Skip to comments.Gun experts, please analyze this video.
Posted on 12/02/2018 10:11:14 PM PST by MNDude
This is a video of a protestor in France. He is just standing there and he seems to get shot in the head and drops down.
Lots of speculation of tear gas to sniper shot. Your input Freepers please.
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Dropped to slow for a head shot.
Back and to the left...
Concur. Too slow, and too slow for a rubber bullet too.
He may have been shot, notice what apears to be a subequent tracer round coming from right to left. It was not likely a head shot, his head did not snap back or to the side. If he was shot, it was to the body, most likely the chest area.
The tracer round makes it appear to be a shooter off screen right
Maybe a ‘rubber’ bullet?
I watched the 2nd video and it appears the disruptors are wearing BRIGHT lime vests blocking the highway and it appeared the police were not clearing the highway but arresting drivers who ran into the road blockers.
AND it doesn’t appear the ‘bad guys’ are afraid of the police BUT they do outnumber them...
I was thinking it is nice and convenient the ‘bad guys’ are ID’ing themselves into perfect sniper targets?
I can see an area right above him, just big enough for a black helicopter. You can tell there is a black helicopter there because you can’t see it. If you could see it, then it wouldn’t be a black one, right?
You are very observant, glad you’re on our side spotting the aliens and time travelers we don’t notice!
My observations are:
1) Head shots tend to have kinetic energy that causes the body to fall at an angle and this is especially true in a rifle shot. The energy transfer causes the head to whip to the side and this creates a direction of fall. It is not the flip them over or blow them back 5 feet as hollyweird would have you believe. However, there is generally some sideways motion.
2) This video is from a far distance and only one angle. Other angles would need to be reviewed before anything more than a guess based on personal experience can be made.
3) This body fall does not display the expected behavior of a head shot. As others have stated, the fall is slow and I did not see enough lateral head movement to indicate a head shot.
So absent any additional information / footage, I would concur with either feinting or medical condition.
Full disclosure - I am not a ballistics or forensic expert.
“Back and to the left...”
I see what you did there... :)
If the French police were firing live rounds, they wouldn't just randomly shoot one person who is not a immediate threat, and then stop firing.
He wasn't moving for a few seconds before falling down. Getting shot hurts and pain and injury usually causes a person to respond. So he probably passed out, or got hit by a unseen non lethal round that knocked him out.
He feinted a faint?
About as good a guess,,,
As I've read here........
Whatever the yellow "tracer" was, it coincided with a launch of a tear gas canister, and was far too slow to have been a gunshot. I suspect a fragment of the tear gas canister.
It's become customary, in CQB, to use a suppressed .22 HP, for head shots.
Range is seldom an issue.
No noise, so bystanders aren't spooked and start becoming more difficult targets.
A .22 HP has enough inertia to punch a hole in and then rattle around inside the skull vault, without as much chance of continuing out the back.
It's a quick drop, since living brain tissue is about the consistency of Camembert cheese and the bullet is about a .5 inch wide after penetration...
Most of the time when people get shot, or punched really hard, or even faint, their knees buckle, and they fall forward, or just collapse straight down.
To me, it looks like he collapses backward, which is actually kind of rare.
Head shot. He crumpled, falling to his knees, onto his unnaturally bent lower legs, then backwards. I’ve stunned many animals on small farms, and they all fell that way.
Also, a small bore rifle round will sometimes zip through a head without taking much volume with it or noticeably moving the head (some rounds more than others). That applies especially to most military ammunition if fired from a slightly long distance with a 16” barrel or shorter. Sometimes not. Depends on various conditions. Either way, with a clean stun, the body simply falls straight down, as you saw in the video.
A gas canister (not HE), on the other hand, would expend all of its energy into the outer surface of a skull, causing a little noticeable movement of a head. A gas canister would also be very visible when bouncing off. I was a grenadier for a few years.
I just had a look at it with a good video package and zoomed it in. He was hit, just as some bright headlights passed by him, flooding the picture with light. As the headlights moved on, his head could be seen jerking backward, just before he fell. What appeared to be tracers afterwards were not gas grenades. They don’t look like that at night in urban terrain or otherwise.
By the way, there were photos of snipers at the riot. One of the photos was posted to FR last night. The sniper had a spotter with him. Haven’t seen the incident posted by any news site except one in Tehran so far.
Haven’t seen the incident posted by any news site except one in Tehran so far (referring to the incident mentioned in your post now).
After further consideration, the man could possibly have been hit in the forehead and stunned by a gas grenade, but that would be unlikely. Bullets are much more accurate for three-inch targets than grenades. And by the way, the man appeared to be trying to surrender before being hit. And he was standing very still (big plus for a sniper).
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