Posted on 12/15/2003 7:16:16 PM PST by Kuksool
A coalition of evangelical Christians has successfully fended off a campaign by homosexual activists in one North Carolina school district.
Members of the Gay, Lesbian, and Straight Education Network (GLSEN) have been pressuring the Winston-Salem/Forsyth School Board to include "sexual orientation" and "gender identity" in the district's nondiscrimination policy. However, the board recently decided not to revise its policy.
Pastor Ron Baity of Berean Baptist Church in Winston-Salem led a coalition of Christians that opposed the pro-homosexual effort. He says for a long time homosexual activists, and especially the GLSEN crowd, have been coming to the school board meetings and pushing their agenda, while not a single church in the area came and spoke out against their movement.
When his group finally got organized to start attending the board meetings and making their voices heard, he says members of the board said "We've been wondering where the churches are at." But Baity says as a result of the coalition speaking out, things started to change immediately.
"It's been a real burst of spiritual energy for our people because they've been encouraged to see that if you do get involved, there is a possibility that you can make a change," the coalition leader notes. "It's amazing what you can accomplish if you get a group of people together of like mind and just approach the authorities," Baity says.
The pastor contends that the people pushing the homosexual agenda in America are in the minority, but he says, "they speak as if they are the majority -- and the majority of Bible-believing people need to rise up and get actively involved."
Baity believes Christians today are suffering the consequences of having been silent too long on important societal issues.
Your argument appears to be that since Jesus supposedly followed all the tenets of OT morality, that we must do so also in modern America
I wonder, little Jeremiah, do you eat shellfish?
Do you shave the corners of your beard?
Do you cover your head in church?
Would you force your daughter to marry the man who had raped her?
Would you stone an adulteress to death?
All these rules are mandated by OT law, aren't they?And don't respond that Jesus' sacrifice has freed us from the law, because you just argued that we have to follow the law because Jesus did.
It's up to you (O Wacky one) to show us how Jesus accepted same sex behavior as morally acceptable.
No, it's not
We are not discussing what rules will be followed in a Christian school, we are discussing the policy of a public school. Many people in public schools are not Christian, and even many Christians do not agree with you on the issue
Jesus did hang out with the above. But here you want to misdirect the discussion. For what did Jesus say to the Pharisees when they questioned him about with whom he ate?
Well?
Here, the synpotics tell us just what Jesus said in response. If you're not willing to click that link, I'll tell you what Jesus said. He said: It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. Yes, the sick. Jesus compared sinners to the sick, those who needed help, yet here you are apparently trying to say something else, contradicting what Jesus said.
Who do you think he favored?
The question is :would Jesus be for or against a policy of treating gay teenagers the same as other students?
I know what I believe the answer to that question to be
I wonder if Jesus Christ, who spent much of his time with the sick, the poor, prostitutes,criminals, drunkards and other outcasts, would take the same position?Jesus called the above sinners. Jesus spent much of his time with the above because he considered them sick and in need of a doctor. That's what you apparently want to ignore, and that's exactly what this boils down to. So go peddle the homosexual agenda somewhere else.
I notice you did not address any of the comments I made...I wonder why.
Another point: how are the "gay" teenagers being treated any differently from the normal teenagers? Are they made to wear pink triangles? Forced to listen to Madonna? Forced to wear lipstick or shave their heads? What is the different treatment that they are now recieving that you want them not to receive? You are operating on a false platform, solely to promote homosexuality. Why don't you be straightforward (no pun intended) instead of pretending that you know or care what Jesus or God says about anything?
Why not just say that you think same sex sodomy is the equivalent to marraige between a man and a woman and be done with it?
We know what God says about homosexuality. You think that Jesus would disobey the teachings of His Father?
So the Rev. Baity supports discrimination against gay students.
I wonder if Jesus Christ, who spent much of his time with the sick, the poor, prostitutes,criminals, drunkards and other outcasts, would take the same position?
JC had some political position and paid the price. Besides, homosexuality is a mental disorder Wacky Kat and Rev. Baity has guts to speak the truth..
Rome allowed conquered people to keep their Gods and their customs. So who did JC upset so much and why?
The Gay, Lesbian, and Straight Education Network (GLSEN) with their "sexual orientation" and "gender identity" policy would have never survived in this time period.
We know what God says about homosexuality. You think that Jesus would disobey the teachings of His Father?
Wackykat,
Expanding on what PNM posted.
John 14:10 states that the Father is in Jesus and Jesus is in the Father.
Scripture shows us that Jesus is one with the Father. Jesus is God. God wrote the OT. So Jesus wrote the OT.
So if you want to see where Jesus spoke about homosexuality, Read Lev 18:22 (for example).
Also, the entire NT is given by the inspiration of God. It is written by God using men as his writing instruments. So if you want to see where Jesus talked about homosexuality, read Romans 1:27 (for example).
Not knowing that Jesus is the author of the scriptures is an error in your education that hopefully we've cleared up here. Now lets move on to the error in your understanding.
There is no such thing as a 'gay' teenager. There are teenagers who are afflicted with Same-sex Attraction Disorder (SAD) (evidenced by the practice of homosexual behavior) but there are no teenagers who have homosexual behavior as an immutable characteristic. This behavior occurs as a result of mental disease caused by trauma and is totally curable.
So it is foolishness to talk of 'gay' teenagers as anyting other than teenagers. Jesus would treat these teenagers engaging in sinful behavior the same way he'd treat any other sinful behavior: "Go and sin no more"
No we were discussing how Jesus would treat people who practiced homosexual behavior. And you brought Jesus into the conversation so don't whine about it (it's unbecoming)
If people accept homosexuality as an acceptable practice then I am extremely doubtful that they are Christian. In order to follow Christ (which is what Christian means, follower of Christ) then you have to follow His teachings. Rejecting part of His teachings is rejecting Christ. The Word of God is inseparable from the word of God.
"We've been wondering where the churches are at."
:)
Shalom.
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