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1 posted on 06/04/2018 10:42:02 AM PDT by C19fan
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What it indicates is that women think their
efforts are worth more than mens.


2 posted on 06/04/2018 10:44:37 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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Aeons ago, when I was a university Physics student ...

I worked a lot harder than some of my colleagues, but achieved lower grades.

That’s because they were smarter than me.

Duh.


3 posted on 06/04/2018 10:45:03 AM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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“indicates that women’s higher perceived effort levels are not rewarded.”

And how do you define “perceived effort levels?” Just because you put more time into it doesn’t mean the product is better than one who has a higher natural ability.


5 posted on 06/04/2018 10:48:42 AM PDT by kosciusko51
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This same thing happened to me in electromagnetics and semiconductor device theory ... I had to work twice as hard as a few others in the class since they were naturally good at that stuff and I wasn’t.

However, in higher level digital design and embedded system classes, I kicked ass while not working as hard while those same people that aced emag and semiconductors struggled.

I guess we were all women and didn’t know it.

Ironically, my first paid job as an engineer was integrated circuit design/layout ... a lot of that semiconductor stuff came in handy of course :-) .


6 posted on 06/04/2018 10:49:42 AM PDT by edh
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Profs say female STEM grades don’t reflect ‘perceived effort’

I wonder if the laws of physics, and the principles of engineering that derive from them, will pay any attention.

8 posted on 06/04/2018 10:50:23 AM PDT by Steely Tom ([Seth Rich] == [the Democrat's John Dean])
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Orwellian speak this b.


9 posted on 06/04/2018 10:50:58 AM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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I've worked in an engineering discipline for more than 25 years. What makes my work (civil engineering) different than many other engineering disciplines is that CEs generally require professional licensure for much of their work. You can design a car for Toyota or a microprocessor for Intel without a professional license, but you can't sign and seal a design drawing without one.

In my field, the real differences between male and female engineers doesn't show up in engineering school, but in the licensing exams. There are plenty of good civil engineers who happen to be women. But I have come across far too many cases where women are pushed into an engineering curriculum as part of a "diversity" initiative ... only to find themselves in a position 5-10 years later where they are unable to pass the licensing exams.

12 posted on 06/04/2018 10:53:10 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I saw a werewolf drinking a pina colada at Trader Vic's.")
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So, women have to work hard and that ought to count.

I'm sure that the female engineers who designed the collapsed bridge in Florida worked hard too.

The families of those who were killed by their incompetence will be relieved to know "They tried really, really hard" to get it right.

I shudder to think of what the world will look like in a generation. The laws of Physics are not, and will never be, politically correct.

13 posted on 06/04/2018 10:55:49 AM PDT by wbill
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Higher effort should be rewarded? In science and engineering? The right answer is the right answer, regardless of how hard one worked to get it. REALITY does not bend to political correctness.

This civilization is headed for a deep, dark age.

17 posted on 06/04/2018 11:02:40 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Enjoy the decline of the American empire.)
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“perceived effort”

perhaps the key words here are “perceived” ?

“”perceived” is not the same as ‘real’

It is “”perceived” by libtards that ‘diversity’ delivers equivalent merit to actual effective merit.

Just because you think you are better and worked upto your limitations does NOT make you BETTER than those with actual higher abilities.

Just more affirmative action trash that made being black a leftist endorsement for obama being president-worthy.


18 posted on 06/04/2018 11:03:20 AM PDT by elbook
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They need to wear a one size smaller lab jacket.

Remember the old Sci-Fi flics from the 50’s? There was always a babe in a lab jacket.


20 posted on 06/04/2018 11:03:55 AM PDT by JohnnyP (Thinking is hard work (I stole that from Rush).)
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Effort = grade is like Marx’s erroneous labor = value. It ain’t so.

Then, you add in that we’re talking about feelz as the measure of effort and the whole issue is bogus.


24 posted on 06/04/2018 11:09:53 AM PDT by Paine in the Neck ( Socialism consumes EVERYTHING!)
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It’s all about feelings and effort, not outcomes.


27 posted on 06/04/2018 11:11:37 AM PDT by Moonman62 (Give a man a fish and he'll be a Democrat. Teach a man to fish and he'll be a responsible citizen.)
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Thinking they should get rewarded for effort proves they shouldn’t be in STEM in the first place.

I think I tried that line on my fifth grade teacher and was completely rebuked and nearly scolded. Learned my lesson early.


28 posted on 06/04/2018 11:12:39 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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Why is it that the best male chess players are much better than the best female players?


30 posted on 06/04/2018 11:13:11 AM PDT by Moonman62 (Give a man a fish and he'll be a Democrat. Teach a man to fish and he'll be a responsible citizen.)
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As a competitive cyclist, I am familiar with the concept of “perceived effort.” I can tell you that my perception of the last 10k of a 40k time trial is that I’m laying down the same wattage I was in the beginning. But a quick glance at the power meter shows it’s 25 to 50 percent less.

Perceived effort is worthless as a measure of ACTUAL effort.


37 posted on 06/04/2018 11:27:30 AM PDT by IronJack (A)
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Your heart doctor has got a “perceived effort” diploma from the School of Perceived Efforts. Are you ready for your open heart surgery now?


39 posted on 06/04/2018 11:27:44 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (#NotARussianBot)
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If one works harder but accomplishes less, there’s only one reasonable conclusion. That is that there are women accepted into the programs that have less qualifications, aptitudes and/or sincere interest in the topics at hand.


41 posted on 06/04/2018 11:31:10 AM PDT by grania (President Trump, stop believing the Masters of War!)
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43 posted on 06/04/2018 11:43:34 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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But hey, they gave a lot of "effort".
44 posted on 06/04/2018 11:47:03 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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