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Move CVN65 [USS Enterprise] to reserve fleet in lieu of spending $1.55 billion to scrapping it
Various | 9-Oct-2018 | Vanity with sources

Posted on 10/09/2018 10:16:24 AM PDT by topher

Maybe this is a 'Hail Mary', but something that one must try to save $1.55 billion and have a CVN (USS Enterprise) in our reserve fleet.

On account of our previous president, the US Navy is in bad shape.

Take for example the collisions that happened early in the Trump Administration due to the [what I believe was] LAX of discipline under Obama.

This is of course the collisions that happened with the USS John S McCain and the USS Fitzgerald.

If you don't remember, then refresh your memory:

Freerepublic: Former commander of USS John S McCain pleads guilty, retires after deadly collision
Fox News: Former commander of USS John S McCain pleads guilty, retires after deadly collision

Freerepublic: USS Fitzgerald Combat Team Unaware of Approaching Merchant Ship Until Seconds Before Fatal Collision
US Naval Institute Proceeding: USS Fitzgerald Combat Team Unaware of Approaching Merchant Ship Until Seconds Before Fatal Collision

But to the matter at hand. Popular Mechanics wrote about the trouble the US Navy is having scrapping this ship and it is going to be very costly.

Articles on the Internet:

Freerepublic: The U.S. Navy Is Having a Hell of a Time Dismantling the USS Enterprise
Popular Mechanics: The U.S. Navy Is Having a Hell of a Time Dismantling the USS Enterprise

Additionally has headaches with it 'cruisers'. Saving $1.55 billion might help the US Navy out.

Freerepublic: The Navy Is Set to Retire Half of Its Biggest Surface Combatants—With No Replacement in Sight
Popular Mechanics: The Navy Is Set to Retire Half of Its Biggest Surface Combatants—With No Replacement in Sight

Prior to President Obama being in office, we had CV aircraft carriers in the reserve fleet, aka 'mothball' fleet. CV carriers are the 'big deck carriers' and post World War II, they started to be over 1000 feet long.

In World War II, when America was Great, we had over 6000 ships in the US Navy. After the war, a number of these were put in 'mothballs', or to the reserve fleet.

In the Clint Eastwood movie 'Magnum Force', the motorcycle chase was on one of these ships. I am fairly sure it was a small carrier from World War II. I believe it was a 'CVE' - Carrier Escort.

Why should we flush $1.55 billion down the toilet? - Just because our previous president was 'wasteful'.

How to scrap a Nuclear Carrier could be studied at Universities and the US Navy's academic arm (US Naval Institute).

Until we know how, move that ship to the reserve fleet.

With things in the world the way they are, one of our big deck carriers might get 'dinged' or we might need to put together another carrier task force.


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I am trying to give this issue 'visibility'. I have written both of my senators and my congressman. And I have written the White House. But the nomination of Justice Kavanaugh has hurt America that issues like this might lost in the 'noise'.

I feel what Obama did was stupid. President Trump has had to deal with a number of messes. I sometimes refer to Obama as 'Obama-mess', but I feel he had earned that title.

As far as I am concerning wasting over a billion dollars in tax money is a 'worthy news item' to address.

I would hope the White House would read this article. I would hope the CNO and US Navy Secretary would have 'visibility' of these.

This is part of 'Making America Great Again': having more ships to defend the United States and giving our Armed Forces the tools they need.

1 posted on 10/09/2018 10:16:24 AM PDT by topher
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To: topher

Have we ever had to scrap a CVN?

Big E is the first right?

So how do you keep a nuclear ship in reserve? They scrapped all the Long Beach class.


2 posted on 10/09/2018 10:19:05 AM PDT by PittsburghAfterDark (The American media: We do what the Soviet media did without the guns to our head.)
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To: topher

I know the current Big E is decommissioned and the next one is due to be launched in 2025?
so your idea makes sense
Unless the cost of keeping it operational is just too prohibitive


3 posted on 10/09/2018 10:19:29 AM PDT by RWGinger (Does anyone else really)
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To: topher
An example of something 'clouded' by another historical event is the 'famous' escapade of Corporal Alvin York.

It was lost in the news because that was at the time in World War I that the 'Lost Battalion' was found.

Corporal Alvin York later was promoted to Sargent and was awarded the 'Congressional Medal Honor'.

In my opinion, it was not in God's plan for Alvin to receive publicity so soon...

4 posted on 10/09/2018 10:20:26 AM PDT by topher (America, please Do The Right Thing!)
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To: topher

BTW - a lot of good Navy stuff has traditionally been posted by Jeff Head, but I see his last post was March 2018 — did we lose Jeff? He’s not on the Memorial Wall.


5 posted on 10/09/2018 10:21:21 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The MSM is in the business of creating a fake version of reality for political reasons.)
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To: topher

I’m sure that scrapping it is cheaper than running it. This is a nuke boat, after all.


6 posted on 10/09/2018 10:21:34 AM PDT by dinodino
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To: topher

I guess the question would be how much would it cost to refurbish/maintain the USS Enterprise over the expected lifetime of the ship (in reserve) versus what it would cost to scrap it.

Another option might be to sell it to an ally, though our CVN’s are expensive to maintain and the power plant probably needs repairs.

Cost analysis is the best option at this point; has the Navy already done one?


7 posted on 10/09/2018 10:21:41 AM PDT by SleeperCatcher
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To: RWGinger

>>I know the current Big E is decommissioned and the next one is due to be launched in 2025?
so your idea makes sense
Unless the cost of keeping it operational is just too prohibitive<<

I was told by people here at FR who know these things that Big E had to be scrapped because the nuclear facility is integrated into the hull and to remove the nuke makes her unable to float.

Did I misunderstand?


8 posted on 10/09/2018 10:22:15 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (Always believe women except: clinton rape, ellison assault, booker groping, ted kennedy murder)
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To: topher

$1.55 billion to scrap it?????

Use it for torpedo practice over a deep part of the ocean.


9 posted on 10/09/2018 10:23:14 AM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: topher

Enterprise has been defueled and they have already removed steel to be used in the new Ford Class Enterprise.


10 posted on 10/09/2018 10:23:35 AM PDT by Snickering Hound
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To: PittsburghAfterDark
Okay.

Good question!

My Answer: Lawerence Livermore Labs in conjunction with the US Navy will keep it in reserve and safe'.

It could also be used as a 'nuclear training center/ship' for the US Navy.

11 posted on 10/09/2018 10:25:57 AM PDT by topher (America, please Do The Right Thing!)
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To: ClearCase_guy

I think Jeff has had serious health issues. I don’t know his situation now but God be with him.


12 posted on 10/09/2018 10:27:53 AM PDT by laplata (The Left/Progressives have diseased minds.)
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To: SleeperCatcher

“Cost analysis is the best option at this point; has the Navy already done one?”

I’m assuming the issue is how to safely process and dispose the nuclear power plants? Haven’t we already done this with some nuclear subs?


14 posted on 10/09/2018 10:29:41 AM PDT by snoringbear (W,E.oGovernment is the Pimp,)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Jeff posted that he was terminal. I would hope someone would let us now us know if he passed.


15 posted on 10/09/2018 10:33:31 AM PDT by MileHi (Liberalism is an ideology of parasites, hypocrites, grievance mongers, victims, and control freaks.)
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To: topher

Well, how much you want to spend to keep the Big E in in good reserve shape? I imagine it has need of being refueled. That’s 8 reactors. Not a trivial, or inexpensive proposition. And can reactors be shut down cold, and then mothballed?

Are you going to update radars, comms, and other electronic systems to keep them up to date?

More CVNs are due to retire soon. Best learn how to decommission them.


16 posted on 10/09/2018 10:33:45 AM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: topher

Decommissioning and replacement was scheduled way back in the 1990s, time to let her go.


17 posted on 10/09/2018 10:36:54 AM PDT by chemical_boy
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To: topher

Whatever happens to her, I will never forget leaning on the port side 02 level rail of the 1943 tin can I called home for a couple of years on a perfect Sunday afternoon in the flat-as-glass Tonkin Gulf as the Enterprise made a top-end run to the east. My ship was off the Big E’s starboard side, the closest escort. The escorts were steaming maybe 20 knots and the Enterprise was close to the western horizon when the steam started pouring out of her stacks. In a few minutes she blew past us with a rooster tail as high as her flight deck and a wake that put us on a 20* roll. Shortly thereafter she disappeared into the eastern horizon. My buddy on the surface radar in CIC called down to me when I had gotten back to the radio shack and said that our surface radar was unable to track any contact moving over 65 knots and that 65 passed that velocity before the horizon. That’s some heavy truckin’, kiddies.


18 posted on 10/09/2018 10:44:46 AM PDT by VietVet876
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To: PittsburghAfterDark

There was only one Long Beach


19 posted on 10/09/2018 10:53:28 AM PDT by Steely eyed killer of the deep (When in the course of human events...)
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20 posted on 10/09/2018 10:57:51 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (and btw -- https://www.gofundme.com/for-rotator-cuff-repair-surgery)
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