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Not all the Earth’s Water Came From Comets
Universe Today ^ | 11/9/18 | Evan Gough

Posted on 11/10/2018 10:32:24 AM PST by LibWhacker

Not all the Earth’s Water Came From Comets

We have comets and asteroids to thank for Earth’s water, according to the most widely-held theory among scientists. But it’s not that cut-and-dried. It’s still a bit of a mystery, and a new study suggests that not all of Earth’s water was delivered to our planet that way.

Hydrogen is the most abundant element in the universe, and it’s at the center of the question surrounding Earth’s water. This new study was co-led by Peter Buseck, Regents’ Professor in the School of Earth and Space Exploration and School of Molecular Sciences at Arizona State University. In it, the authors suggest that the hydrogen came, at least partially, from the solar nebula, a cloud of gas and dust left over after the Sun formed.

Before we dig in to the details in this new study, it’s helpful to look at the long-held theory that it may replace.

Earth’s Water: The Widely-Held Theory

For a long time, most scientists believed the water-from-comets-and asteroids version of water’s origin here on Earth. It all starts with the formation of the Sun.

When the Sun formed out of a molecular cloud, it swept up most of the material in the cloud, leaving a little left over for everything else: planets, asteroids, and comets. Once the Sun burst into life with fusion, a powerful solar wind sent a lot of hydrogen from its outer layers out beyond where the inner rocky planets—Mercury, Venus, Earth, and Mars—are today.

This is the realm of the gas giants, and more importantly, comets and asteroids. Comets are icy, rocky bodies, thought to contain significant amounts of the hydrogen blown out there by the early Sun, and asteroids too, although to a lesser extent. They became a significant reservoir for hydrogen.

An artist’s conception of the dust and gas surrounding a newly formed planetary system. Somewhere in there is Earth's water. Credit: NASAAn artist’s conception of the dust and gas surrounding a newly formed planetary system. Somewhere in there is Earth’s water. Credit: NASA

When Earth formed, it was a molten ball, its surface kept in that state by repeated collision with asteroids. So far, so good, since the early Solar System was a much more chaotic place than it is now. As asteroids and comets struck this hot Earth, the water and the hydrogen in it were boiled off into space. As the Earth cooled over time, water from comet and asteroid collisions was allowed to condense on Earth, and not be boiled off into space. The water stuck around.

The evidence for this lies in isotope ratios. The ratio of the heavy hydrogen isotope deuterium to normal hydrogen is a chemical signature. Two bodies of water with the same ratio must have the same origin, the thinking goes. And Earth’s oceans have the same ratio as water on asteroids.

That’s a very simplified version of the widely-held theory of how water got to Earth.

Earth’s Water: A Leaky Theory With Holes In It

But scientists are malcontents, always trying to have a better, more thorough understanding of things. They were questioning the “water from comets” theory before this newest study came out.

Back in 2014, some scientists studied the issue by looking at meteorites of different ages. (Meteorites are just asteroids that have struck Earth.) First they looked at what are known as ‘carbonaceous chondrite meteorites’. They’re the oldest ones we know of, and they formed about the same time as the Sun did. They’re the primary building blocks of Earth.

Next, they studied meteorites that we think originated from the large asteroid Vesta. Vesta formed in the same region as Earth, about 14 million years after the solar system was born. According to this 2014 study, the ancient meteorites resembled the bulk Solar System composition and have a lot of water in them, so they’ve been widely considered to be the source of Earth’s water.

The asteroid Vesta, courtesy of NASA's Dawn spacecraft. Meteorites ejected from Vesta may have helped form Earth's water. Credit: NASA/JPL-Caltech/UCAL/MPS/DLR/IDA The asteroid Vesta, courtesy of NASA’s Dawn spacecraft. Meteorites ejected from Vesta may have helped form Earth’s water. Credit: NASA/JPL-Caltech/UCAL/MPS/DLR/IDA

The measurements in this 2014 study showed that these meteorites have the same chemistry as the carbonaceous chondrites and rocks found on Earth. They concluded that carbonaceous chondrites are the most likely common source of water. At the time, Horst Marschall, one of the authors of the study, said, “The study shows that Earth’s water most likely accreted at the same time as the rock. The planet formed as a wet planet with water on the surface.” The team behind that study acknowledged that some of our water did come from impacts.

Which brings us to this new study, which reinforces the conclusions from the 2014 study.

Earth’s Water: All About The Hydrogen

The authors of this new study say that the oceans and their isotope ratios may not tell the whole story. “It’s a bit of a blind spot in the community,” said Steven Desch, a professor of astrophysics in the School of Earth and Space Exploration at Arizona State University in Tempe, Arizona. “When people measure the [deuterium-to-hydrogen] ratio in ocean water and they see that it is pretty close to what we see in asteroids, it was always easy to believe it all came from asteroids.” It’s hard to blame them; it’s a pretty compelling piece of evidence.

“It’s a bit of a blind spot in the community.” – Steven Desch, School of Earth and Space Exploration, ASU.

Desch and the other authors of this new study point to research published in 2015 showing that the Earth’s oceans may not be representative of Earth’s primordial water. The oceans may have cycled between the surface and a deeper reservoir of water, deep in the Earth. This may have changed the ratio over time, and it may mean that this deeper water represents at least some of Earth’s true primordial water. And that water may have come directly from the solar nebula, rather than through comet and asteroid impacts.A hydrogen atom is made up of one proton and one electron, but its heavy form, called deuterium, also contains a neutron.  Credit: NASA/GFSCA hydrogen atom is made up of one proton and one electron, but its heavy form, called deuterium, also contains a neutron. Credit: NASA/GFSC

The study develops a new theoretical model of Earth’s formation to explain these differences between hydrogen in Earth’s oceans and at the core-mantle boundary.

This new model shows large water-logged asteroids formed into planets billions of years ago in the solar nebula swirling around the Sun. These planetary embryos suffered sequential collision and they grew quickly. Eventually, they say, a powerful enough collision melted the surface of the largest embryo into an ocean of magma. This largest embryo became Earth.

This large embryo had enough gravity to hold onto an atmosphere, and it attracted gases, including hydrogen, the most abundant one, from the solar nebula to form one. The hydrogen in the solar nebula contained less deuterium and is lighter than asteroidal hydrogen. It dissolved into the molten iron of the magma ocean on Earth.

The hydrogen was pulled to the center of the Earth by a process called isotopic fractionation. Hydrogen is attracted to iron and was delivered the Earth’s core by the iron. Deuterium, the heavy hydrogen isotope, remained in the magma, which cooled to form the Earth’s mantle. Continuing impacts brought more water and mass to Earth, until it reached the mass it is today.

The key point in this new model is that hydrogen in the Earth’s core is different than hydrogen in the mantle and in the oceans. Core water has much less deuterium. But what does it all mean?

The new model allowed the authors to estimate the amounts of water that came from asteroid impacts as Earth grew and evolved, compared to how much came from the solar nebula when the Earth formed. Their conclusion? “For every 100 molecules of Earth’s water, there are one or two coming from solar nebula,” said Jun Wu, assistant research professor in the School of Molecular Sciences and School of Earth and Space Exploration at Arizona State University and co-lead author of the study.

Conclusion: It’s About More Than Just Earth’s Water

This study is a new perspective on planetary formation, development, and on how early life could flourish on a young planet.

“This model suggests that the inevitable formation of water would likely occur on any sufficiently large rocky exoplanets in extrasolar systems. I think this is very exciting.” – Jun Wu, School of Molecular Sciences and School of Earth and Space Exploration at ASU, co-lead author.

Previously, we thought that the only planets that could have life on them would have to be in a solar system rich with water-bearing asteroids and comets. But that may not be the case. In other solar systems, not all Earth-like planets have access to asteroids loaded with water. The new study suggests any habitable exoplanets might have gotten water from the solar nebula in their system. Earth hides most of its water in its interior. Earth has roughly two ocean in its mantle, and 4 or 5 in its core. Exoplanets may be similar.

Artist’s impression of a massive asteroid belt in orbit around a star. Earth's water may not have all come from asteroids and comets, so maybe that's true for exoplanets. Credit: NASA-JPL / Caltech / T. Pyle (SSC)Artist’s impression of a massive asteroid belt in orbit around a star. Earth’s water may not have all come from asteroids and comets, so maybe that’s true for exoplanets. Credit: NASA-JPL / Caltech / T. Pyle (SSC)

“This model suggests that the inevitable formation of water would likely occur on any sufficiently large rocky exoplanets in extrasolar systems,” Wu said. “I think this is very exciting.”

There’s one cautionary point in this new model though, and that involves the hydrogen fractionation. It’s not well-understood how the deuterium-to-hydrogen ratio changes when the element dissolves in iron, which is at the center of this new model. It had to be estimated in this new study.

Overall, the new study fits in well with other research into Earth’s water. Once more work is done on hydrogen fractionation, the new model can be tested more rigorously.

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TOPICS: Astronomy; Science
KEYWORDS: deuterium; earth; hydrogen; louisafrank; louisbfrank; louisfrank; patrickhuyghe; smallcomets; thegreatflood; thewatersabove; water; yec; youngearth; youngearthcosmology
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To: erkelly

Methane, carbon dioxide, water vapor and ammonia contain all the ingredients necessary to create an atmosphere of some 80% nitrogen, about 20% oxygen, and a smattering of other elements and other gaseous compounds.

All it takes is the presence of some means of converting the combined form of oxygen into a free molecule of diatomic oxygen, and breaking down the carbon dioxide. This process of breaking oxygen free and taking up carbon dioxide has to be on a long-term sustainable process with a renewable and unending source of energy to keep the process going, of which this planet is blessed with having available.

Once the oxygen is free, it reacts with the ammonia to form water molecules and diatomic nitrogen molecules, a process that had to go on a long time to reach the levels now known in earth’s atmosphere.

Now, there is an awfully large quantity of water on the earth, but since hydrogen is by far the most plentiful element in the Universe, and oxygen is the second most reactive element, the formation of water was almost a certainty. Given conditions of temperature, pressure and time, much of this water was already in the elements that made up the primordial planet earth, and as the planet cooled, through radiation, and contracted, expelling considerable amounts of gaseous material from the interior, the total amount of liquid water continued to increase. We did not have to wait for gaseous comets to strike earth, most of its water supply was already here, but as water vapor, or locked up in mineral compounds.


21 posted on 11/10/2018 11:41:42 AM PST by alloysteel (In my defense, I was left unsupervised.)
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To: LibWhacker

Not all the Earth’s Water Came From Comets

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22 posted on 11/10/2018 11:46:34 AM PST by ETL (Obama-Hillary, REAL Russia collusion! Uranium-One Deal, Missile Defense, Iran Deal, Nukes: Click ETL)
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To: ETL

Yugo First!

How many brazilian tons of HtwoOh are there on planet Earth?
Liquid and Ice in both poles and adsorbed on all the water tables in all the land areas?

Just how many comets and asteroids would it take
If they all carried water in a lake?

Rather, all the H2 found plenty of O as the planet cooled and condensed.
Much simpler explanation.


23 posted on 11/10/2018 12:05:19 PM PST by GRRRRR (Make America Greater Than Ever Before!)
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To: LibWhacker; A. Patriot; AndrewC; antonia; aristotleman; Art in Idaho; Bellflower; Boogieman; ...
The entire premise of this article fails due to the fact that the accretion model of planetary formation doesn’t work. Every system modeled using what we know using gravity and physics breaks down when collisions break the protocol bodies apart with greater and greater force than gravity, a very weak force in comparison to the force of the collisions’ velocities, until it can reach a threshold size, in addition, every single asteroid and comet we’ve visited or flown by with space probes has been discovered, contrary to predictions of orthodox gravity cosmologists and cometary scientists, to have actually been bone dry, showing far less than 1% of the water and ice expected to be found, even to the extent that tethering ice anchors planned to secure a space probe lander to Comet 67P Churyumov–Gerasimenko failed completely when the lander encountered solid rock instead of ice and bounced seven times before finally coming to rest. Similarly an ice drill on the lander probe failed when it could not penetrate the surface because the surface was not the expected "dirty snowball mix" of ice and other junk, but was instead solid rock.

The plasma/electric Universe cosmologists had predicted everything the probes would encounter. The water seen in cometary comae and tails is actually an electrical phenomena created ad Hoch from hydroxyl radicals (OH) electrically machined from the surface of comets due to electron discharging from a huge electrical charge differential encountering the the sun’s different charge. These Hydroxyl Radical encounter ionized Hydrogen in the solar wind (a charged plasma) which enter glow discharge mode, forming the coma and tail away from the sun, and form brand new H2O, water. In the Deep Impact experiment, where NASA hit Comet Tempel 1 with a 667 pound solid copper probe about the size of a washing machine at meteor speeds, the spectroscopic analysis showed the "release" of chemically pure water in a cone from the impact point that was less than 5° of arc from parallel to the incoming track of the probe before it hit, although ejecta and other debris from the impact spread over a 190° of arc, which contained no water. The lead scientist of the project said that only in the 5°of arc was any water at all found and that was where the highest energy and highest levels of OH was also found. SHe also said "it was almost as if the water was being created in that 5° cone." unaware that is exactly what was occurring as the Electric Universe Cosmologists predicted WOULD be observed.—Electric Universe PING!


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"Z" Pinch with Symmetrical Plasmids
seen in Hubble Telescope View of
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Stars are created at the pinch,
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24 posted on 11/10/2018 12:15:12 PM PST by Swordmaker (My pistol self-identifies as an iPad, so you must accept it in gun-free zones, you hoplaphobe bigo)
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To: LibWhacker

Who said that it did? Can’t they come up with an explanation that doesn’t involve non-terrestrial bodies?


25 posted on 11/10/2018 12:38:49 PM PST by I want the USA back (It's Ok To Be White. White Lives Matter. White Guilt is Socially Constructed)
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To: LibWhacker
Or...In the beginning God created....

And the rest is history.

26 posted on 11/10/2018 12:50:55 PM PST by ealgeone (SCRIPTURE DOES NOT CHANGE!)
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To: Swordmaker
"...an ice drill on the lander probe failed when it could not penetrate the surface because the surface was not the expected "dirty snowball mix" of ice and other junk, but was instead solid rock."

After that stunning falsification of the 'dirty snowball' theory, the lander team scientists got up at their press conference and attempted to explain it away by claiming that comets really are balls of dirty ice, but they appear to be surrounded by shells of rocky material.

Amazing. Can they explain how such objects could even be formed?

When their theories fail to predict real world observations, mainstream cosmologists never seem to question the validity of the theories themselves. They just patch them over with ever more ludicrous theoretical explanations.

27 posted on 11/10/2018 12:56:18 PM PST by Windflier (Pitchforks and torches ripen on the vine. Left too long, they become black rifles.)
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To: fso301
I don’t see how either theory explains the water/ice elswhere in the solar system such as on Jupiter’s moons Europa and Ganymede.

Whoops.

Give 'em a minute, and they'll cook up some ad hoc theory to explain that too.

28 posted on 11/10/2018 1:14:55 PM PST by Windflier (Pitchforks and torches ripen on the vine. Left too long, they become black rifles.)
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To: Windflier

Give ‘em a minute, and they’ll cook up some ad hoc theory to explain that too.

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Easy peasy. Space Fairies and their Bucket Brigade.


29 posted on 11/10/2018 1:15:52 PM PST by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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To: Vaquero
Comets consist of heavy water. Icy asteroids are more like regular H2O.

Um....maybe not. The last couple of missions to comets discovered them to be solid rock.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3704759/posts?page=24#24

30 posted on 11/10/2018 1:21:09 PM PST by Windflier (Pitchforks and torches ripen on the vine. Left too long, they become black rifles.)
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To: Olog-hai
...the planet’s outer core is liquid iron and nickel, but the inner core is solid; but the temperatures down there are as hot as the sun’s surface.

That's the theory, anyway. Until we have the technology to make real world observations of the interior cores of planets, we can only hypothesize about their structure.

31 posted on 11/10/2018 1:32:20 PM PST by Windflier (Pitchforks and torches ripen on the vine. Left too long, they become black rifles.)
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To: LibWhacker

Not all the Earth’s Water Came From Comets

And why the Heck NOT?

Kuiper told us about this vast rim of primordial debris encircling our solar system.

Heck, it was named after him.

It’s in the textbooks.


32 posted on 11/10/2018 1:43:31 PM PST by Zeneta
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To: Zeneta
Kuiper told us about this vast rim of primordial debris encircling our solar system. Heck, it was named after him. It’s in the textbooks.

Settled Science! ;-)

The Kuiper Belt is still just a theory. As far as I know, there are no real world observations that validate its existence.

33 posted on 11/10/2018 1:56:51 PM PST by Windflier (Pitchforks and torches ripen on the vine. Left too long, they become black rifles.)
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To: Windflier

Maybe, it’s a “Dark” Belt.


34 posted on 11/10/2018 1:59:41 PM PST by Zeneta
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To: Zeneta; Windflier

Was that Racist?


35 posted on 11/10/2018 2:00:56 PM PST by Zeneta
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To: LibWhacker

Didn’t Einstein say that the two most abundant elements in the universe were hydrogen and stupidity?

I know where the oxygen molecule came from.

5.56mm


36 posted on 11/10/2018 2:10:08 PM PST by M Kehoe (DRAIN THE SWAMP!)
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To: Zeneta
Maybe, it’s a “Dark” Belt.

Ha!

You can't touch it, you can't see it, you can't measure it, but TRUST US, it's really really there!

37 posted on 11/10/2018 2:28:13 PM PST by Windflier (Pitchforks and torches ripen on the vine. Left too long, they become black rifles.)
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To: Windflier

It’s really a sad state of affairs when there are so many people willing accept any BS they are told.

I don’t know if it’s that they are lazy or completely indifferent to seeking truth.

God help us all


38 posted on 11/10/2018 2:44:19 PM PST by Zeneta
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To: Windflier

Yeah once past the sun a few dozen times all the ice will have sublimated


39 posted on 11/10/2018 2:54:48 PM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you .)
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To: antidemoncrat

Amen!


40 posted on 11/10/2018 2:58:05 PM PST by Patriot777 ("When you see these things begin to happen, look up, for your redemption draweth nigh.")
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