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South Africa's Slow, Inevitable March Towards Collapse
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Posted on 04/11/2024 3:38:22 PM PDT by Eleutheria5

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To: magooey

I’ll ask, but I’m not sure that they might know; though I have several people to contact. It might take a while......


61 posted on 04/12/2024 3:01:38 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: 1Old Pro

Some of the counties nearby are trying to build themselves up. There are even some Boers moving from South Africa to the next door neighbor countries, buying land and doing their farming. Given their treatment in South Africa you can hardly blame them. Also there has been a significant increase in the middle class among the locals over the past 20 years.


62 posted on 04/12/2024 3:04:17 PM PDT by magooey (The Mandate of Heaven resides in the hearts of men.)
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To: nopardons

More books by Churchill to be on the lookout for! Gr8! I love books by or about Churchill, and his son and grandson after him collaborated on a few titles that I have.

I’ve got Winston S. Churchill, Youth and also Young Statesman, by Randolph Churchill, with all sorts of photos and documents.
The published notes of his physician Lord Moran.
Winston Churchill by Virginia Cowles.
and lastly, The Six Day War by Randolph S. and Winston S. Churchill (grandson).
I’d love to get my hands on more, but funds are limited. Just moved to Haifa at great expense.

One of the great things about life in Israel is that there are dumpsters set aside for discarded books, and if you dive into them, you can find some treasures. That’s where I got all of those, and many more tomes, Talmudic, Biblical, mystical, secular and just plain oddball. But I always keep my eyes out for books in Yiddish (love the language), or on Churchill. Those are my top two.


63 posted on 04/13/2024 11:04:59 AM PDT by Eleutheria5 (Every Goliath has his David. Child in need of a CGM system. https://gofund.me/6452dbf1. )
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I too am a HUGE Winston Churchill fan and have been one for many decades. The following are some more books which you may be interested in, that I have read.

This is WHY I love sharing book lists...we all may find books we then want to read! :-)

1)Marlborough: His Life and Times, by Winston Churchill

2)My Early Life, by Winston Churchill

3)Speaking For Themselves: The Personal Letters of Winston and Clementine Churchill, by Mary Soames

4)A Daughter's Tale: The Memoir of Winston and Clementine Churchill's Youngest Child, by Mary Soames

Have you read and or seen the movie made from Darkest Hour, by Anthony McCarten? I read the book loooooooooooooooong before the movie was made.

I have several other books that you also might like, but I think I may have overloaded you, already, by yesterday's and today's lists. And thus far, we have both read several several of the same books, that you have have listed, so I left them out of my lists.

If you care to, we can do lists to each other, in FRmail, about books on other topics, which we both might be interested in.

64 posted on 04/13/2024 1:34:42 PM PDT by nopardons
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Of course I’ve seen Darkest Hour, which was a very endearing portrait of the man, but he was never a bombastic speaker that I’ve heard, and I doubt that would have gone over well in the House of Commons. The football cheers would have been out of place. His “defend our island regardless of the costs” speech was delivered in a deadpan calm voice, which made it more powerful. I’ve heard the original.

By all means, do let’s continue to exchange books. Especially about and by Churchill. I have an Australian friend who has several of his multi-volumed histories, but he would never part with them.


65 posted on 04/13/2024 2:28:08 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (Every Goliath has his David. Child in need of a CGM system. https://gofund.me/6452dbf1. )
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The football cheers would have been out of place. His “defend our island regardless of the costs” speech was delivered in a deadpan calm voice, which made it more powerful. I’ve heard the original.

I thought the version that people heard of that speech was re-recorded by Churchill years later (frankly he sounded sloshed on it), because they didn't record the Parliament speeches.

66 posted on 04/13/2024 2:31:42 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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Might be. It would have had to have been done either while he was still in power before being voted out in 1944, and before he got paralyzed after his reelection in 1953. It would make sense that it was re-recorded for either the 1944 election season, or the 1953, sort of as a campaign ad before such things existed. Even at the time he made the actual speech, he might have been sloshed. He drank while he worked, and worked while he drank. He must have been sober when he painted.


67 posted on 04/13/2024 2:43:46 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (Every Goliath has his David. Child in need of a CGM system. https://gofund.me/6452dbf1. )
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I read the book, which is better than the movie, long before they made the movie. And yes, the movie stretches that speech somewhat.

The House of Commons has ALWAYS been somewhat ROWDY; just not quite that rowdy!

Oh good...I'm always happy to have a new "book buddy", with whom to exchange titles with and talk about books that we have both read!

Have you read books about Winston's mother, Jennie Jerome Churchill? She was a fascinating woman and an extremely intelligent one to boot.

Winston's son Randolph married an English woman ( who later on became quite famous, or infamous, depending on your political views ) whose bio is sort of interesting. Pamela later on went on to marry Avril Harriman, who was a governor of N.Y. State, a diplomat, and an ambassador.

Randolph and Pamela had a son, whom they named Winston.

Yes, I have read her bio/have that book and IF you want the title, just ask and I'll send it to you along with titles for Jennie Churchill.

68 posted on 04/13/2024 3:16:56 PM PDT by nopardons
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“ South Africa was brimming with potential. It had massive mineral wealth, it had a diversified economy, it had a large highly-educated workforce—as the continent rose, the world hoped and believed that South Africa could be the poster-child of the potential of African economic and human development. If the white and black nations could truly integrate into one…”

What nonsense.

If if if. If your aunt had balls she’d be your uncle.


69 posted on 04/13/2024 3:21:21 PM PDT by Jim Noble (Assez de mensonges et de phrases)
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Please tell me that Jomo Kenyatta’s Kenya is that poster child. He gave such a great speech fifty-some-odd years ago.


70 posted on 04/13/2024 3:34:27 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (Every Goliath has his David. Child in need of a CGM system. https://gofund.me/6452dbf1. )
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To: Eleutheria5

Port-au-Prince is the end state. Johannesburg, Nairobi, Camden, Memphis, Selma, are all getting there, just at different rates.


71 posted on 04/13/2024 5:01:06 PM PDT by Jim Noble (Assez de mensonges et de phrases)
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