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South Africa's Slow, Inevitable March Towards Collapse
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Posted on 04/11/2024 3:38:22 PM PDT by Eleutheria5

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To: Eleutheria5

It is my understanding that SA is a nuclear power. Who gets the bombs?


21 posted on 04/11/2024 5:03:41 PM PDT by PTBAA
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To: Eleutheria5
The Khosa were NOT ever "reasonable"!

They HATED the Zulus, because they were once their slaves ( the Boers did NOT own slaves! ), though Mandela and Mbeki were both very well educated, from wealthy families, and knew how to give the appearance of being "reasonable".

22 posted on 04/11/2024 5:07:17 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Forward the Light Brigade

That’ll NEVER happen!


23 posted on 04/11/2024 5:08:22 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: butlerweave
Not really; if THAT were so, than more whites would still be in the jobs they once had.

This has nothing at to do with DEI and NEVER has.

24 posted on 04/11/2024 5:10:20 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: nopardons

Note the qualifier. “Relatively reasonable”. In contradistinction to the Zulu, who are regimented and have a hive mind. Mandella, communist that he was, still saw the necessity of creating a black middle class to facilitate the transition from Apartheid to an integrated polity. Unfortunately, he died, and afterwards so did his efforts.

The Boers did not own slaves after the Great Trek, because in the Grahamstown Manifesto they declared that they would no longer own them, but would make such laws as were necessary between masters and servants. Arguably, the colored and black servants that they kept on the veldt were more like serfs than actual slaves. Many of them perished in the concentration camps that Lord Kitchener set up, along with the “memsahibs and “little baas” to whom they were connected.


25 posted on 04/11/2024 5:18:09 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (Every Goliath has his David. Child in need of a CGM system. https://gofund.me/6452dbf1. )
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To: jimwatx

They are savages by nature.


26 posted on 04/11/2024 5:20:31 PM PDT by Noumenon (You're not voting your way out of this. KTF)
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To: Forward the Light Brigade

More likely it would be a combination of a Muslim Chaka and a Robespierre.


27 posted on 04/11/2024 5:23:18 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (Every Goliath has his David. Child in need of a CGM system. https://gofund.me/6452dbf1. )
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To: Forward the Light Brigade

” SA needs a Black Napoleon to come in and save the day.”


Napoleon ? No chance.

Maybe they can manage an Idi Amin.


28 posted on 04/11/2024 5:26:03 PM PDT by Reverend Wright ( Everything touched by progressives, dies !)
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To: Eleutheria5
There already WAS a black middle class, as well as an upper class ( which Mandela was one of ) long before "Saint Nelson" came to power! And many of those were NOT well pleases after not quite 2 years into his "reign"! His supposed "efforts", on behalf of blacks, NEVER were actually put into place...IF there actually were any.

Yes, I do know all about the Brits invention of CONCENTRATION CAMPS, which were as brutal as one can imagine.

OTOH, in more modern times, blacks who worked for whites were NOT normally ( I don't know about EVERYBODY, but DO KNOW about many! ) treated quite well.

29 posted on 04/11/2024 5:38:13 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: nopardons

The Brits didn’t invent concentration camps. That distinction goes to the Spanish in Cuba.


30 posted on 04/11/2024 5:57:21 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (Every Goliath has his David. Child in need of a CGM system. https://gofund.me/6452dbf1. )
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To: nopardons

And there was a middle class, but not a substantial one. It grew as the Nationalists slowly yielded to the inevitable and the strictures of Apartheid declined, preparing the way for Mandela’s ascension to power, I believe with his cooperation. But of course his efforts had to fail in the end. Communism is communism. To his credit, he didn’t commit any massacres of whites or dissident blacks. Now that he’s long gone, it’s started. Again: Relatively reasonable.


31 posted on 04/11/2024 6:03:15 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (Every Goliath has his David. Child in need of a CGM system. https://gofund.me/6452dbf1. )
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To: Eleutheria5

The Afrikaners in RSA and many history books claim otherwise!


32 posted on 04/11/2024 6:08:27 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Eleutheria5
It WAS "substantial", when you discount the ILLEGALS that had managed to get into RSA, no matter the efforts of the Army at the borders,as well as the number of low IQers of blacks. You can't make a silk purse out of....

Want an example?

The whole SOWETO UPRISING, was basically done by a group of slum dwelling blacks, who were AGAINST having their children taught Afrikaans AND more importantly ENGLISH! Neither did they want their own children to actually be well educated. They wanted to keep their own tribal language and that was that, so a math teacher was railroaded out and the riots began in earnest.

So...........HOW can the poor raise themselves up, when they are unable to read and speak languages that are used in business, locally, and re English, WORLD WIDE?

The ANC was formed by USSR loving COMMIE whites, most of whom, were later murdered by the blacks whom they had mentored. It was not exactly like, but still a COMMIE pattern, of the once leaders being murdered by those whom they trained.

You're viewing this from the outside. Did YOU or anyone you know ever had a long personal relationship with Mandela?

Did you live in RSA before, during, and after his presidency?

And "relatively reasonable" is not a fitting term for him at all; it's a better fit for Mbeki, actually,

33 posted on 04/11/2024 6:22:34 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Eleutheria5

The ANC will be hiring Jimmy Barbecue from haiti.


34 posted on 04/11/2024 6:23:28 PM PDT by dynachrome ("God grant I don't outlive my wits.")
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To: dynachrome
Why would they?

They have more than enough murderous thugs of their own!

35 posted on 04/11/2024 6:29:13 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Eleutheria5
I've now watched most of the video and right off the bat, what's being completely LEFT OUT, is what is MOST important!

When Mandela, the COUGH/CHOKE "relatively reasonable" COUGH/CHOKE took over, the police departments threw out the vast majority of whites. He also gave high positions, to top ANC members and their family members, but they were NO SHOW JOBS, kicked out some whites, and the remaining whites had to do their own work, as well as the jobs of the NO SHOWS and/or incompetent blacks who either never came to work, or once there, did NOTHING!

But yes, that "grew" the middle and upper middle classes of blacks. YIIIIPPPPPPPPEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

And things have gone from bad to worse to HORRIFIC ever since then.

36 posted on 04/11/2024 6:45:27 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Eleutheria5

Crosses for farmers murdered in South Africa. Africa, and South Africa in particular, was a target of the Soviets. The crumbling economy is the legacy of Communism.

With over a billion people Africa remains a Continent where Civilization goes to die. Plagued by both a Communist and Islamic past the lesson should be don't run things like it does.

37 posted on 04/11/2024 7:19:05 PM PDT by Nateman (If the Pedo Profit Mad Moe (pig pee upon him!) was not the Antichrist then he comes in second.)
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To: PTBAA

South Africa was once a nuclear power in the sense that it developed and possessed nuclear weapons. It is the only country to have voluntarily dismantled its entire nuclear weapons program. South Africa built six nuclear weapons in the 1980s but dismantled them in the early 1990s before joining the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons (NPT) as a non-nuclear weapon state. Since then, South Africa has not maintained a nuclear weapons program but does maintain a significant nuclear energy infrastructure for peaceful purposes.


38 posted on 04/11/2024 7:53:00 PM PDT by jroehl (And how we burned in the camps later - Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn - The Gulag Archipelago)
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To: nopardons
The original meaning of Boer is farmer--it's the Dutch word for farmer (cognate with German Bauer and English boor). Of course that doesn't mean that everyone called a Boer now actually is a farmer. A sizeable portion of the whites in South Africa are English-speaking rather than Afrikaans-speaking (and I think the so-called Coloureds typically speak Afrikaans, but could be wrong about that).

Met a young woman from South Africa (English, not Afrikaner) last fall who was in the US as an au pair but was planning to return to South Africa in February 2024 to go to college--did not appear to be afraid to go back.

39 posted on 04/11/2024 7:56:16 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Verginius Rufus
Yes, I do know what BOER mean; however, in RSA, it IS interchangeable with AFRIKANER, referring to the families descended from the first settlers!

ALL students, in RSA are taught English in school.

Some are more proficient in speaking it than others, but they ALL understand the English written word. Many blacks and coloureds can speak Afrikaans as well; just as many whites ( though now I think it's less ) know at least one tribal language.

And Afrikaans was also taught in schools, as well!

The original settlers were Dutch and Hugennot French, who had fled to the Netherlands, during the great PROTESTANT MASSACRE in France. Their last names were Dutchified, when they were living there, so you WILL find some strange spellings of last names, as a result of that.

Some diehard RSAers still, sadly, haven't woken up to the fact that staying there is not ever going to get better.

OTOH...it is virtually IMPOSSIBLE to leave RSA and depending upon her Visa, she probably could NOT stay here, for many different reasons!

If she was going back to attend college, I wonder which one she's going to. A few years ago, black college students there RIOTED and attacked a lot of the white kids; it was disgusting and egged on by racism towards white. Which was really ridiculous, since the blacks were there too and NOT ill treated by ANYONE.

40 posted on 04/11/2024 8:16:03 PM PDT by nopardons
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