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History What-If: Could Custer Have Survived the Battle of Little Big Horn? [June 25, 1876]
nationalinterest.org ^ | June 16, 2019 | Staff

Posted on 06/25/2019 7:36:18 AM PDT by Red Badger

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To: Leaning Right
As for me, I’d have taken those guns, and just moved a little slower

Gatling guns are suited more for static defenses, not mobile assault as Custer's troopers were used to.

My first term paper was on the Battle of Little Bighorn

Gatlings were heavy, used on a platform, which was a wagon which traveling across uneven terrain would have been torturous and a drain on manpower(horsepower too). Carrying it by horse or man would be impractical as it would need disassibling and a disassembled gun is useless. Indians would soon realized it's action and attack from a different angle, anyway. It would have been of use in the trenches around Richmond(Civil War) but in the Great Plains it was used luggage
81 posted on 06/25/2019 10:58:21 AM PDT by RedMonqey (Welcome to Thunderdome... America 2019)
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To: shotgun; Red Badger
"What if Custer would have had close air support during the battle of the Little Big horn...???

The Indians would have brought up anti aircraft weapons to neutralize their effect. What? Indians can't 'time travel"? (grins!)
82 posted on 06/25/2019 11:01:56 AM PDT by RedMonqey (Welcome to Thunderdome... America 2019)
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To: DesertRhino

Custer minus his bravado...Gettysburg probably a union defeat,............ He wasn’t out numbered at Hanover and against the odds that he had at The Little Big Horn, which wasn’t a saber to saber battle. METT applied on 25 June of 76’. It wasn’t for the glory of the 7th, it was for the Glory of Custer hero of Gettyburg and Washita River.


83 posted on 06/25/2019 11:06:11 AM PDT by Bringbackthedraft
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84 posted on 06/25/2019 11:07:26 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: RedMonqey

The Indians would simply use their neutron bombs and EMP devices to annihilate the enemy..........


85 posted on 06/25/2019 11:10:15 AM PDT by Red Badger (We are headed for a Civil War. It won't be nice like the last one....................)
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To: RedMonqey

Interesting info there. Thanks.

And since - as you said - Gatlings would have been useless on the open plains, if I were Custer I would have reverted to my plan B: Stay in the fort with the Gatling Guns.

:)


86 posted on 06/25/2019 11:10:32 AM PDT by Leaning Right (I have already previewed or do not wish to preview this composition.)
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

The Indians said they were very brave and fought ferociously.


87 posted on 06/25/2019 11:11:52 AM PDT by laplata (The Left/Progressives have diseased minds.)
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

Yep, Fetterman taught them a lesson.


88 posted on 06/25/2019 11:13:22 AM PDT by laplata (The Left/Progressives have diseased minds.)
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To: BlueLancer

Best war movie ever made.

When Caine, given the order to fire, takes time to wipe his brow, “At 100 yards, volley fire, present . . . .”


89 posted on 06/25/2019 11:15:25 AM PDT by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually" (Hendrix))
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To: Leaning Right

From what I remember of Gatling guns, the US Quartermaster declined to buy them during the Civil War. The gun itself was about 800lbs, with a support wagon that was another 800lbs.

The round was .58 cal, so it wasn’t already provisioned by the quartermaster corps.

And, the gun itself wasn’t reliable.

What it was a decade+ later, I have no idea.


90 posted on 06/25/2019 11:28:50 AM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: Red Badger

But, but everyone assured him he was doing just fine and he should ignore the #NeverCuster crowd.


91 posted on 06/25/2019 11:29:47 AM PDT by itsahoot (Welcome to the New USA where Islam is a religion of peace and Christianity is a mental disorder.)
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To: Bringbackthedraft

Custer minus his bravado...Gettysburg probably a union defeat, Chamberlain held little round top ... Gettysburg probably a union defeat. Greene held culp’s hill ... Gettysburg probably a union defeat. Maybe the 90,000 men or so in the Union Army tearing cartridges and drawing ram rods is what gave the Union a victory at Gettysburg.


92 posted on 06/25/2019 11:30:17 AM PDT by Bull Snipe
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To: Don Corleone

Bourke, in his book ON THE BORDER WITH CROOK does mention that before LBH, the traders were selling guns to the Indians and when they got “tube fed repeating rifles, they became ‘surly.’”

When Gen Crook attacked one of the villages, there was so much ammo stored there that, when he burned the village, it actually exploded, sending tee-pee poles into the air like rockets.


93 posted on 06/25/2019 11:31:37 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: Red Badger

A dead US Soldier could easily be replaced.

A dead Indian Warrior meant one less person providing food for the tribe.

In a “Worst Case” situation, if Custer loses, there are two more large groups of troops coming.

If the Indians lose, it’s the end of their way of life and perhaps starvation.

There was never any doubt as to which side would win.

Custer, even in getting wiped out, was still part of the victorious side.


94 posted on 06/25/2019 11:34:08 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Wasn’t Thomas Nast doing political cartoons at the time showing how ill-equipped the Army was compared to the Indians. I seem to remember cartoons with a skeleton (or skeletons) representing the Army marching to protect cowering settlers. Usually the Army skeleton is armed with a Civil War type rifled musket with bayonet.


95 posted on 06/25/2019 11:38:57 AM PDT by Reily
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To: Reily

That would be Ranald Mackenzie, who defeated the Comanches and is forgotten today, even though there was a TV show about him in the early 1960s, Mackenzie’s Raiders. He didn’t get killed by the Indians.


96 posted on 06/25/2019 11:39:02 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Yes that’s him!
Yes very astute soldier.


97 posted on 06/25/2019 11:40:24 AM PDT by Reily
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mackenzie’s_Raiders


98 posted on 06/25/2019 11:41:44 AM PDT by Reily
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

you can get the dvd of the series from Amazon.


99 posted on 06/25/2019 11:43:07 AM PDT by Reily
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To: Reily

I believe this is the Nast cartoon you are looking for.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/lowres.cartoonstock.com/military-us_army-defense-army-skeleton-settler-csl0758_low.jpg


100 posted on 06/25/2019 11:44:33 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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