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Let's Face It: Net Zero Is Dead In The Water
Manhattan Contrarian ^ | 30 Jan, 2023 | Francis Menton

Posted on 01/31/2023 4:39:09 AM PST by MtnClimber

The headline comes today from Dr. Benny Peiser’s newsletter for the Global Warming Policy Foundation’s New Zero Watch project. (If you don’t subscribe to this newsletter, you should. Go to this link to sign up. As with MC, there is no charge.) This latest newsletter contains a roundup of articles from just the last couple of days reporting on the ongoing disaster of the Net Zero fantasy. In this post, I’ll just cover some of the highlights.

But first, can somebody please let President Biden in on this news, or at least some of it? Even as the impossible dream of a wind/solar-powered economy collapses everywhere it is tried, the U.S. federal government blindly pushes forward with hundreds of billions of dollars of taxpayer funds to subsidize wind and solar generation and battery storage. It would be bad enough if those huge sums were merely wasted. But in fact, they will not just be wasted, but will also contribute to vast destruction of our functioning and inexpensive energy infrastructure, and they threaten to leave people impoverished and freezing in the dark. A government-wide crusade throughout the federal bureaucracy uses every regulatory trick in the book to hinder, hamper, and suppress the fossil fuel energy that actually keeps the heat running and the lights on. The world has gone completely mad.

With that, here is a sampling from today’s newsletter:

-From Reuters, today: “India to use emergency law to maximise coal power output.” With a population about double the U.S. and Europe combined, and continuing to grow while China is shrinking, India is Exhibit A among developing countries thumbing their noses at Net Zero nonsense. In this most recent news, it seems that some of India’s coal power plants using imported coal have been running at less than full capacity due to competition from other plants using cheaper domestic coal. That’s not OK with the Indian government, which wants all of its coal plants to run flat out in the upcoming peak demand summer season. An emergency law will be invoked to be sure that this occurs: “India plans to use an emergency law next month to force power plants that run on imported coal to maximise output, two government sources told Reuters on Monday, in preparation for expected record consumption this summer. . . . Federal power ministry officials will work with those involved in debt restructuring of financially stressed power plants to make them functional. . . .” That right there will likely wipe out any trivial decreases in emissions that the nut cases in California and New York may be able to achieve this year by impoverishing their citizens.

-Today’s Daily Telegraph reports that the annual BP Energy Outlook has just been published. The Telegraph notes a key takeaway: BP warns that no amount of investment in the intermittent renewables is going to eliminate the need for ongoing investment in fossil fuel production, at least within the 30 year time horizon of the Report. From the Telegraph: “Investment in oil and gas production will be needed for the next three decades if the world is to avoid more shortages and price swings, BP has warned.” Looking at the BP Report itself, that warning is surely there — along with plenty of fantasy about global carbon emissions suddenly turning around and starting to decrease any minute now. A chart from the “Overview” section shows past and projected future global carbon emissions from energy production: The gist is that over the last 20 years of strident and coercive government efforts to decrease use of fossil fuels, their use has only increased and emissions have only gone up (with a couple of tiny blips). But starting next year that’s all going to suddenly turn around. Sure!

-From a piece by Irwin Stelzer in the Sunday Times, January 29, “John Kerry and Al Gore know their beloved Paris is no more.” Excerpt: “They might not admit it, but they know their beloved Paris is no more. Kerry knows most corporations have no idea how to fulfil the pledges made by some 200 nations in the city's 2015 agreement on climate change. . . . Covid relief, the needs of Ukraine, and the unrelenting demands of the left for more social spending . . . No policy could survive all this, and climate policy surely has not.”

-And from yesterday’s Telegraph, “Britain's green economy in a nutshell: Wind farms could be paid more to switch off than to generate power.” Here we learn about the ridiculous intermittent renewable energy trap into which the UK has backed itself. While on calm days it scrambles to avoid blackouts, it has also overbuilt its wind facilities to the point where on many windy days it has excess electricity that must be curtailed. Under the subsidy contracts that the government geniuses have signed with some of the wind developers, the ratepayers must pay for power at market prices even when it is curtailed — the developers are paid not to produce. “A lack of grid storage and transmission infrastructure means that the UK is regularly producing more electricity from wind than it can use. At particularly windy times, the National Grid pays producers to switch off rather than overload the local system, with the costs passed on to household energy bills. Producers offer the price at which they are willing to switch off, which is normally around the market rate for electricity, currently at record highs because of the energy crisis. . . . By switching off, producers may therefore be able to make rates well above their fixed prices.” Yet the politicians are so clueless that they continue to build more wind and solar facilities, thinking that if they only build enough, Net Zero is around the corner.

There are thousands of data points out there to demonstrate that Net Zero is not happening now and is never going to happen. You could put together a collection of these every day if you want. Are our politicians — and voters — ever going to catch on?


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Science; Society
KEYWORDS: climate; emissions; energy; greenenergy; greenpseudoenergy; nottherewhenneeded; scam
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1 posted on 01/31/2023 4:39:09 AM PST by MtnClimber
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To: MtnClimber

I bet that Owl Gore has his feathers ruffled.


2 posted on 01/31/2023 4:39:22 AM PST by MtnClimber (For photos of Colorado scenery and wildlife, click on my screen name for my FR home page.)
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To: MtnClimber
[Let's Face It: Net Zero Is Dead In The Water]

NOW you've done it!!


3 posted on 01/31/2023 4:44:55 AM PST by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold ......)
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To: MtnClimber
I remember NetZero, the free dial-up internet service.


4 posted on 01/31/2023 5:01:31 AM PST by Blue Highway
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To: MtnClimber
I agree wholeheartedly with the premise of the article and that "net zero" isn't attainable. Especially when you consider that much of the energy they call "clean" isn't really clean. All governments should cease trying to force solar and wind as replacements of fossil fuels. They should also stop all tax incentives and such.

But I respectfully disagree with the statement: "Even as the impossible dream of a wind/solar-powered economy collapses everywhere it is tried...". Decentralized solar (meaning the land owner or homeowner implements solar for himself) can work well if you're in a good situation for it. Especially if you don't define success as being totally dependent on it (I'm not off-grid) but as preventing you from having to buy most of the power you need for your family.

5 posted on 01/31/2023 5:07:31 AM PST by Tell It Right (1st Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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To: MtnClimber

The Global Elites were always planning on achieving Net Zero on the backs of the Poor.

3 Billion people across the planet SUFFER from a lack of energy. Many have to drag home a branch or gather dried animal dung if they want to eat cooked food.

If Davos has their way, that will soon be 4 Billion.


6 posted on 01/31/2023 5:08:14 AM PST by MMusson
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To: MtnClimber

the netzero is referring to individual liberty


7 posted on 01/31/2023 5:08:34 AM PST by joshua c (to disrupt the system, we must disrupt our lives, cut the cable tv)
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To: Tell It Right

I watched a video of using water reservoirs as a “battery” to be emptied in peak demand of electricity with the water driving a generator to produce electricity. In off peak times time the water would be pumped back into the reservoir. All this with a 20% loss of potential energy on each cycle. So my question is where does the 20% come from to keep this water battery cycling.


8 posted on 01/31/2023 5:19:41 AM PST by Lockbox (politicians, they all seemed like game show hosts to me.... Sting)
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To: Lockbox

You overbuild the generation side of things.

It’s still a pipe dream for taking us to a total wind and solar future. No was are you ever going to be able to build sufficient reservoir capacity to cover for a string of cloudy and windless days.

You can run modern civilization on wind and solar.


9 posted on 01/31/2023 5:28:04 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Lockbox

The pumped storage is a mechanism for using electricity generated at night and off peak hours to pump water up to a resevoir. During peak hours, the water can be released back to the river where the hydroelectric generators produce electricity.

Nuclear generators can’t be throttled so pumped storage along with a nuclear plant is an ideal solution.

A good example of success are the Sequoyah Nuclear Plant, the Racoon Mountain Pumped Storage facility and the Nickajack Dam.


10 posted on 01/31/2023 5:29:04 AM PST by bert ( (KWE. NP. N.C. +12) Juneteenth is inequality day )
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To: MtnClimber

“It” may well be dead but the ginormous amount of money(tax dollars) “they” are willing to toss down the drain to perpetuate the lie is staggering and that will continue. Too much money to be made on this lie. Sort of like the MIL/INDUS complex making money on the yuke debacle.


11 posted on 01/31/2023 5:36:00 AM PST by rktman (Destroy America from within? Check! WTH? Enlisted USN 1967 to end up with this? 😕)
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To: Tell It Right

The cost to homeowners to install solar is rather prohibitive for most. Not only would we have to buy all the equipment and the installation but we would be making those payments for several years. I read it is estimated to take 20-25 years for solar to actually pay for itself. If you can afford it, great! It’s like buying an EV. Couldn’t afford it and having to install a charging station is pricey.


12 posted on 01/31/2023 5:37:05 AM PST by JoJo354 (We need to get to work, Conservatives!)
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To: MtnClimber

it doesn’t matter if it isn’t obtainable, with these people it is a) their religion and b) the focus of their policy. So we will all have to live with the consequences of their religious stupidity until they are thrown out of the positions of power. Just like the reasons we have to get rid of ICE while being forced to get EVs. There is no reason we have to get rid of “fossil” fuels. CO2 is plant food and at atmospheric levels so small they cannot change the the temperature of the planet, H2O is the greatest influencer of our temperature, that and that nuclear fusion reactor a mere 93 million miles (on average) from us.


13 posted on 01/31/2023 5:39:11 AM PST by Dad was my hero (Liberalism, the belief that you can pick up a turd by its clean end.)
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To: MtnClimber
Net Zero Is Dead In The Water

Dead algae on the ocean floor is exactly how net-zero can be achieved economically. Trace amounts of iron fertilizer in the right locations will cause very large amounts of CO2 to be consumed.

14 posted on 01/31/2023 5:44:39 AM PST by Reeses
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To: bert

Except when the powers to be do not want nuclear power plants like say.... Germany.


15 posted on 01/31/2023 5:51:06 AM PST by Lockbox (politicians, they all seemed like game show hosts to me.... Sting)
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To: Lockbox
So my question is where does the 20% come from to keep this water battery cycling.

I've seen a loss of 3% to 7% with charging and pulling from my home solar batteries. I have no doubt that temperature is a factor. I agree with you that a 20% loss of any energy storage is ridiculous. But as far as where that extra energy comes from, it comes from the excess energy on days you have more energy coming in than you consume. That's not a perfect solution. But as far as making this freedom loving American a little less dependent on things the government overregulates (like energy), it's working for me.

16 posted on 01/31/2023 5:54:35 AM PST by Tell It Right (1st Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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To: MtnClimber

Yeah, but, don’t those rabid pearl clutching greenies look morally superior anyway?!?


17 posted on 01/31/2023 5:56:54 AM PST by Blue Collar Christian (I'm a nationalist. I'm white. How does that make me racist?)
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To: FreedomPoster

“...a total wind and solar future...”

An opium pipe dream. Never going to happen.


18 posted on 01/31/2023 6:11:00 AM PST by Carriage Hill (A society grows great when old men plant trees, in whose shade they know they will never sit.)
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To: Tell It Right

Even if I didn’t mind my house looking like a commercial building I don’t have enough roof with southern exposure for even one solar panel. And it’s a 2,400 SF home.


19 posted on 01/31/2023 6:12:29 AM PST by SaxxonWoods (The only way to secure your own future is to create it yourself. 111 is the key.)
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To: Blue Collar Christian

Isn’t the moral superiority the whole point? Come on over, FRiend, in your electric car powered by slave labor batteries, and we’ll chat about it some more. I’ve got some cricket flour and I’ll whip us up some cookies.


20 posted on 01/31/2023 6:28:34 AM PST by j.havenfarm (22 years on Free Republic, 12/10/22! more then 6500 replies and still not shutting up!)
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