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Your IQ Matters Less Than You Think
Nautilus ^ | 4 Oct, 2018 | Dean Keith Simonton

Posted on 10/05/2018 9:48:18 PM PDT by MtnClimber

People too often forget that IQ tests haven’t been around that long. Indeed, such psychological measures are only about a century old. Early versions appeared in France with the work of Alfred Binet and Theodore Simon in 1905. However, these tests didn’t become associated with genius until the measure moved from the Sorbonne in Paris to Stanford University in Northern California. There Professor Lewis M. Terman had it translated from French into English, and then standardized on sufficient numbers of children, to create what became known as the Stanford-Binet Intelligence Scale....

The result was a group of 1,528 extremely bright boys and girls who averaged around 11 years old. And to say they were “bright” is a very big understatement. Their average IQ was 151, with 77 claiming IQs between 177 and 200....…

The story goes from bad to worse. Of the many rejects—the children with tested IQs not high enough to make it into the Terman sample—at least two attained higher levels of acclaim than those who had the “test smarts” to become Termites. Here are their stories: Luis Walter (Luie) Alvarez was born in San Francisco, just up the peninsula from Stanford. He was around 10 years old when he took Terman’s test but scored too low to enter the sample. The story goes from bad to worse. Of the many rejects—the children with tested IQs not high enough to make it into the Terman sample—at least two attained higher levels of acclaim than those who had the “test smarts” to become Termites. Here are their stories: Luis Walter (Luie) Alvarez was born in San Francisco, just up the peninsula from Stanford. He was around 10 years old when he took Terman’s test but scored too low to enter the sample.

(Excerpt) Read more at nautil.us ...


TOPICS: Education; Science
KEYWORDS: bellcurve; intelligence; success
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To: Fightin Whitey

It was the first reference that came up.

But “we” are right.

Would you say, “A helping of food” or “an helping of food.”

It’s all about the hard h.


141 posted on 10/06/2018 9:42:27 AM PDT by Vermont Lt
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To: Kay Ludlow

What I find so remarkable, Kay, is that whereas I find my liberal friends have “different opinions,” they find me - now that I am a Republican - “stupid.”

These are the same folks who thought me brilliant in college and who hung on my every word...

I am, after all, quite convinced that the lefties are the most closed-minded people on Earth.

A group of people who feel destined to rule...


142 posted on 10/06/2018 9:50:24 AM PDT by golux
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To: Vermont Lt

Quote from:

A review, by Richard Langworth, Senior Fellow, Hillsdale College, Churchill Project, Writer & Historian, of Charles Krauthammers's book, "Desert Island Books".

Charles Krauthammer’s Things That Mat­ter: Three Decades of Pas­sions, Pas­times and Pol­i­tics (388 pages, Crown Forum, 2013). In remem­ber­ing Dr. Krautham­mer, I said this book was one of a score I’d take with me if con­fined to a desert island. Here’s why.

The read­er will ask: why am I plug­ging to a Churchill audi­ence a set of essays by a polit­i­cal colum­nist? Answer: because many are not polit­i­cal, yet reflect Churchillian thought. More­over, Dr. Krauthammer’s essay about Churchill is one of the best sum­maries of the man I’ve ever read. By any­body. Any­where.

Sig­nif­i­cant­ly, in a book of over near­ly nine­ty columns and essays, the Churchill arti­cle ranks second—in Part I (enti­tled “Personal”)—after a piece on the author’s beloved broth­er, Mar­cel, who also died young after an hero­ic strug­gle. Churchill was a very per­son­al top­ic of Charles Krauthammer’s. He fre­quent­ly quot­ed Sir Win­ston, always accu­rate­ly.

End Quote

I am aware that usage changes.

I tend to hold to the tried and true ways as long as practical.

I tend to emulate those who lead by expert example.

I much prefer the prose company of Richard Langworth, Charles Krauthammer, and Winston Churchill.

But you are indeed very well matched with Grammar Girl, almost as in an heartfelt way.

Oh, one more thing. The original post was a jest, a joke.

As are you.

143 posted on 10/06/2018 11:04:54 AM PDT by Fightin Whitey
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To: Fightin Whitey

Ah...a joke.

I just figured you were ignorant.

Sorry. My mistake.

(PS the phonetics of your example actually prove my point. )


144 posted on 10/06/2018 11:22:24 AM PDT by Vermont Lt
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To: golux

They are being told they are smart, we are stupid. I remember working in a bookstore back in the early 80’s. I had noticed the new books were mostly pretty liberal. One day the bookbuyer had a salesman in, and since we worked in the same office I heard some of the discussion.

The salesmen said he’s heard that some people wonder if any conservatives write books. He looked at the buyer and said Of Course Not, pause, conservatives can’t read!!! HAHAHAHAHAHA. I found that so offensive, as a conservative. Soon after I got a better work opportunity and left, never looking back.

Obviously the Publishers and their salespeople decided conservative ideas were so stupid they didn’t deserve to have books they might agree with.

After I left I watched the rise of new publishing houses, then amazon, and the explosion of great books by and for conservatives. The old publishers failed in the quest to snuff out conservative knowledge. Not nearly as smart as they thought they were, eh?


145 posted on 10/06/2018 11:30:57 AM PDT by Kay Ludlow (Government actions ALWAYS have unintended consequences.)
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To: bytesmith

You were certainly blessed!


146 posted on 10/06/2018 12:35:54 PM PDT by Maudeen (http://ThereIsHopeinJesus.com/)
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To: jcon40

#12 I am afraid I am Smart and lazy...
I hate tests. Anytime I have a form to fill out I need to 2 as I screw up the 1st one such as First name______ Last name______
I almost always put my whole name in First name______ field.

I blame the form myself, yeah that’s the ticket. Not my fault at all.
I am still smurt.


147 posted on 10/06/2018 5:46:11 PM PDT by minnesota_bound
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To: MtnClimber

#13 Easy test for “I think that high IQ with high common sense (which I don’t know of a test for) combine for success.”

Vote conservative!


148 posted on 10/06/2018 5:47:39 PM PDT by minnesota_bound
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To: Mouton

Absolutely!


149 posted on 10/06/2018 6:56:08 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Mouton

Absolutely!


150 posted on 10/06/2018 6:56:08 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Innovative
IQ does matter, but so does hard work and common sense.

Glad you br ought that up, innovative. My son is a genius, but consistently fails at work because he feels so superior, he just can't fit in...and other reasons, of course.

OTOH, I am just short of gifted, but I have high social skills and KNOW HOW TO DRESS. I always got wonderful jobs that I wasn't really qualified for. Learned on the job, got better as I went along. My genius son is still trying to find himself in the real world.

My daughter, OTOH, is not even close to genius level, but is persistent, a very hard worker, and makes more money than anyone in the family.

So THERE

151 posted on 10/06/2018 7:09:43 PM PDT by Veto! (Political Correctness Offends Me)
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To: MtnClimber

My catholic HS placed us in classes at four levels. The first level had the highest IQ and so on. I was 127 and was in the highest group. There was one guy in our groups who must have been off the chart. BTW never had my IQ tested again.

I was the youngest in class and didn’t know that till a reunion. I refer felt less smart than anyone except the one guy.

I value experience. As I went along in my 28 year career, i found at any level (I had 23 jobs progressively analytical and management not hands on, but needed people skills) I was soon better than my bosses. But i also had extra training. I did consulting work in 15 states and one day into their systems nd work sites I could deliver training with relevant examples etc.

I think success is a result of a lot of variables including IQ, but common sense and experience would be a little higher on my list because they lead to intuition which can be more on target than not.

My 25 cents worth


152 posted on 10/06/2018 7:17:44 PM PDT by morphing libertarian (Use Comey's Report; Indict Hillary now. --- Proud Smelly Walmart Deplorable)
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To: morphing libertarian

I NEVER felt less smart


153 posted on 10/06/2018 7:19:33 PM PDT by morphing libertarian (Use Comey's Report; Indict Hillary now. --- Proud Smelly Walmart Deplorable)
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To: Kay Ludlow

Yes. The fire of freedom is hard to extinguish.
There was a prominent sign today, in front of the Supreme court.
It said:
LINDSEY GRAHAM NEEDS TO SHUT UP.
That says it all.
Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot... It says it all.


154 posted on 10/06/2018 8:11:08 PM PDT by golux
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To: morphing libertarian

I agree that IQ plus intelligence is important. But ,I also agree with your observation that experience is important. I agree because it focuses your common sense. It is very important and is why most politicians make such stupid decisions, most have no real-world experience.


155 posted on 10/06/2018 8:54:40 PM PDT by MtnClimber (For photos of Colorado scenery and wildlife, click on my screen name for my FR home page.)
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To: minnesota_bound

We have much in common cept mine is smart but not very lucky


156 posted on 10/06/2018 9:40:51 PM PDT by jcon40 (The other post before yours really nails it for me. I have been a DOithS / PC guy forever and alway)
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To: MtnClimber

And that problem increases the more they stay in DC


157 posted on 10/07/2018 9:44:39 AM PDT by morphing libertarian (Use Comey's Report; Indict Hillary now. --- Proud Smelly Walmart Deplorable)
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To: dfwgator
I had not heard of Julius Sumner Miller.

He reminds me of a summer school teacher I had in sixth grade. He was a real scientist, probably with a PhD, employed by a well-known local research lab. He wanted to teach science to kids, so we wound up with him. At the time I thought he was wasting his time on us -- we were just kids, we didn't need his level of understanding. Any old science teacher would have done. The thing is, I still remember much of the stuff he taught us. His "experiments" were fascinating, and his enthusiasm was infectious.

158 posted on 10/07/2018 4:17:32 PM PDT by TChad
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To: golux

"What I find so remarkable, Kay, is that whereas I find my liberal friends have “different opinions,” they find me - now that I am a Republican - “stupid.”

Actually, dear Golux, this will prove to be a valuable asset. Using the "cover" of stupid, YOU will come out the winner. Consider all of the "stupid" people in history who were victorious.

I have, after living 68 years, discovered that "stupid" will, in time, reap a far more satisfying reward.

Try not to gloat too much when it does.

159 posted on 10/08/2018 7:00:46 AM PDT by scottiemom (As a retired Texas public school teacher, I highly recommend private school.)
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To: CodeToad

There is no “Nobel committee” in terms of the Science prizes. They are given by scientists and they are not political. Look over a list of the Physics prizes for example.


160 posted on 10/12/2018 9:12:41 PM PDT by Borges
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