-christian Loudmouth)
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In the teacher’s defense, I’m sure they would start teaching the kids with all the vigor and enthusiasm you would expect of teachers if we just paid them another $5,000 per year.


20 posted on 05/03/2018 4:30:01 AM PDT by Tai_Chung
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